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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher

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Folks talking about bargaining with Trump have a wicked combination of amnesia and Stockholm Syndrome.

People who believe something is better than nothing, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good and so on let their opponents walk all over them/exploit them. It's just how their mind operates. Their principles are for sale given the right price.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Isn't that just forcing all 401Ks into Roth 401Ks? You pay upfront and the money grows tax free.

Seems dumb to me though because no Americans save any money anyway. What are you going to raise, like 5 dollars?
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I have a feeling if the democrats win the House, they may drag any impeachment proceedings into the 2020 election cycle to make it worse for him.
 
I have a feeling if the democrats win the House, they may drag any impeachment proceedings into the 2020 election cycle to make it worse for him.
That would be a bad idea

By then they'll know if Mueller has pressed charges or not

If he does then either two things will happen. The charges are too large to ignore, GOP starts the process themselves when they have control.

Or they do nothing and everyone loses their minds shouting about how we have to do something, while they do nothing.

If they do nothing and democrats win the house, they aren't going to be able to delay it for obvious political purposes. It's a terrible and unworkable idea
 
That would be a bad idea

By then they'll know if Mueller has pressed charges or not

If he does then either two things will happen. The charges are too large to ignore, GOP starts the process themselves when they have control.

Or they do nothing and everyone loses their minds shouting about how we have to do something, while they do nothing.

If they do nothing and democrats win the house, they aren't going to be able to delay it for obvious political purposes. It's a terrible and unworkable idea

This.

It's the sort of thing that looks tempting when you first look at it, but it'd be a disaster in practice. The closer the impeachment is to 2020, the better, but you have to take it when you get it. No stretching things out.
 
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On another note:



Pure evil.

Happy Labor Day!
 
If they do nothing and democrats win the house, they aren't going to be able to delay it for obvious political purposes. It's a terrible and unworkable idea

And imagine the outcry from the Democratic base if Pelosi and Schumer tried to delay the impeachment. Certain segments of the left still haven't forgotten Pelosi's "Impeachment is off the table comment" regarding Bush
even though the Democrats would've gained nothing by impeaching a lame duck in the second half of his second term.
 
I think the only scenario in which Trump is removed from office is under republican control.

If Mueller's charges and his acquired evidence is too damning and they start the process by themselves, they'll surely have at least have of them to vote to convict. If they didn't there would be no momentum to move impeachment forward in the first place

If Mueller presses charges and they do nothing, and do nothing until democrats take control I doubt they aid in helping impeach him then. If they are able to ignore it first there's no reason democratic control will change their mind. They'll turn the victim blame game card, "how could big bad democrats do this", etc
 
Ten years from now you won't be able to find a Trump supporter because they'll have disavowed him as they've disavowed Bush.

I can already barely hold my tongue around some of the revisionists. Like, I know how you voted... twice.
 
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So why is the US the only ones dick waving against NK?

List of countries with nukes:

US
Russia
China
UK
France
India
Pakistan
Israel

List of countries with nukes that can hit North Korea:

US
Russia
China
UK
France

List of countries with nukes that can hit North Korea who North Korea can hit back:

US
Russia
China

List of countries with nukes that can hit North Korea who North Korea can hit back and do not have regular dealings with North Korea:

US

If you don't have nukes, you can't dick-wave. If your nukes can't reach North Korea, you can't dick-wave. If North Korea can't reach you, they can't dick-wave. If you're having a love-in, your dicks are too busy doing something else.

That leaves the US.
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
Ten years from now you won't be able to find a Trump supporter because they'll have disavowed him as they've disavowed Bush.

I can already barely hold my tongue around some of the revisionists. Like, I know how you voted... twice.

The disowning of Bush was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen. They treated him like he was a Clinton during his 2nd term.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I think the only scenario in which Trump is removed from office is under republican control.

If Mueller's charges and his acquired evidence is too damning and they start the process by themselves, they'll surely have at least have of them to vote to convict. If they didn't there would be no momentum to move impeachment forward in the first place

If Mueller presses charges and they do nothing, and do nothing until democrats take control I doubt they aid in helping impeach him then. If they are able to ignore it first there's no reason democratic control will change their mind. They'll turn the victim blame game card, "how could big bad democrats do this", etc

I see zero scenarios in which republicans remove Trump from the office. I keep hearing people say, "Wait for it! They'll finally turn on him one day!" Yet, every passing day we hear lots of "concern" about his actions/words and nothing else.
 

TheSun

Member
I glanced at the hurricane thread. If you're in FL, GA, SC, probably also NC, you should probably be keeping an eye on Irma.

Federal resources are going to be stretched thin with the ongoing recovery in Texas.

Again...
I'm starting to think that living in Florida land might be hazardous to my health.
 

jtb

Banned
Republicans are completely and utterly compromised by Trump at this point. I completely agree that they will never initiate impeachment. Some will certainly participate in a Dem controlled congress, but they will not do it on their own. In for a penny, in for a pound.
 
