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[whyamihere]

I’d say Northam would need to win by about... 7 points to flip the House?

I agree with that, yes.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

police says shooter’s profile is “unique”

Sometimes a white guy’s gonna shoot 500 people and well what can ya do

To be fair, a senior citizen without domestic violence charges being a mass shooter is pretty rare in America.

 

[studyguy]

We're going to seep though this shooting with 0 gun control repercussions just like Sandy Hook. It's not going to be resistance, it's just going to be pure inaction. A school of kids getting mowed down is as shocking as a concert full of people and we did squat then.

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

I could see Vegas banning firearms in all of vegas

 

[Aaron Strife]

I agree with that, yes.

I think he’s on the cusp of getting it, but we’ll see. Have to hope for some good turnout. Democrats smashed any expectation of low turnout in the primary, just have to do it again.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I could see Vegas banning firearms in all of vegas

I don't think this would be Constitutional at all. The Constitution doesn't care that your city is Las Vegas and full of mostly hotels and casinos.

The casinos could ban fire arms, though. I'd be kind of shocked if that wasn't already the case, though. Guns + Gambling + Drinking sounds like a pretty poor combination.

 

[Wilsongt]

White guy kills people with guns: Whoa whoa. It's too quick to talk about gun violence right now!

Brown person does it: BAN ALL THE PEOPLE NOW

 

[Pyrokai]

I don't think this would be Constitutional at all. The Constitution doesn't care that your city is Las Vegas and full of mostly hotels and casinos.

The casinos could ban fire arms, though. I'd be kind of shocked if that wasn't already the case, though. Guns + Gambling + Drinking sounds like a pretty poor combination.

Doesn't NYC ban firearms?

 

[B-Dubs]

Doesn't NYC ban firearms?

No, we just make it damn near impossible to get a permit.

 

[ratcliffja]

this seems like a boom

Confirmed by Wittes to be the boom.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

White guy kills people with guns: Whoa whoa. It's too quick to talk about gun violence right now!

Brown person does it: BAN ALL THE PEOPLE NOW

I mean we are talking about a country where cocaine wasn't removed from Coca Cola for a moral reason, but because it became cheap enough for even black people could afford them, causing the public to pressure Coca Cola to remove it because blacks might rape their white women

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Julia Ioffe's oppo has droppo

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ht-approval-from-putin-ally-deripaska/541677/

Damn, that's a scoop.

 

[whyamihere]

what the fuck are warm condolences.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I mean we are talking about a country where cocaine wasn't removed from Coca Cola for a moral reason, but because it became cheap enough for even black people could afford them, causing the public to pressure Coca Cola to remove it because blacks might ra0e their white women

At the time cocaine was not illegal and I think it was not viewed as immoral. I read the pope was on cocaine in that period, as it was mixed with wine he drank.

Coca-cola was originally not a sugary drink, but a wine that because of prohibition was changed.

You're right about the reason they changed though, being racism.

 

[Ogodei]

what the fuck are warm condolences.

When they're passing around a card in the office because some guy down in accounting had to put his dog to sleep.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

At the time cocaine was not illegal and I think it was not viewed as immoral. I read the pope was on cocaine in that period, as it was mixed with wine he drank.

Coca-cola was originally not a sugary drink, but a wine that because of prohibition was changed.

You're right about the reason they changed though, being racism.

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I'm aware of this, but enough time has past that we can say morality was the reason.

 

[Ernest]

Damn, that's a scoop.

Which will be summarily ignored. Partly due to Vegas, and party due to Russia fatigue.

 

[Wilsongt]

what the fuck are warm condolences.

Thoughts and prayers.

Thoughts and prayers.

Because it is always too soon to have a national conversation about gun violence, Nazis, and racism as long as it involves white people being the perpetrators.

 

[RumbleHumble]

Thoughts and prayers.

Thoughts and prayers.

Because it is always too soon to have a national conversation about gun violence, Nazis, and racism as long as it involves white people being the perpetrators.

They're scared of having to confront their own privilege in the face of the lives lost to keep it.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Which will be summarily ignored. Partly due to Vegas, and party due to Russia fatigue.

It doesn't really have to get a ton of media attention. If if builds more of a case on Manafort and pressures him to implicate Trump, it will have been worth it.

