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[Kai Dracon]

fucking shame that the Republicans have to find a way to avoid looking inside themselves

Republicans long ago sold their souls to the Moral Majority and the Religious Reich extremists. They're in too deep to back out of the deal now. Their allies brook no compromise, no sign of "moral" weakness, like admitting you were wrong about something and that views can change. Undying eternal truth and unquestioning certitude are their bedrocks. They see the "reality based community" as the enemy.

At this point, in the long run, the party may very well go down with the ship.

The sooner people who claim they're "normal" conservatives who just care about the economy and shit realize this instead of turning a blind eye to the party they're giving their loyalty to, the better.

 

[Y2Kev]

No wonder Romney's speeches all say "When I am President" instead of "If."

I for one welcome our new Romney overlords

Like I said, telling.

How can even your own internal show you up only 1 in the state you MUST win? Lol

 

[Deleted member 47027]

The sooner people who claim they're "normal" conservatives who just care about the economy and shit realize this instead of turning a blind eye to the party they're giving their loyalty to, the better.

I'd like to see the Tea Party branch out a bit and get even more extreme and give rise to a more sensible Republican party, one that actually makes more sense in general and maybe has some fringe issues, as opposed to one that (imho) has some very good nationwide and foreign policies that aren't based on hatemongering and turning this nation around better, fiscally.

 

[Wafflecakes]

<3 the folks at PPP. Such a good sense of humor.

 

[RDreamer]

"99 problems but Mitt ain't one" lol

edit: a bitch got through

The right could spin this pretty hilariously. "At an official Obama rally Jay-Z equated Mitt Romney to a "bitch" by substituting his name in for that word"

 

[Diablos]

Highly credible Romney internals (supposedly) leaked:

WTF......

 

[norinrad]

I'll bet you a million dollars Mitt won't be president tomorrow.

Spoiler

He'll be president on Jan 20

Pretty much, all Republicans in Florida and Ohio should be arrested for treason

 

[el retorno]

I seriously think its awesome that Jay-Z is singing 99 problems at a presidential rally. This country is awesome.

Though the french president using niggas in paris was pretty cool too.

 

[RedSwirl]

Haven't been following the thread. Polls on major news sites are all over the place. Status update please?

 

[gutter_trash]

I prefer to talk in the Poligaf thread than the OT.

the Ron Paul, Jill Stein and 3rd party dreamers have ruined that OT thread this week-end

 

[eBay Huckster]

I seriously think its awesome that Jay-Z is singing 99 problems at a presidential rally. This country is awesome.

Though the french president using niggas in paris was pretty cool too.

wish i could've made it to that rally

goddamn conveniently timed exams

(good thing there's a stream on obama's site)

 

[Amir0x]

I do think the polls aren't nearly accurate enough, but I won't say the election is stolen on Wednesday. I think our entire polling system needs to be fixed in a major way. I don't think there's a huge amount of chicanery above the norm, but I also don't trust it nearly enough. I'm sure most people feel the same way.

Historically, though, polls are pretty accurate indeed, particularly if you have a lot of them showing one particular thing. We have a huge amount of polls, and they all paint the same picture. So what is it about polls that you think "need to be fixed in a major way", and is it based on anything other than your gut feeling?

 

[Angry Grimace]

WTF......

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

WTF......

Yep. My source confirmed it who works for the Obama campaign

 

[Kusagari]

I'm ready for tomorrow when Ron Paul wins in an amazing, unprecedented write-in victory.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Historically, though, polls are pretty accurate indeed, particularly if you have a lot of them showing one particular thing. We have a huge amount of polls, and they all paint the same picture. So what is it about polls that you think "need to be fixed in a major way", and is it based on anything other than your gut feeling?

They need to be far more transparent about who they're polling - though some of that isn't the polls' fault. The thing is, either side can spin them very easily and make them blow past most peoples' eyes who don't bother looking any deeper. That's all I really meant by it - they're nebulous at times of exactly who is being polled, and I think that's just an issue with polls in general.

 

[Amir0x]

Also: Someone should make an early PoliGAF topic now, or else we'll be scrambling in the middle of Election Day fever to get a new one up. Posts are going to be coming a mile a minute tomorrow.

 

[GregLombardi]

Also: Someone should make an early PoliGAF topic now, or else we'll be scrambling in the middle of Election Day fever to get a new one up. Posts are going to be coming a mile a minute tomorrow.

