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[Pallas]

I just realized that there is a brand no one is talking about when we talk about sales. Tired of hearing about only Sony and Nintendo. What's happening?

Make a thread about it then.

 

[Hoppa]

I'm not saying it won't be a great selling console—maybe even the best, but the most useful metric here is total units sold. Sony is likely taking a loss on these systems. Their concern is getting millions of consoles out to the market so they can sell each of those units a bunch of games, subscriptions, and digital currencies because that is where the real money is for platform holders . My only point here is that bragging about dollars sold strongly suggests that they are behind in total units sold.

I love the products put out by Sony and Nintendo and strongly wish to see both succeed. I generally don't care about Microsoft's offerings in the gaming space, but I want them to succeed, too. A stronger industry as a whole makes for better games for everyone, but Sony appears to be behind on their units sold compared to where other consoles have been at the moment. It's still a matter of question how that will translate to total sales over the generation.

They didn't brag about it though so what's the actual point?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Looks like Sony fans are taking the Bethesda news exceedingly hard.

Condolences to them. Congratulations Nintendo

Mate, it's not even in the top 20 most sold games, so temper your expectations:

Rank		2020 Top 20 Games (Physical and Full Game Digital from the Nintendo eShop, PlayStation, STEAM and Xbox platforms for publishers in the Digital Leader Panel) ranked on dollar sales	Publisher
1		Call of Duty: Black Ops: Cold War	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
2		Call of Duty: Modern Warfare	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
3		Animal Crossing: New Horizons*	Nintendo
4		Madden NFL 21	Electronic Arts
5		Assassin's Creed: Valhalla	Ubisoft
6		The Last of Us: Part II	Sony (Corp)
7		Ghost of Tsushima	Sony (Corp)
8		Mario Kart 8: Deluxe*	Nintendo
9		Super Mario 3D All-Stars*	Nintendo
10		Final Fantasy VII: Remake	Square Enix Inc (Corp)
11		Marvel's Avengers	Square Enix Inc (Corp)
12		Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales	Sony (Corp)
13		NBA 2K21*	Take 2 Interactive (Corp)
14		Super Smash Bros. Ultimate*	Nintendo
15		FIFA 21	Electronic Arts
16		Mortal Kombat 11	Warner Bros. Interactive
17		Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot	Bandai Namco Entertainment
18		MLB: The Show 20	Sony (Corp)
19		Cyberpunk 2077*	Warner Bros. Interactive
20		Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
		* Digital sales not included

No one cares about your Bethesda fetish, you have enough threads to celebrate about it.

 

[Bittermich]

Mate, it's not even in the top 20 most sold games, so temper your expectations:

Rank		2020 Top 20 Games (Physical and Full Game Digital from the Nintendo eShop, PlayStation, STEAM and Xbox platforms for publishers in the Digital Leader Panel) ranked on dollar sales	Publisher
1		Call of Duty: Black Ops: Cold War	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
2		Call of Duty: Modern Warfare	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
3		Animal Crossing: New Horizons*	Nintendo
4		Madden NFL 21	Electronic Arts
5		Assassin's Creed: Valhalla	Ubisoft
6		The Last of Us: Part II	Sony (Corp)
7		Ghost of Tsushima	Sony (Corp)
8		Mario Kart 8: Deluxe*	Nintendo
9		Super Mario 3D All-Stars*	Nintendo
10		Final Fantasy VII: Remake	Square Enix Inc (Corp)
11		Marvel's Avengers	Square Enix Inc (Corp)
12		Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales	Sony (Corp)
13		NBA 2K21*	Take 2 Interactive (Corp)
14		Super Smash Bros. Ultimate*	Nintendo
15		FIFA 21	Electronic Arts
16		Mortal Kombat 11	Warner Bros. Interactive
17		Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot	Bandai Namco Entertainment
18		MLB: The Show 20	Sony (Corp)
19		Cyberpunk 2077*	Warner Bros. Interactive
20		Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
		* Digital sales not included

No one cares about your Bethesda fetish, you have enough threads to celebrate about it.

nice to see one of the best selling Sony games coming to XBOX. Very generous of them.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

nice to see one of the best selling Sony games coming to XBOX. Very generous of them.

Sharing is caring.

 

[phil_t98]

Both Xboxs?

yeah but let's face it the one that's in the most demand is the series x, let's not pretend that's the one

 

[phil_t98]

Sharing is caring.

If only that were true. Then there be none of this console war business

 

[Bo_Hazem]

If only that were true. Then there be none of this console war business

Actually Sony was forced to go multiplats on that as the game has no competitors for MLB.

