I dont think it really has anything to do with reclaiming the holy land.
I think its just moo-slehms are bad, and we need to beat them before they kill us all!!!111 (put as much ignorant drawl on that as possible).
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I dont think it really has anything to do with reclaiming the holy land.
I think its just moo-slehms are bad, and we need to beat them before they kill us all!!!111 (put as much ignorant drawl on that as possible).
smokeandmirrors
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i've really reached a breaking point.
when the LOWEST of bars possible is reading off a teleprompter then this country is beyond fucked.
there is nothing redeeming. wrap it up. show's over. we're done.
when the LOWEST of bars possible is reading off a teleprompter then this country is beyond fucked.
there is nothing redeeming. wrap it up. show's over. we're done.
This has been the case since the minute Trump was sworn in.
balladofwindfishes
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You guys know one random "good" speech hasn't ever mattered and hasn't ever made Trump legitimate, right?
Like after the 20th time he's done this and the media's done this, you'd think you'd be immune to getting in a tizzy over it.
Like after the 20th time he's done this and the media's done this, you'd think you'd be immune to getting in a tizzy over it.
Yoshimitsu126
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The only solace I take in it is their doing it Halloween night while everyone else is partying hard and eating delicious candy.
Aaron Strife
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Im not infuriated because it works, Im infuriated because they keep trying.
smokeandmirrors
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RustyNails
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How long before "Mandalay Bay Truthers" to come out and say this was a false flag operation by Soros?
Mark Andrew
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Literally the second this was reported you had people claiming the shooter was an actor hired by Hillary
BoboBrazil
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It was pretty embarrassing how they just immediately went to how good it was simply because he didn't fuck up reading a teleprompter. You could tell he didn't mean a word he said though and there was no empathy in his voice. Just don't waste your time on CNN. They are shit.
What's the timetable for when we could actually see another push for gun control legislation? I'd imagine it's far too partisan an issue at this point to really fool with considering you have the GOP trifecta and midterms approaching.
Is there ever a good time? This issue being as taboo as it is depresses the hell out of me. I just don't see how you bring the discourse back to the middle on this issue. The conversation is always muddied by misinformation and outright lies from multiple fronts.
Is there ever a good time? This issue being as taboo as it is depresses the hell out of me. I just don't see how you bring the discourse back to the middle on this issue. The conversation is always muddied by misinformation and outright lies from multiple fronts.
Fenderputty
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A month ago "gun control" was the thing liberals were considering dropping as part of a 50 state strategy.
I honestly don't understand how people get worked up over mass shootings now. Feels like just another Monday to me. I noticed things stopped hitting me as hard around the time of the Florida club shooting.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Along the same lines, I could tell the speech was going to pass muster by the tenor of the complaints in the OT thread, ha ha.
TelePrompTer Trump
He couldnt be more disinterested
Saying God a lot
Me: I guess its one of his better ones
Yeah, we don't consider the mental disorders that make you much more likely to engage in mass murder to be mental illnesses.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm agreeing with you. The factors that make mass shootings more likely are things like brittle self-image, gender rigidity, and aggression. We don't treat those things as mental illnesses or make any effort to segregate and treat them. So talking about "mental illnesses" is not really meaningful, because we consider mass shooters psychologically normal in our society.
Poodlestrike
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I still get angry, it's just... I'm sick of bashing my head against a wall, you know? After Sandy Hook (and spending more time with gun owners/collectors), it's clear to me that there isn't any event or argument that could make gun control actually happen. Gun control opponents just have too much political force and too little interest in human life, and most gun control support is incredibly soft.
Never.
Sandy Hook was when the Republican Party collectively decided that no shooting could ever be bad enough to make them supportive of any kind of gun control, no matter how meager or fucking obvious it may be.
No, it was bad. Not so much the content (which still wasn't "fine"), but how it was painfully obvious that Trump didn't give a shit.
Couple days ago I was listening to a radio cut of Obama talking about taking a knee. I'm not sure it was new, it might have been from when he was in office.
But regardless. You could feel Obama's honesty. You could feel that he truly understood. You could feel that he was truly sincere in having those taking a knee be heard as well as those being hurt by others taking a knee.
Listening to Obama talk for those 3-4 minutes almost made me cry. Not only because his statement was so heartfelt, honest and sincere about a complex issue, but also because of where we are with current POTUS. The contrast between Obama's humanity and Trump's inhumanity is immeasurable.
AntraxSuicide
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I think this is in basic income territory for political feasibility, but with some upgraded systems, I'd like to see an automatic referral (paid by the government) to a psychiatrist that gets triggered by any adverse legal interaction (divorce, loss of employment, death of a relative, bankruptcy/eviction, anything that would get filed).
balladofwindfishes
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We are never getting meaningful gun control legislation in our lifetime's.