 

[studyguy]

SHS literally pulling a 'What about Chicago' in a presser as a push back against gun legislation after 500 people were shot in a single night.

I don't think shouting BUT CHICAGO counts here.
We're talking about Nevada who even if you want to take other angles of mental disorders were bussing mental patients out of the state in masse as far back as 2012.

 

[Blader]

Am I reading that Atlantic oppo right, in that Manafort basically stole $20 million from a Russian oligarch?

 

[adamsappel]

what the fuck are warm condolences.

The word choice of someone who has never had to express sympathy for another person, so he confuses "deep condolences" with "warmest regards."

 

[Skiptastic]

Never.

Sandy Hook was when the Republican Party collectively decided that no shooting could ever be bad enough to make them supportive of any kind of gun control, no matter how meager or fucking obvious it may be.

I hate to agree with this, but yes, it is true.

 

[Fenderputty]

I don't think this would be Constitutional at all. The Constitution doesn't care that your city is Las Vegas and full of mostly hotels and casinos.

The casinos could ban fire arms, though. I'd be kind of shocked if that wasn't already the case, though. Guns + Gambling + Drinking sounds like a pretty poor combination.

Vegas specifically has issues in that unlike most hotels, their resorts have 10 restaurants, 20 shops and a huge casino in each location too. How many people walk freely in and out of these vegas hotels on the strip? Controlling this seems like a nightmare. Holidays? Nah ... not even remotely possible. The strip is arm to arm for new years.

 

[AndyD]

black cavier is either trump or putin?

Putin. He was wanting to talk about plans for the future of Russia based on Manafort's new position of power/influence. And clearly with a veiled reminder of past large payments/gifts.

 

[Blader]

I hate to agree with this, but yes, it is true.

The acceptance that nothing is going to be done to make this situation better because there is a bloc of people in our government committed to preventing any change from happening is a big part of what has made me so numb to these shootings.

 

[Suikoguy]

Poor Puerto Rico...

Not to take anything away from those killed or injured in Las Vegas, but PR was finally getting the media attention they needed.



Let's hope the last several days were enough to start things in a better direction.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The acceptance that nothing is going to be done to make this situation better because there is a bloc of people in our government committed to preventing any change from happening is a big part of what has made me so numb to these shootings.

tbf, most good gun control laws that could be passed are not constitutional.

Gun confiscation is the only great gun control law and that's obviously not constitutional.

Gun confiscation of domestic abusers would be good and I think everyone other than Thomas would agree it's constitutional (maybe Thomas, Gorsuch, and Alito would disagree at worst) though.

 

[sc0la]

So basically Manafort was a sleeper agent, and Trump welcomed his “connections”?

Why do I feel like Manafort played dumb in the adoptions meeting and could have gone over that guys head lol

 

[AndyD]

tbf, most good gun control laws that could be passed are not constitutional.

Gun confiscation is the only great gun control law and that's obviously not constitutional.

Gun confiscation of domestic abusers would be good and I think everyone other than Thomas would agree it's constitutional (maybe Thomas, Gorsuch, and Alito would disagree at worst) though.

There can be a lot around transaction control that most people would see as fine. Background checks, gun registries, removal for elderly, mental health and disabled...

 

[Blader]

tbf, most good gun control laws that could be passed are not constitutional.

Gun confiscation is the only great gun control law and that's obviously not constitutional.

Gun confiscation of domestic abusers would be good and I think everyone other than Thomas would agree it's constitutional (maybe Thomas, Gorsuch, and Alito would disagree at worst) though.

Rather than confiscating guns from domestic abusers, they should be unable to legally buy them anywhere in the first place.

Other civilized countries have been able to prevent sporadic outbreaks of mass gun violence without unilaterally confiscating weapons. Mandatory background checks and a national registry is basically all I'm looking for. A buyback program would be cool too.

 

[pigeon]

Rather than confiscating guns from domestic abusers, they should be unable to legally buy them anywhere in the first place.

Other civilized countries have been able to prevent sporadic outbreaks of mass gun violence without unilaterally confiscating weapons. Mandatory background checks, a national registry, and a buyback program is basically all I'm looking for.

The point is that they might have purchased guns before engaging in domestic abuse. They need to be taken away.