 

[Team Andromeda]

It was a great console, what is your point ?

It was and I was one of them who bought it on its launch (USA).
But doing well in the 1st few months doesn't always pay off in the long term, which is very much the case for the Cube and PSP launches in the UK

 

[Panajev2001a]

It was and I was one of them who bought it on its launch (USA).
But doing well in the 1st few months doesn't always pay off in the long term, which is very much the case for the Cube and PSP launches in the UK

PSP globally did quite well (bought it at launch myself too, never got the refreshes), sold well over 60 Million Units (was it like 80 Million in the end?).

Then again how does this tie to PS5? Is this "do not look too much into PS sales V2.0" ?

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I just want my exclusives. Bc thats all I buy.

 

[Zoro7]

I just want my exclusives. Bc thats all I buy.

That's a pretty shitty outlook on gaming.

 

[Outrunner]

Mate, it's not even in the top 20 most sold games, so temper your expectations:

Rank		2020 Top 20 Games (Physical and Full Game Digital from the Nintendo eShop, PlayStation, STEAM and Xbox platforms for publishers in the Digital Leader Panel) ranked on dollar sales	Publisher
1		Call of Duty: Black Ops: Cold War	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
2		Call of Duty: Modern Warfare	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
3		Animal Crossing: New Horizons*	Nintendo
4		Madden NFL 21	Electronic Arts
5		Assassin's Creed: Valhalla	Ubisoft
6		The Last of Us: Part II	Sony (Corp)
7		Ghost of Tsushima	Sony (Corp)
8		Mario Kart 8: Deluxe*	Nintendo
9		Super Mario 3D All-Stars*	Nintendo
10		Final Fantasy VII: Remake	Square Enix Inc (Corp)
11		Marvel's Avengers	Square Enix Inc (Corp)
12		Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales	Sony (Corp)
13		NBA 2K21*	Take 2 Interactive (Corp)
14		Super Smash Bros. Ultimate*	Nintendo
15		FIFA 21	Electronic Arts
16		Mortal Kombat 11	Warner Bros. Interactive
17		Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot	Bandai Namco Entertainment
18		MLB: The Show 20	Sony (Corp)
19		Cyberpunk 2077*	Warner Bros. Interactive
20		Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2	Activision Blizzard (Corp)
		* Digital sales not included

No one cares about your Bethesda fetish, you have enough threads to celebrate about it.

Just out of curiosity what's the source?

 

[Woopah]

I just realized that there is a brand no one is talking about when we talk about sales. Tired of hearing about only Sony and Nintendo. What's happening?

The sales data we get is not the type that favours Xbox. If we got weekly hardware data from the US, UK and LatAm then we'd see more positive Xbox news.

I'm not saying it won't be a great selling console—maybe even the best, but the most useful metric here is total units sold. Sony is likely taking a loss on these systems. Their concern is getting millions of consoles out to the market so they can sell each of those units a bunch of games, subscriptions, and digital currencies because that is where the real money is for platform holders . My only point here is that bragging about dollars sold strongly suggests that they are behind in total units sold.

I love the products put out by Sony and Nintendo and strongly wish to see both succeed. I generally don't care about Microsoft's offerings in the gaming space, but I want them to succeed, too. A stronger industry as a whole makes for better games for everyone, but Sony appears to be behind on their units sold compared to where other consoles have been at the moment. It's still a matter of question how that will translate to total sales over the generation.

This isn't a Sony press release, it's data straight from NPD which tracks both dollar and NPD sales. There's no bragging going on.

 

[Mr Moose]

Just out of curiosity what's the source?

NPD

NPD reveals the best-selling games of 2020 in the U.S.

The best-selling games of 2020 features a lot of Call of Duty, Nintendo, and other familiar names as sales soared through the year.

venturebeat.com

 

[phil_t98]

Actually Sony was forced to go multiplats on that as the game has no competitors for MLB.

Yeah we know it was forced but is that a bad thing

 

[Woo-Fu]

Okay how much of those sales comes from actual consumers and not scrapers?

Unless you're trying to imply that scalpers are sitting on a massive inventory of PS5 units that they can't move your distinction is meaningless in this context.

Interestingly enough if you really do count the impact of scalpers the PS5 numbers would be even higher in terms of dollars spent since you'd have to add the premiums they're charging into the final figure.

 

[Team Andromeda]

PSP globally did quite well (bought it at launch myself too, never got the refreshes), sold well over 60 Million Units (was it like 80 Million in the end?).

Then again how does this tie to PS5? Is this "do not look too much into PS sales V2.0" ?

