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[Diablos]

The real fight is going to be in Congress now.

 

[Jeels]

Would we take border wall funding in exchange for daca being law? As someone who knows many dreamers, I would...as horrible symbolically a wall would be.

 

[Oblivion]

Schrodinger's Democrats

The people who call a House victory "impossible" are dumbasses. We currently have a 30% chance of winning the House outright, and we're virtually guaranteed to reduce their already unworkable majority. Yes, they are scared of the electoral consequences.

....this is something to be positive about??

 

[VendettaRed07]

Hes using it as leverage to get something else, like what he really wants, tax cuts.

Would we take border wall funding in exchange for daca being law? As someone who knows many dreamers, I would...as horrible symbolically a wall would be.

Tax cuts, maybe

Wall, no way

 

[thepotatoman]

Would we take border wall funding in exchange for daca being law? As someone who knows many dreamers, I would...as horrible symbolically a wall would be.

It seems much easier to undo the wall in 4 years than to undo the damage that ending DACA will do.

Besides, elections have consequences and the losing side should take what it can get in situations like this.

 

[Zolo]

It seems much easier to undo the wall in 4 years than to undo the damage that ending DACA will do.

Besides, elections have consequences and the losing side should take what it can get in situations like this.

The problem with it being as Trump, what's to stop him from demanding more with the DACA as leverage?

 

[thepotatoman]

The problem with it being as Trump, what's to stop him from demanding more with the DACA as leverage?

He'll sign anything put in front of him. Trump doesn't care about wheeling and dealing for policy when he has no real policy opinions of his own. The main problem is if his base revolts against it and scares Trump away, or if Ryan/McConnell block it.

Democrats can maybe shut down the government over it.

 

[SpaceCadetKeon]

Even if Trump's idea is to use DACA as a bargaining chip, I suspect he's sadistic enough to end it anyway even if he gets what he wants.

 

[Sibylus]

Folks talking about bargaining with Trump have a wicked combination of amnesia and Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[Oblivion]

Folks talking about bargaining with Trump have a wicked combination of amnesia and Stockholm Syndrome.

Remember how Trump acted like he was empathetic to the flood victims when he went to Texas yesterday?

(this was an actual talking point on MSNBC, btw)

 

[thepotatoman]

Even if Trump's idea is to use DACA as a bargaining chip, I suspect he's sadistic enough to end it anyway even if he gets what he wants.

If a deal is struck, it'd be put in a bill that trump can't just end unless he ignores the courts telling him he can't.

 

[Sibylus]

Remember how Trump acted like he was empathetic to the flood victims when he went to Texas yesterday?

(this was an actual talking point on MSNBC, btw)

Remember literally every time someone backed him, helped him, or praised him? There is literally nobody outside of his creepy family that he won't betray and throw out like trash.

 

[Mr.Mike]

Remember literally every time someone backed him, helped him, or praised him? There is literally nobody outside of his creepy family that he won't betray and throw out like trash.

Except Tiffany

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Remember literally every time someone backed him, helped him, or praised him? There is literally nobody outside of his creepy family that he won't betray and throw out like trash.

He first reaction over the Trump Tower meeting was to throw his own son under the bus.

 

[Sibylus]

Except Tiffany

He first reaction over the Trump Tower meeting was to throw his own son under the bus.

And yet, the name offers protection from the extremes he'd take that pique and neuroticism.

 

[Journeywalker]

It looks like white nationalists have moved on from yellow stars and parentheses. Per Breitbart, the new faschion trend is surrounding people's names by globes. Time to update your screen names.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Maybe stop letting sexless neckbeards determine what your Twitter handle looks like

 

[Journeywalker]

I like reclaiming things.

Spoiler

I guess you wouldn't like my joke about the mezuzah-signal either.

 

[a.wd]

Jesus Christ. Ok, I'm officially starting the Trump Impeachment Prediction Competition. Quote this post and post whether you think Trump will be impeached or not, with an optional over/under. Deadline is next week.

Yes impeach, O/U 10/1

Also I think there is a good chance of a medical retirement

 

[neurosisxeno]

No chance. He'll likely resign after a year. Claiming he accomplished everything he wanted and left early because he was so successful 4 years would be pointless, or blame everyone in Washington and say it's irreparable.

 

[a.wd]

No chance. He'll likely resign after a year. Claiming he accomplished everything he wanted and left early because he was so successful 4 years would be pointless, or blame everyone in Washington and say it's irreparable.

Resignation would be amazing, but I reeeeally don't think he is self aware enough for that.

It is the only way he makes it out with any ability to claim he did a good job.

 

[CCS]

I'm going to go with him being impeached by the House but it not being upheld by the Senate.

 

[aspiegamer]

As I still refuse to believe Trump would willingly sacrifice the lives of potentially millions of South Koreans, the boasting about being ready to attack at any time is still the dumbest possible bluff. There are plenty of US citizens and US military personnel in the border region, too. Knowingly ignoring their safety is unthinkable. The generals would revolt before permitting something like that, surely? Without even a hint of US buildup in the area or a call for Americans to voluntarily evacuate SK it's like trying to call a bluff in a poker game while you have a hand full of Uno cards.