Do you think it should be a Poligaf thread or just forced into the Election OT in the OT?

 

[Angry Grimace]

They need to be far more transparent about who they're polling - though some of that isn't the polls' fault. The thing is, either side can spin them very easily and make them blow past most peoples' eyes who don't bother looking any deeper. That's all I really meant by it - they're nebulous at times of exactly who is being polled, and I think that's just an issue with polls in general.

They do say who they're polling

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Also: Someone should make an early PoliGAF topic now, or else we'll be scrambling in the middle of Election Day fever to get a new one up. Posts are going to be coming a mile a minute tomorrow.

Ok, I already have the correct topic:

POLIGAF |OT| The Dream is Dead, Romney's Reign Of Terror Begins... NOW!

 

[eBay Huckster]

I'm ready for tomorrow when Ron Paul wins in an amazing, unprecedented write-in victory.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

They do say who they're polling

Yeah, and people like yourself or I have no issues picking up on that - but I just think in general they need to be more transparent, so I don't get texts from friends saying the sky is falling or the world is bitchin' because their poll of choice stated X.

 

[Amir0x]

They need to be far more transparent about who they're polling - though some of that isn't the polls' fault. The thing is, either side can spin them very easily and make them blow past most peoples' eyes who don't bother looking any deeper. That's all I really meant by it - they're nebulous at times of exactly who is being polled, and I think that's just an issue with polls in general.

I guess I still am wondering how you mean. Most polls break it down extensively - male or female, Democrat, Republican or Independent, hispanic, white, or African American, etc - and then tell us how many respondents went for each candidate based on whether they are likely to vote, or if they're just registered to vote.

What data would you like to see included that is not already included in almost every poll?

Yeah, and people like yourself or I have no issues picking up on that - but I just think in general they need to be more transparent, so I don't get texts from friends saying the sky is falling or the world is bitchin' because their poll of choice stated X.

They release pdf files showing every single data point!

 

[NullPointer]

Ok, I already have the correct topic:

POLIGAF |OT| The Dream is Dead, Romney's Reign Of Terror Begins... NOW!

POLIGAF |OT| Reality is the one who knocks.

 

[pigeon]

I'll just put out there what everyone knows - because they aren't the actual internal polling numbers, they're made up numbers to convince the base they are winning.

There's a good chance they are actual internals, but that just doesn't mean anything. Internals have a worse version of the problem with privately funded polls -- you can safely assume the ones that get leaked are the absolute best-case scenarios for that candidate. But privately funded polls can't run twenty polls of the same state to get one outlier; campaigns can and do poll states that often. It's literally inevitable that Romney would have SOME internal showing him with a lead in Ohio for the campaign to leak; that's just a byproduct of the amount of polling they do. If Romney leaked ALL his internals and that was the MEDIAN, that would matter.

 

[Wheeljack539]

Ok, I already have the correct topic:

POLIGAF |OT| The Dream is Dead, Romney's Reign Of Terror Begins... NOW!

Why not have the thread but no title other than POLIGAF until after the election is decided?

 

[The Lamonster]

Yep. My source confirmed it who works for the Obama campaign

Is this a joke or what are you talking about

 

[BrokenFiction]

Also: Someone should make an early PoliGAF topic now, or else we'll be scrambling in the middle of Election Day fever to get a new one up. Posts are going to be coming a mile a minute tomorrow.

Wasn't it going to be POLIGAF |OT| A Thousand Years of Liberal Darkness ?

 

[Blergmeister]

POLIGAF OT - Sensible discussion on the sequester cuts

 

[Amir0x]

Do you think it should be a Poligaf thread or just forced into the Election OT in the OT?

PoliGAF has earned their own Election Day topic, I'd say. We've been here every step of the way

Wasn't it going to be POLIGAF |OT| A Thousand Years of Liberal Darkness ?

Yeah, the early consensus was

PoliGAF 2012 |OT6| Year 1 of 1000 Years of Darkness

 

[pigeon]

Yeah, and people like yourself or I have no issues picking up on that - but I just think in general they need to be more transparent, so I don't get texts from friends saying the sky is falling or the world is bitchin' because their poll of choice stated X.

Basically, you just want them to be less spinnable? I'm definitely down with that. Anything that might reduce spin is a plus for me.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Is this a joke or what are you talking about

No joke.

Per my previous post on the matter:

Welp, I have some bad news. I know someone who's father's ex-wife's gay brother's lover secretly works for the Obama campaign and he has stated that Obama is down by 3 points in Ohio, 2 in Penn, and 1 in Virginia

 

[TacticalFox88]

One more day. ONE MORE FUCKING day.