Mainly because I don't think the actual figures are impressive as say the PS2 launch. Where to me everyone and their mum wanted and got one

 

[Oddvintagechap]

That's a pretty shitty outlook on gaming.

Nope. Playstation (and Nintendo) exclusives is all I need in life. Gaming wise.

 

[anothertech]

Xbox dudes still traumatized by Craig. SMH

Gratz Sony.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Mainly because I don't think the actual figures are impressive as say the PS2 launch. Where to me everyone and their mum wanted and got one

Console draughts and stores offering lottery systems well... I do not know you or your mum, but well ...

 

[FatKingBallman]

But...Sony is losing more money on the ps5 than nintendo on the switch

But was Switch profitable at launch and post launch?? If would be a failure if Switch alone isn't profitable after 4 years on the market.

 

[dcmk7]

It means they not selling as many consoles due to supply issues still restricted so they spinning it by saying taking more money than befor

What exactly is the problem with that?

We are in a global pandemic after all. To break any sort of all time records is impressive none the less right? Without supply constraints it's widely assumed that number of units would have been smashed too.

Are you concerned with the sales figures?

 

[FatKingBallman]

Both Xboxs?

yeah but let's face it the one that's in the most demand is the series x, let's not pretend that's the one

Series X surely, Series S not so much. S is selling harder. In my country S is finally sold out few weeks ago, was available on shelfs since last Xmas. Also mentioned here on this board and provided a month ago links with availability of XSS.

 

[phil_t98]

What exactly is the problem with that?

We are in a global pandemic after all. To break any sort of all time records is impressive none the less right? Without supply constraints it's widely assumed that number of units would have been smashed too.

Are you concerned with the sales figures?

Where has I said it was a problem? I said it's spin on sales that's it. It's impressive

 

[Team Andromeda]

Console draughts and stores offering lottery systems well... I do not know you or your mum, but well ...

Yes but console droughts and lottery systems aren't that new either. I remember it happing with the 360.Still its nice to see this gen off to a great start for sales, bolds well for developer support

 

[Kerotan]

But what steps does Sony need to take to stay competitive with xbox?

 

[Sejan]

They didn't brag about it though so what's the actual point?

This isn't a Sony press release, it's data straight from NPD which tracks both dollar and NPD sales. There's no bragging going on.

NPD is a private company looking to sell their data. This is bragging to make their data sound even better than it may or may not be.

"PS5 is doing well, but it's still behind the Wii/Switch/PS2/whatever" doesn't sell data nearly as well as "most dollars ever sold"

All I'm saying is that I believe this data is being framed in a way to make it look better than it possibly is.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

NPD is a private company looking to sell their data. This is bragging to make their data sound even better than it may or may not be.

"PS5 is doing well, but it's still behind the Wii/Switch/PS2/whatever" doesn't sell data nearly as well as "most dollars ever sold"

All I'm saying is that I believe this data is being framed in a way to make it look better than it possibly is.

The hell are you even talking about? They always report on which console is doing best by both metrics. Before the PS5 it was the Switch, before the Switch it was the PS4.

They're not trying to frame data in any way. They're providing facts. It's as simple as that.

 

[prinz_valium]

That article is wrong.
Xbox One was then previous record holder for highest dollar sales in the first 4 months.

Not the Switch.
The Switch sold even less units for a lower price

 

[SLB1904]

But what steps does Sony need to take to stay competitive with xbox?

Didnt you heard? Playstation days are counted

 

[VAVA Mk2]

According to Mat from NPD, yes it is.

Dollar value sold =! units sold. Units sold now are more expensive than they used to be so volume of consoles sold may be less while dollar value is higher. Pretty simple concept.

 

[MoreJRPG]

Still wont sell half the amount of Switches at the end of the day.

 

[LazyParrot]

I just realized that there is a brand no one is talking about when we talk about sales. Tired of hearing about only Sony and Nintendo. What's happening?

Microsoft stopped publishing numbers back in 2015 after it became clear that the beating Sony was giving them in terms of sales wasn't going to stop anytime soon, so there isn't much to talk about.

 

[Sejan]

The hell are you even talking about? They always report on which console is doing best by both metrics. Before the PS5 it was the Switch, before the Switch it was the PS4.

They're not trying to frame data in any way. They're providing facts. It's as simple as that.

Of course they are trying to frame their data in a specific way. It's their entire purpose of business. Information can be both true/accurate and framed in a useful way at the same time.