The economic trade threats are equally stupid, but at least there aren't lives immediately on the line! Trump: "China, stop trading with North Korea or I'll punch myself in the dick" is not a credible threat.

 

[Kusagari]

Imagine congress having to deal with another aid package for Irma in addition to everything else in September.

 

[Crocodile]

Seems right

 

[dramatis]

I think Trump wants to stay president right now for the pardon power.

 

[rjinaz]

I think Trump wants to stay president right now for the pardon power.

I tend to agree. 3 more years of Trump. Seems like it's already been that long so 3 more years might as well be another decade.

 

[dramatis]

I glanced at the hurricane thread. If you're in FL, GA, SC, probably also NC, you should probably be keeping an eye on Irma.

Federal resources are going to be stretched thin with the ongoing recovery in Texas.

 

[Mark Andrew]

Republican Senator willing to take a legislative approach to protecting DACA recipients. We need to apply pressure wherever possible.

September is too dangerous to play hardball. We need to raise the debt ceiling, fund the government, and provide substantial disaster relief. But come October, this needs to be a top priority. Congressional Democrats can’t provide a single vote for tax reform, infrastructure, or any other agenda item until DACA protections are codified.

On another note:

Trump team considering plan that would tax the $$ workers place into 401ks up front to pay for corporate tax cuts.

Pure evil.

 

[FyreWulff]

what the fuck at that 401k thing

 

[Grexeno]

Why the fuck would anyone ever think that would go over well

 

[BigWeather]

Now that'd put a nail in that party's coffin.

 

[FyreWulff]

that's literally.. just.. literally


literally taking money from the employees and giving it to the CEOs


a giant fuck you to the middle class

if they could get away with it they'd likely invert the tax brackets

 

[jtb]

Can't help but feel that even "shut up and give me tax cuts" college educated suburban Republicans would see that as a huge fuck you.

 

[Tamanon]

I refuse to believe they would be that dumb.

 

[Mark Andrew]

that's literally.. just.. literally


literally taking money from the employees and giving it to the CEOs


a giant fuck you to the middle class

if they could get away with it they'd likely invert the tax brackets

Happy Labor Day!

 

[ascii42]

So Roth 401k would be the only option?

 

[jtb]

I refuse to believe they would be that dumb.

Does seem like that's floating the worst possible option and setting expectations so low that their actual still-obscenely-regressive plan is "better"

 

[Plinko]

LOL at the 401k thing.

There is literally zero justification for it. No logic whatsoever. A huge "screw you" to all individual tax-paying citizens. As if we aren't already going to have a huge retirement disaster in the future thanks to 401ks.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Isn't the whole point of a 401k is that is isn't taxed upfront?

Wouldn't this be double taxing?

 

[Autodidact]

Democrats need a new Harry and Louise ad about the 401(k)s.

 

[Tamanon]

Isn't the whole point of a 401k is that is isn't taxed upfront?

Wouldn't this be double taxing?

They would have to remove the tax on withdrawal, it would make even less sense otherwise.

Basically, they would have to turn it into a Roth 401k......

 

[ascii42]

They would have to remove the tax on withdrawal, it would make even less sense otherwise.

Basically, they would have to turn it into a Roth 401k......

Which would be better for people who'd be facing a higher tax rate when they retire than they do currently. With the reverse being true with a traditional 401k. Of course, assuming that they do in fact not double tax people.

 

[Patryn]

They would have to remove the tax on withdrawal, it would make even less sense otherwise.

Basically, they would have to turn it into a Roth 401k......

Wouldn't that almost mean they're robbing Peter (the future) to pay Paul (the present)?

 

[Tamanon]

Wouldn't that almost mean they're robbing Peter (the future) to pay Paul (the present)?

That's exactly what they would do.

And they wouldn't be able to modify the taxation of withdrawals for money that was already contributed. It'd basically be putting out that "tax cut"(the withdrawal) for ~20 years or so. CBO would probably have no idea what to do with it.

It's just dumb all around, and would encourage people to stop saving for retirement.

 

[Tamanon]

Also, this is one helluva thing to trial balloon on freakin' LABOR DAY.

 

[Autodidact]

Can't help but feel that even "shut up and give me tax cuts" college educated suburban Republicans would see that as a huge fuck you.

Sabato moves GA-06 to Lean Dem.

 

[Mark Andrew]

That's exactly what they would do.

And they wouldn't be able to modify the taxation of withdrawals for money that was already contributed. It'd basically be putting out that "tax cut"(the withdrawal) for ~20 years or so. CBO would probably have no idea what to do with it.

It's just dumb all around, and would encourage people to stop saving for retirement.

In the future, all retirement savings will be held in the form of Dogecoin.

 

[kirblar]

In the future, all retirement savings will be held in the form of Dogecoin.

And magic cards.

 

[ascii42]

And magic cards.

What about all these pogs and Beanie Babies I've been holding onto?