balladofwindfishes
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They could make one huge giga bill that does both
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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balladofwindfishes
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The weirdest part is that Aid has really good home nurse, hospice and nursing home care, while Care, the insurance for old people, doesn't.
Care is great, until you start actually getting issues old people get.
Care seems more geared towards moderately healthy 60-70 year olds, like my grandma. Once stuff like dementia creeps in, Aid doesn't really offer much, in my experience. My grandpa's home aid program has its problems, but at least he has that option with Aid. With Care, either my grandma took care of him on her own, or they wanted him in a home.
VendettaRed07
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If they can't get healthcare done on it's own, there is no way they will be able to attach it to tax reform. Itll make it 1000000 times more difficult
Fenderputty
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So is the 30th deadline only for healthcare or would the budget stuff get pushed to 2018? Like, if their window is closing, it should be closing for more than just healthcare, no?
He'll release that if his GOP support starts to slip and needs a boost.
Futurevoid
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A continuing resolution was passed and signed that extended the budget deadline to December. That was the bi-partisan agreement Chuck and Nancy worked out with Trump.
Also, the deadline for them to pass healthcare is Sept 29. The Senate is not in for the Jewish holiday on the 30th.
Fenderputty
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That explains it ... thanks
CrimzonSamurai
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Ah. Yikes. Like I said I only caught the last five minutes. I retract my previous statement.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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VendettaRed07
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That's funny, I have this TV.
Yeah it's fine. It's incredibly light. Like you can practically use it as a frisbee. But it's great for the weight, size, price, etc.
Some DACA protestors crashed a presser of hers angry that she's making deals with Trump instead of pushing comprehensive immigration reform.
Which I get! I think it will help to see if we actually get DACA legalized in time.
Pretty much. Hard to get upset at protestors who have the moral high ground and are arguing in good faith on behalf of their own marginalized group.
Making deals with Trump...to legalize DACA though...
The house would pass a dead pigeon covered in vomit if it had "repeals Obamacare" on it.
Yeah reform is what the end goal should be but are these people just willfully ignoring that the Dems aren't in power and there is no way in hell republicans are going to pass comprehensive immigration reform. Certainly not in a way that would help them. The more immediate task is DACA itself. If that isn't saved and fixed the people many of these protestors are fighting on behalf of won't be here. It's a good fortune that a deal on this could likely happen.
I will never understand those on the left going after the very people that are on their side and are actually making some progress in regard to the things they want. That makes no sense to me. If she and others weren't even paying attention to things and doing something completely different I could understand but that's not the case here.
They're right though. And she can introduce a clean bill.
I think she's doing the right thing, but I also think they are - that's the point of protest, to disrupt and make others listen.
Their position is that they don't want to trade increased enforcement and oppression of other undocumented immigrants for protecting Dreamers.
Since they are Dreamers, this seems like a pretty brave position for them to take.
Exactly. Its supremely shitty to criticize protesters for putting themselves at risk for what is a morally blameless position on behalf of a marginalized group.
VendettaRed07
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A deal with Trump to protect the dreamers will probably come with extra immigration enforcement that will deport their parents and family members
Why are they not enthusiastic I don't understand
Futurevoid
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The first Ryan bill that started this whole thing failed miserably. So no, that's not true. Not to mention the bill that did finally passed, only did so by the skin of its teeth and with the perspective that the Senate would "fix it".
Bonen no Max'd
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I certainly hope no one is going to kill pigeon then vomit on him as part of Obamacare repeal, stay safe buddy
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
If you need a tv now, by all means, but i'd suggest holding off for an OLED set as that's finally reaching mass market, and by extension reducing in price.
Right. And I'm sympathetic to those concerns. On the other hand, Pelosi and Schumer could push an immigration reform bill that is DOA on the Hill, and consequently no deal is made and the Dreamers AND their parents and family members all get deported.
I don't think we even know what the 'border security' trade offs are yet (right?), but assuming it is deploying more ICE agents into the field, isn't it preferable to at least save Dreamers than save nobody?
They have only gotten increasingly desperate since then, though. In no small part because they've taken months of shit from the White House and their base over their failures to repeal and replace ACA.
Well, if you're sympathetic let them fucking protest. That's the goal.
More ICE agents is fucking disgusting, its "preferable" but its a shitty compromise. That may be the necessary outcome, but our leaders need to know that it isn't nearly close to good enough. I'd love to see someone propose a clean DREAM act.