By looking at dollar sales means the the PS5 could be leading in this area and be significantly behind in unit sales. This could be accurate and PS5 could still be:
50% behind unit sales of the Wii
40% behind unit sales of the Switch
20% behind the unit sales of the PS4

Im not saying the PS5 is a flop. I'm not saying it wouldn't be ahead in unit sales if Sony had a better handle of their stock situation. I am saying that measuring dollar sales alone could be a misleading statistic.

 

[Woopah]

NPD is a private company looking to sell their data. This is bragging to make their data sound even better than it may or may not be.

"PS5 is doing well, but it's still behind the Wii/Switch/PS2/whatever" doesn't sell data nearly as well as "most dollars ever sold"

All I'm saying is that I believe this data is being framed in a way to make it look better than it possibly is.

I really think you're stretching things here. Dollar value is the main metric NPD uses (the top 20 software is based on dollars not units for example) And they give us hardware in dollar sales and unit sales every month.

Ultimately they sell their data based on its accuracy, not on how impressive the numbers are. They tell us that Switch and PS5 have done impressive dollar numbers because they want to show they have accurate data, not to make the consoles look like they are doing better than the really are.

This PS5 stat is just one of many many stats that has come from the latest NPD report.

 

[Thirty7ven]

You would think Nintendo fans of all people would understand what supply limited means to an in demand console such as the PS5.

 

[Flutta]

What a beast!

 

[Sejan]

I really think you're stretching things here. Dollar value is the main metric NPD uses (the top 20 software is based on dollars not units for example) And they give us hardware in dollar sales and unit sales every month.

Ultimately they sell their data based on its accuracy, not on how impressive the numbers are. They tell us that Switch and PS5 have done impressive dollar numbers because they want to show they have accurate data, not to make the consoles look like they are doing better than the really are.

This PS5 stat is just one of many many stats that has come from the latest NPD report.

I know, I'm just saying that only comparing dollar sales gives you a very skewed picture. The units sold compared to dollars sold could easily be misunderstood by as much as 50%. See my last post.

 

[BootsLoader]

?

But of course, how an we talk about console sales and not mention Switch.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Of course they are trying to frame their data in a specific way. It's their entire purpose of business. Information can be both true/accurate and framed in a useful way at the same time.

By looking at dollar sales means the the PS5 could be leading in this area and be significantly behind in unit sales. This could be accurate and PS5 could still be:
50% behind unit sales of the Wii
40% behind unit sales of the Switch
20% behind the unit sales of the PS4

Im not saying the PS5 is a flop. I'm not saying it wouldn't be ahead in unit sales if Sony had a better handle of their stock situation. I am saying that measuring dollar sales alone could be a misleading statistic.

Dude, they're reporting all the statistics they have.

You might have a point if NPD used some type of clickbait headline like "PS5 Fastest Selling Console in US History (asterix), but they're not. They're litterally just reporting on the data they have, like they always do.

You can't report this type of data without it some how being "framed" with your type of mindset.

 

[HeresJohnny]

And yet it has a constant 20+ pages of units for sale on Ebay.

 

[dcmk7]

Looks like Sony fans are taking the Bethesda news exceedingly hard.

Condolences to them. Congratulations Nintendo

This kind of message in the Halo thread leads to a ban. Here's hoping.

 

[Rayderism]

Imagine the sales numbers if everyone who wanted one could actually get one.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

But of course, how an we talk about console sales and not mention Switch.

We could also mention Xbox.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

And yet it has a constant 20+ pages of units for sale on Ebay.

What's your point?

 

[HeresJohnny]

What's your point?

The numbers are meaningless. People who want them can't buy them because they keep getting scalped and re-listed for $800 and up. Many of the people scooping them up don't want a PS5, they want to make a few hundred bucks. We don't know what demand really is at this point and won't for some time.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

The numbers are meaningless. People who want them can't buy them because they keep getting scalped and re-listed for $800 and up. Many of the people scooping them up don't want a PS5, they want to make a few hundred bucks. We don't know what demand really is at this point and won't for some time.

It's getting scalped to no end because demand is high

Same thing with the switch getting scalped.

 

[HeresJohnny]

It's getting scalped to no end because demand is high

Same thing with the switch getting scalped.

Demand is high but supply is also low I'm told because of chip supply, so we don't know what demand really is. It certainly hasn't helped that Sony and retailers have allowed the complete abuse of the online ordering system by scalpers with bots.

 

[SLB1904]

Demand is high but supply is also low I'm told because of chip supply, so we don't know what demand really is. It certainly hasn't helped that Sony and retailers have allowed the complete abuse of the online ordering system by scalpers with bots.

So... you are saying dont read too much into ps5 sales