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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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That's when you laugh at them.
I think this is an actual alt-right saying.
The House in its current makeup is literally a lobbying organization and the enemy of the American people. I say that unironically and without hyperbole. On balance they are against our best interests.
whyamihere
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Maybe he misheard. Maybe it was "It's almost scary how he's alt-right"
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Where are they getting these votes from?
Unless this is political theater where they eventually come together at the end, where are they getting the 50 they need?
Also, I'm glad Trump is notably pushing this. If it's enacted, it will destroy his chances in 2020.
They already got 49 last time. All they need to do is get McCain on board, and they can pass it.
RustyNails
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While I think GCH bill's chances are better than Skinny, this reeks of trying to build fake ass momentum.
I suspect there's something in their polling that's freaking them out re: '17/'18. Base primarying them, not showing up in midterms, etc.
Randolph Freelander
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Vann R. Newkirk II @fivefifths 4h
It's wild that the rallying cry for Graham-Cassidy is basically "we have to pass this or else everyone will get coverage"
It's wild that the rallying cry for Graham-Cassidy is basically "we have to pass this or else everyone will get coverage"
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
More political ammunition for 2018 and 2020. Let them all be put on record.
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I feel like if Pence is trying to reach Manchin for a vote, then they don't have McCain or Rand locked down (yet).
I think Trump doing 'deals' with Democrats that are anathema to the GOP's agenda, specifically because he was pissed about how the GOP was unable to come together on healthcare, is also bolstering a lot of Republicans into getting this done just so they can get back in Trump's good graces. There's probably a fear that if they fail on healthcare a third time this year, then they'll end up pushing Trump even further in the Dems' direction.
kirblar said:
I think Trump doing 'deals' with Democrats that are anathema to the GOP's agenda, specifically because he was pissed about how the GOP was unable to come together on healthcare, is also bolstering a lot of Republicans into getting this done just so they can get back in Trump's good graces. There's probably a fear that if they fail on healthcare a third time this year, then they'll end up pushing Trump even further in the Dems' direction.
The horror
Randolph Freelander
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It's unthinkable!
BoboBrazil
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McCain will vote Yes to do his buddy Graham a solid. They are bff's.
I think they don't have Rand, Murkowski, and probably Heller.
Governors of Alaska and Nevada came out against it.
RustyNails
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Well Graham and McCain differed on Skinny.
Heller's name is on the bill. It's Graham-Cassidy-Heller-Johnson
BoboBrazil
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But that wasn't Graham's bill was it? This is.
We're in a bad position if we have to count on Rand. Then again, McCain was a surprise last time.
RustyNails
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No it wasn't. But I dont see how McCain will just shrug after talking about regular order.
Randolph Freelander
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There's like 0.000% chance Rand Paul is the third no vote. He's either supporting it or it's not even getting close to 50. He won't be the one to torpedo a repeal.
Rand is just a standard Republican who talks like he isn't. I don't know how people keep falling for his shit.
BoboBrazil
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I'm sure he will be deeply disturbed as he votes yes for it.
fredrancour
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Many years of empty blustering?
One day of hating McConnell and Trump doesn't outweigh that
Randolph Freelander
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"I want order, but my ultimate responsibility in this chamber is to kill poor people, and to make sick people not named McCain as poor as possible and then kill them, too."
Fenderputty
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McCain had no issues with the Skinny Repeal itself. So if he's consistent, his opinion of the overall bill won't matter if it's not given the proper process. It remains to be seen if he'll stay consistent. I'm hoping the military vet in him appreciates rule of law and tradition over being buddies with Graham.
And yes, the fact that they're calling Macnhin and Alaska means they're in a similar position to their last attempt as far as who's on board and isn't. I think McCain will be the deal breaker one way or the other here ... again.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Not a surprise considering how much money their states lose.
Heller cared about Sandoval's opinion right up until he didn't. And Portman hasn't given a shit about Kasich's opposition to any of these healthcare bills.
I really don't know about McCain, but I think a bipartisan letter of opposition from governors will help pressure him more in the no direction. He has already said he wants governors to be a part of health care talks (I know I know, McCain gonna McCain, but still).
Zukkoyaki said:
Moran may be on the fence but I don't really trust him not to get onboard in the end.
StopMakingSense
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Heller has long given up any hopes on being reelected in 2018 in exchange for a cushy yet-to-be-named lobbying job.
Futurevoid
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Shouldn't it be illegal to pass something this big without a proper CBO score or something?
Sure, but the Trump presidency has been a good stress test on what flaws there are from just having "traditions".
Edit: I'm trying to remember if it needs a CBO score though they can keep it hidden til the last minute.
Sadly I think the CBO requirement has just been Congressional tradition/rules, and wasn't ever made law.
aspiegamer
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So.... the new bill defunds planned parenthood again. That's been flagged in multiple past bills as needing 60 votes. Are Republicans just ignoring that requirement on all of this, or what? There were several 60 vote issues even with the skinny and no one ever mentioned them in debate or discussion, in congress or in the media.
nature boy
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Colins+Murkowski+Paul =DOA
Replace Paul with McCain to your desires
Mark Andrew
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Is Bernie working on this yet? Last time he delivered a lot of wins with the parliamentarian.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I see we're back to the "Senator what's-his-name was seen smiling" level of ace reporting.
Futurevoid
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They must have some type of scoring to pass under budget reconciliation rules. What they're trying to do is get the bill passed using CBO estimates on cost savings alone. Leaving out all of the major scoring components like coverage losses, etc.
The CBO has already come out and said that scoring the thing properly would take weeks. Hence why they are trying to fast track it. They know full well that once the CBO releases that 20+ million Americans will lose health coverage - they're back in the same shit heap boat where this whole thing started.
whyamihere
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I'm sure he will be. There are SO many Byrd issues here.
Not just a smile, a knowing smile!
Randolph Freelander
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It's time to ask what those smiles knew and when did they know it.
Futurevoid
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The importance of the House flipping in 2018 cannot be understated at this point.
If Republicans kept the House and Senate in 2018?
Yes, I would imagine we would have to go through this again in 2019.
BoogieWoogie
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If we don't win the House, we will.
If we win the House, it's basically over for another decade probably.
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