Because:
The shooter in this case was a senior citizen so a) I have no idea why you're arguing and b) This happens to be a really untenable argument right now.
I feel like the low-hanging fruit of closing the gun show loophole and expanding the criteria under which people are banned from purchasing firearms (like no record of violent or sexual crimes, history of mental illness, association with extremist groups) could be possible in the right environment.
The culture is changing even as the gun owners are becoming more radical, they're also decreasing as a proportion of the population. Per the last General Social Survey, the percentage of gun-owning homes is the lowest it has ever been.
http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/07/19/gerrymandering-republicans-redmap
Really good article about republican gerrymandering.
It's also good for reminding democrats that... we're far from hopeless. Look at how depressed republicans were after the 2008 election, where dems had a supermajority in the senate and house, a shitton of state legislatures... and look how fast it came crumbling down. We're about to do the same thing to republicans in 2018. The house and senate may be a tough hurdle to climb, but boy are those state legislatures going to be eviscerated.
Really good article about republican gerrymandering.
It's also good for reminding democrats that... we're far from hopeless. Look at how depressed republicans were after the 2008 election, where dems had a supermajority in the senate and house, a shitton of state legislatures... and look how fast it came crumbling down. We're about to do the same thing to republicans in 2018. The house and senate may be a tough hurdle to climb, but boy are those state legislatures going to be eviscerated.
Julia Ioffe's oppo has droppo
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ht-approval-from-putin-ally-deripaska/541677/
Mark Andrew
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That seems really big.
This is why you should pay your employees
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Anyone here? I cannot see through all the smoke.
Actually, not paying him is probably how Trump et al., will try to argue this doesnt involve them.
Greigor The Fellhand
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this seems like a boom
Manafort flipped?
"A source close to Manafort confirms the authenticity" sure seems like it.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I dont see how Trump avoids testifying or interviewing with Mueller.
Or maybe that source flipped? Who knows? Hard to see how he is completely immune if this stuff is true.
RustyNails
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I dunno. Seems like it will be easily painted as Manafort using the campaign to pay off debts, without Trump or Priebus' knowledge.
Fenderputty
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An article a week about was similar. Sources close to Manafort confirmed he uses cryptic language to avoid talking openly about certain topics. Why are sources close to Manafort confirming any of this?
BlastProcessing
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Dubbedinenglish
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Oh theyre just talking about caviar *nervous sweating* totally not coded language.
Greigor The Fellhand
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black cavier is either trump or putin?
Mark Andrew
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The story surmises that its a reference to someone of Russian nationality who had paid Manafort in the past. Beyond that, who knows.
whyamihere
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So, uh, I think Dems have an outside shot now of taking the VA House.
Decision Desk HQ is doing a deep dive into the map with people on the ground there. Along with HD-2 and HD-42 which are easy flips for Dems not listed...
https://decisiondeskhq.com/news/virginia-house-of-delegates-ratings-overview/
IF Democrats take EVERY Likely, Lean, Tilt, and Tossup seat, they win 47 seats. Win 3 of the 4 tilt R seats...
Decision Desk HQ is doing a deep dive into the map with people on the ground there. Along with HD-2 and HD-42 which are easy flips for Dems not listed...
https://decisiondeskhq.com/news/virginia-house-of-delegates-ratings-overview/
IF Democrats take EVERY Likely, Lean, Tilt, and Tossup seat, they win 47 seats. Win 3 of the 4 tilt R seats...
ItWasMeantToBe19
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So, uh, I think Dems have an outside shot now of taking the VA House.
Decision Desk HQ is doing a deep dive into the map with people on the ground there. Along with HD-2 and HD-42 which are easy flips for Dems not listed...
https://decisiondeskhq.com/news/virginia-house-of-delegates-ratings-overview/
IF Democrats take EVERY Likely, Lean, Tilt, and Tossup seat, they win 47 seats. Win 3 of the 4 tilt R seats...
Wouldn't they need to win the governor's race by more than 3 points to do this.
Hopefully we can open up a lead > 3 points soon.
whyamihere
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As of now, it's Northam +4.5 (I hate RCP, but).
I would Northam would need to a lead that's larger than Hillary's for them to win the chamber.
Joe Shlabotnik
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police says shooters profile is unique
Sometimes a white guys gonna shoot 500 people and well what can ya do
Sometimes a white guys gonna shoot 500 people and well what can ya do
I doubt all 500 were shot. At least I hope not...
Many were probably trampled etc.
Not to mention if someone on site had a heart attack because of this incident would that count as an injury?
Aaron Strife
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Id say Northam would need to win by about... 7 points to flip the House?
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