 

[Wilsongt]

SHS literally pulling a 'What about Chicago' in a presser as a push back against gun legislation after 500 people were shot in a single night.

I don't think shouting BUT CHICAGO counts here.
We're talking about Nevada who even if you want to take other angles of mental disorders were bussing mental patients out of the state in masse as far back as 2012.

Yeah, but black people are totally killing each other, bro. Who cares about what a white guy does?

 

[AndyD]

The point is that they might have purchased guns before engaging in domestic abuse. They need to be taken away.

I think the other approach allows for those who have them to be grandfathered in. Over time it becomes effective without the pr of taking guns away.

 

[pigeon]

I think the other approach allows for those who have them to be grandfathered in. Over time it becomes effective without the pr of taking guns away.

Domestic abusers commit mass shootings. Why would you want to grandfather them in? The whole point is to make sure they don't have guns!

 

[Blader]

The point is that they might have purchased guns before engaging in domestic abuse. They need to be taken away.

Well yes, gun confiscation is more effective than anything else. But I'm looking for the doable middle ground between something that won't happen and nothing happening at all.

Doable being relative, of course, since literally nothing on gun control is doable with this Congress or administration or Republican Party.

 

[chadskin]

More oppo just droppo

Associates of President Trump and his company have turned over documents to federal investigators that reveal two previously unreported contacts from Russia during the 2016 campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

In one case, Trump’s personal attorney and a business associate exchanged emails weeks before the Republican National Convention about traveling to an economic conference in Russia that would be attended by top Russian financial and government leaders, including President Vladi­mir Putin, according to people familiar with the correspondence.

In the other case, the same Trump attorney, Michael Cohen, received a proposal in late 2015 for a Moscow residential project from a company founded by a billionaire who once served in the Russian Senate, these people said. The previously unreported inquiry marks the second proposal for a Trump-branded Moscow project that was delivered to the company during the presidential campaign and has since come to light.

Cohen declined the invitation to the economic conference, citing the difficulty of attending so close to the GOP convention, according to people familiar with the matter. And Cohen rejected the Moscow building plan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...91fe5e-a6c0-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html

 

[Hopfrog]

WaPo: Documents show new unreported contacts between Trump associates and the Russians

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trumps-company-had-more-contact-with-russia-during-campaign-according-to-documents-turned-over-to-investigators/2017/10/02/2091fe5e-a6c0-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html

 

[AndyD]

Domestic abusers commit mass shootings. Why would you want to grandfather them in? The whole point is to make sure they don't have guns!

I agree. I mean from a realistic political implementation, one is more doable than the other.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What would even be considered "mental illness" to bar someone from a gun?

 

[BlastProcessing]

What would even be considered "mental illness" to bar someone from a gun?

They want a gun.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

What would even be considered "mental illness" to bar someone from a gun?

Wanting one, if it were left up to me.

Edit: Bro-fist coming your way, Blast.

 

[studyguy]

Shooter at USC now. Fuck today.

 

[pigeon]

Well yes, gun confiscation is more effective than anything else. But I'm looking for the doable middle ground between something that won't happen and nothing happening at all.

Doable being relative, of course, since literally nothing on gun control is doable with this Congress or administration or Republican Party.

I agree. I mean from a realistic political implementation, one is more doable than the other.

It is so doable to ban domestic abusers from purchasing guns that, as Cybit informed me last shooting, this is already the law in most states.

It's just not sufficient to actually make a difference. They need to have their currently existing guns confiscated, and anybody who provides them with a gun that is then used in a crime needs to be tried as an accessory.

 

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/heatherscope/status/914934868815024128

Heather Caygle (@heatherscope)
Bill loosening silencer restrictions won't be coming for a vote anytime soon after Las Vegas, w/ @BresPolitico

Silencer bill stopped for a while.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

https://twitter.com/heatherscope/status/914934868815024128


Silencer bill stopped for a while.

I give it a week.

 

[nature boy]

Senator Rand Paul‏Verified account @RandPaul 43m43 minutes ago

This is a GOP tax plan? Possibly 30% of middle class gets a tax hike? I hope the final details are better than this. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/preliminary-analysis-unified-framework/full …

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[studyguy]

I give it a week.

Coinciding with the NRA ads prob.

 

[Fenderputty]

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Some slightly positive news on an otherwise dreary day.