I see zero scenarios in which republicans remove Trump from the office. I keep hearing people say, "Wait for it! They'll finally turn on him one day!" Yet, every passing day we hear lots of "concern" about his actions/words and nothing else.

They might have to depending on the charges brought if any, if it is during 2019 they might have to get rid of him( maybe not impeachment) because he will really them drag down during the election in 2020.
 
GOP would have to basically disavow Trump before impeaching. Kick him out of the party. Don't let him run as a republican candidate. They really never should have been a part of the republican party, he has no values, just parrots the talking points of whatever gets him power.
 
GOP would have to basically disavow Trump before impeaching. Kick him out of the party. Don't let him run as a republican candidate. They really never should have been a part of the republican party, he has no values, just parrots the talking points of whatever gets him power.

You make him sound like the perfect Republican.
 
I see zero scenarios in which republicans remove Trump from the office. I keep hearing people say, "Wait for it! They'll finally turn on him one day!" Yet, every passing day we hear lots of "concern" about his actions/words and nothing else.
They have no reason to right now because he hasn't been charged or found guilty of anything.

We've gotten them to at least commit to "we will accept the results of Mueller's investigation" while I doubt they'll want to or keep to that, if Mueller comes forward with incriminating evidence so damaging that even goes beyond what we are aware of and presents it in a way where even they can't pretend to act like "concerned responses" are enough, they may not have a choice. Well they do, but I can imagine them just saying "fuck it well just let Mike Pence do the job now" if it comes to that.

It's unlikely I agree but that's the only situation I can imagine it happening. If they are able to ignore Mueller's recommendations I don't see republicans going along with or helping democrats impeach him. Which seems like the most likely outcome to me
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
List of countries with nukes:

US
Russia
China
UK
France
India
Pakistan
Israel

List of countries with nukes that can hit North Korea:

US
Russia
China
UK
France

List of countries with nukes that can hit North Korea who North Korea can hit back:

US
Russia
China

List of countries with nukes that can hit North Korea who North Korea can hit back and do not have regular dealings with North Korea:

US

If you don't have nukes, you can't dick-wave. If your nukes can't reach North Korea, you can't dick-wave. If North Korea can't reach you, they can't dick-wave. If you're having a love-in, your dicks are too busy doing something else.

That leaves the US.


This needs a reverse list for a different scenario though:

List of Countries that would sell a warhead to a bad actor because they are that strapped for cash:

North Korea


List of countries/organizations who are bad actors:

oh no.
 
Whenever people mention this just mention Trump does too with his donations and his kids being democratic. That usually shuts them up.

I mean, who doesnt have "ties" to democrats, half the voters in america are democrats.

You probably have at least a couple of friends or family that are democrats, and you almost certainly have coworkers that are democrats.

This is the dumbest talking point fox has ever manufactured outside of the war on christmas,
 

Wilsongt

Member
It looks like white nationalists have moved on from yellow stars and parentheses. Per Breitbart, the new faschion trend is surrounding people's names by globes. Time to update your screen names.

🌍🕎🐔 G L O B A L I S T J E W I S H C U C K S🐔🕎🌍?

Assholes stealing my idea.
 
Why are the alt right in favor of ending DACA? I mean, what do they actually say, not what they actually believe which I am sure is rooted in racism and hatred.

Illegals terkerjerbs blah blah blah. Of course these are the rednecks that don't even have a Hispanic person in their town that just parrot whatever Fox News tells them.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
They would have to remove the tax on withdrawal, it would make even less sense otherwise.

Basically, they would have to turn it into a Roth 401k......

They don't HAVE to. It would screw over millions, but they very well could gut the system for no good reason.

But it sounds like they want to remove the traditional 401k in favor of Roth only. Which isn't the end of the world, but it overall screws the upper middle class (I believe people paid $100k+ would feel it the most, in general Roth favors people with lower incomes)
 

dramatis

Member
The six month window is to give Republicans plenty of time to obfuscate the issue.
To be fair to Graham, he reintroduced the DREAM Act back in July, but that was around the time the Senate healthcare bill finally got voted down, then the Mooch got hired and Spicer resigned as press sec. So that was kind of a thing that was buried under a mountain of other news.

Edit: I will say this, even if the DREAM Act actually makes it out of Congress and it gets signed by Trump, it'll be challenged in courts probably. We're in for a long ride.
 

Kusagari

Member
I don't really doubt Graham wants to keep DACA in some form.

It's most of his colleagues, especially in the house, I doubt.
 
How much opposition to DACA was related to DACA itself and not "it's Obama, so no".

Rs don't really have a choice, it's a 6 month timebomb.

Cheeto will ask for some concession, like money for the GREAT WALL or work visas
 

Vixdean

Member
Politically, there is no reason to compromise on DACA or tie keeping it to something only Trump's base of bigots and uneducated morons want (like the wall). Keeping DACA is highly popular and supported by just about everyone, if the GOP wants to die on a hill defending Trump's actions on it, let them.
 
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