Futurevoid
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No argument on that front, but I never discount the Freedom Caucus and their complete allergy to actually govern or pass legislation. Ryan could absolutely be on the money in what he is saying but in what way has he proven that he has any control whatsoever over his party in the House? He's proven to be absolutely ineffectual.
I could be wrong and the House may be in lock step and in line. We'll see.
I think over 50% of Medicaid members of working age actually work. It's just a matter of whether employees offer healthcare and then can they afford healthcare on their earnings?
This says 64% of household with Medicaid have at least a full time employee. Eligibility is also categorical, for example pregnancy or cancer, so it can cover perfectly working people.
http://www.kff.org/medicaid/state-i...0&sortModel={"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"}
Mark Andrew
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Reuters: Trump using campaign, RNC funds to pay legal bills from Russia probe
Im sure his supporters are happy to be contributing to a billionaires legal defense fund.
Im sure his supporters are happy to be contributing to a billionaires legal defense fund.
Ryan is bad at his job and the HFC has no idea how to govern, no argument there. But I think it's telling that it was the HFC who reached out to MacArthur back in April/May to restart healthcare talks and actually get a bill passed. They clearly did not like being in the hot seat for weeks and blasted as the people who saved Obamacare, and they're not going to want to be the ones to save it again this time.
Anyone who is giving money to Trump is doing so to help their guy against all of the vast conspiracies arrayed against him, so they probably are plenty happy.
The upside to this is that it puts a drain on the RNC's wallet.
Aaron Strife
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tbh if Pence is (comically) lobbying Manchin that means they probably don't have 50 votes.
But we'll see.
But we'll see.
Well, shit.
Fenderputty
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Too bad? Any comprehensive bill would include non wall increased border security.
A - Do we actually know this? Probably, but we elect our leaders to fucking try to get the most they can. (Maybe that is this).
B- There's no issue with them protesting and they should continue to do so.
Aaron Strife
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Best-case scenario is the reconciliation deadline comes and goes with no healthcare bill, and Trump is pissed at the House/Senate Rs yet again for failing him (personal responsibility, what's that?) and ready to cut some more deals with Chuck and Nancy.
Fenderputty
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VendettaRed07
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Incrementalism in regards to minority group rights is worth protesting
balladofwindfishes
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Yep, I think their count of 47 might be on the optimistic side. There's probably a few hold outs that aren't public, yet. Maybe they're just done caring about healthcare and don't want another mess.
If you want to be the person to tell fucking DREAMERS that their protests are "counter-productive" because they don't want increased border security and want full amnesty - be my guest.
I'm going to side with them (but I'll trust Pelosi to do her best - I don't see the problem with our leaders being pushed to support positions that require heavy lifting).
Fenderputty
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Increased border security is a minority group right issue?
If it's any consolation, I read this as "Bernie and the Jebs."
Don't be coy - it's an issue that directly impacts certain marginalized groups in this country more than others.
By the way - most progressives working in immigration and for amnesty will agree with those demands. I don't see the issue - maybe those outcomes are unrealistic, but how does it help for us to tell them to shut up?
The Dream Act didn't.
It's not really incrementalism to actually make things worse for many immigrants in exchange for benefits for a few. That's horse trading, which is something quite different.
VendettaRed07
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It potentially can be given what that entails.
Like let me just put it like this. Far lefties protesting Pelosi because she is not pushing for socialist legislation under single party Republican control: Dumb
Latinos protesting deal making with Trump that could potentially negatively impact their lives with whatever is compromised in said deal: Not dumb.
Fenderputty
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I'm not being coy. Border security is a more broad concept than a minority rights issue. Boiling it down to that does nobody a lick of good. The reality is that incrementalism is all we got.
I don't have an issue with them protesting for full amnesty. I feel protesting Pelosi when she has zero power to do anything but still managed to (hopefully) save DACA is short sighted at best.
I suppose Pelosi should listen to them. They'll get nothing out of it, including any form of DACA, but at least they said their piece.
Plinko
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Adding more to the fire for 2018/2020. Destroying health care is going to be THE issue that turns rural people on the GOP. I'm finally on that train. All fun and games until your premium spikes over $5000 because you have diabetes.
19 out of 50 states have not expanded Medicaid. Sorry, other 31!
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