God fucking damn, this election being over is about six months overdue.

 

[Officerrob]

WTF......

Do you expect the Romney campaign to "leak" internals that show him losing? This is strategy, and nothing more

 

[Deleted member 47027]

I guess I still am wondering how you mean. Most polls break it down extensively - male or female, Democrat, Republican or Independent, hispanic, white, or African American, etc - and then tell us how many respondents went for each candidate based on whether they are likely to vote, or if they're just registered to vote.

What data would you like to see included that is not already included in almost every poll?

They release pdf files showing every single data point!

What I meant (and I wasn't clear enough earlier) is to make it more transparent for people who don't read the fine print - or even the not-fine print, but the braindead morons that don't actually process what the polls say.

There may not be a solution for that at all, however, because people are gonna look for what they want to see and spout it as fact. I guess it's a no-win.

 

[Incognito]

Final national ABC/WaPo poll:

50 Obama
47 Romney

http://t.co/3phkHRuL

 

[HylianTom]

Welp, I have some bad news. I know someone who's father's ex-wife's gay brother's lover secretly works for the Obama campaign and he has stated that Obama is down by 3 points in Ohio, 2 in Penn, and 1 in Virginia

 

[Averon]

How was the mood at the workplace today, Amir0x? Your co-workers still sure Obummer's done tomorrow?

 

[The Lamonster]

No joke.

Per my previous post on the matter:

Why would internal polls be so different than most other polls? Is there a different methodology or something?

 

[DietRob]

We need an |OT| Republican Voter Fraud

This shit is getting ridiculous.

The Willamette Week newspaper reported the election worker filled in Republican bubbles on ballots where preferences had been left empty by voters in the county, which primarily comprises Portland suburbs.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=498500

 

[BobTheFork]

<3 the folks at PPP. Such a good sense of humor.

It was great last night to see them re-tweeting all of the best/worse insults they got. The guy telling them to go into the garage and jerk off to an Obama picure was the best by far.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Final national ABC/WaPo poll:

50 Obama
47 Romney

http://t.co/3phkHRuL

I wouldn't trust those numbers, folks. My source has confirmed that Romney is up nationally. He states that Gallup is closer to reality.

 

[Brinbe]

Final national ABC/WaPo poll:

50 Obama
47 Romney

http://t.co/3phkHRuL

tie

But it would be hilarious if Romney ended up winning around 47% of the PV. And Bams now up in Columbus.

 

[XenodudeX]

Final national ABC/WaPo poll:

50 Obama
47 Romney

http://t.co/3phkHRuL

DEAD HEAT

 

[Deleted member 47027]

We need an |OT| Republican Voter Fraud

This shit is getting ridiculous.

Can we have it "Voter Fraud OT" instead of specifying Republican? So many of those are hearsay and then picked up on outlets dying for clicks.

I have too much faith in people

 

[Black Mamba]

I wouldn't trust those numbers, folks. My source has confirmed that Romney is up nationally. He states that Gallup is closer to reality.

please stop.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

please stop.

If PD is able to troll away the entire thread for months, then I don't have any problem doing it for 24 hours.

 

[Amir0x]

How was the mood at the workplace today, Amir0x? Your co-workers still sure Obummer's done tomorrow?

Literally within 5 seconds of sitting down in my office I had Gary O'Toole and his friend rush in to YELL AT ME in the most obnoxious fashion over and over:

"Obama is down is Ohio.
He's down in Florida, in North Carolina.
He's done in Virginia, in Iowa, in New Hampshire.
He might even come near death in Pennsylvania!"

Then I informed him about the state of the polls, which he uniformly denied even existed, and then we started arguing loudly about Republican voter suppression efforts, to which they ended by yelling at my repeatedly about how early voting is against the constitution.

It got so heated that he tried to end it by betting me $100 bucks Romney would win, but I could not take that bet. I'd get fired for betting on the Election at work anyway.

Final national ABC/WaPo poll:

50 Obama
47 Romney

http://t.co/3phkHRuL

Dat trendline

 

[eBay Huckster]

man, obama's voice sounds a bit scratchy right now

maybe it's just the stream

 

[HylianTom]

Obama now speaking in Ohio! Enjoy it, 'cause it's one of his last ones.. until he hits the campaign trail for the Dems' next nominee.