a 4070 costs almost as much as a pro, even in the EU (min $460 Euro).
more than half the cost of the pro will go into the GPU, why do you think this is a fair comparison at all.
Linus is going to have a field day building towers to compete with that price.the pc master race gaffers are we told you so right now lol
Even a 500 switch 2 will kill this$399 Switch 2's sounding pretty sweet right about now.
Yup. So is Japan. Regional pricing is looking very off.Yeah but how?
Conversion is way off. By almost 200 bucks.
Europe is getting screwed again
the pc master race gaffers are we told you so right now lol
And miss out on things like dx12, direct storage and Dlss, also many games don’t run on proton, ur a funny man, even if you use steam picture mode at start up, you need bring out the mouse and keyboard from time to time, can’t you just admit your wrong and we can move on.
You can absolutely make it like a console
You can literally have the Steam deck OS to your desktop, plug that baby on your TV and boot into a console like interface with a controller.
These prices are not even with any special deals. Just prices today. When you build a PC you spot the parts you want and wait for inevitable price drops. Waiting on good deals and you could turn that one into a full mini-ITX build
So you stay at a digital only console? And dont have plus either i suppose. We already saw in this thread that you get a better pc for a similar price in europe.
And miss out on things like dx12, direct storage and Dlss, also many games don’t run on proton, ur a funny man, even if you use steam picture mode at start up, you need bring out the mouse and keyboard from time to time, can’t you just admit your wrong and we can move on.
James is
PS5 Pro was made just for him
- Digital only
- Don't use online services or play online
- Doesn't want to use stores... outside of Steam if it came to be? To support developers? He wants to pay full price day 1, even though he has no idea what gets to devs in the end.
- Doesn't have an extra controller around, so it makes PC too expensive.
Yes, games need shorter dev cycles and less emphasis on replicating Hollywood. Better framerate and image quality settings are nice, but we're already approaching decade long dev times to the point where nothing is even coming out anymore. But Sony chose its path. Switch 2 will be the place for bailing out of the graphics wars.After Concord, now this?!
I've seen a lot of shit over the years, but man... is Sony FUCKED!
Sony named the PS5 Pro wrongly. They should have named it "Diminishing Returns The Console".
- A hardware upgrade NOBODY asked for.
- No disk drive. Yeah, let's shovel that consumer unfriendly digital future down anybody's throat.
- ABSOLUTELY ridiculous price.
Someone forgot to give Sony the memo that realistic graphics have reached a point of extreme diminishing returns.
Please tell me: how is the PS5 Pro gonna solve the immense problem of too expensive, unsustainable develpment coasts
that's plaguing the industry right now?
I mean, now that the PS5 Pro - allegedly - has double the power, there's even going to be more graphical fidelity nobody's going to be
able to fully use?
Sony needs to fire all of their managers and higher ups. They've clearly lost their minds.
Yes, there was article not so long ago, how they are increasing prices for their <5nm node, which is historical, given that it normally goes lower as the time wents onThis is what happens when TSMC is allowed to hold a monopoly on semiconductor manufacturing for volume production on the bleeding edge process nodes.
TSMC have been progressively increasing wafer pricing, almost eliminating wholesale the costs savings from re-engineering a product for a smaller process node. It's why the base console has seen only price increases since launch and no price drops, and so why the PS5 Pro is launching at this seemingly obscene price.
If nothing changes---and I don't expect it to anytime soon---next-gen is going to be the smallest generational leap in performance in the history of console gaming.
Physical games are way cheaper here even on day 1. No way i am gonna pay the digital tax.It's time for all you "boomers" to move on with the times and stop complaining about a "disk drive" ... we got rid of those decades ago in the PC world and it's perfectly fine.
It's $900+ CAD without the drive.
Someone posted a picture earlier from a canadian guy getting a response from PS CA.
edit:
This is the same company that thought releasing PSVR2 when they did was a good idea.After Concord, now this?!
I've seen a lot of shit over the years, but man... is Sony FUCKED!
Sony named the PS5 Pro wrongly. They should have named it "Diminishing Returns The Console".
- A hardware upgrade NOBODY asked for.
- No disk drive. Yeah, let's shovel that consumer unfriendly digital future down anybody's throat.
- ABSOLUTELY ridiculous price.
Someone forgot to give Sony the memo that realistic graphics have reached a point of extreme diminishing returns.
Please tell me: how is the PS5 Pro gonna solve the immense problem of too expensive, unsustainable develpment coasts
that's plaguing the industry right now?
I mean, now that the PS5 Pro - allegedly - has double the power, there's even going to be more graphical fidelity nobody's going to be
able to fully use?
Sony needs to fire all of their managers and higher ups. They've clearly lost their minds.
and the funny thing is PS brand is way more global than Xbox which is most popular in US/Can/UK where internet is the norm.This is the same company that thought releasing PSVR2 when they did was a good idea.
I'm honestly blown away by how Sony is handling this. It's like they're completely disregarding their most dedicated fans. They know how passionate hardcore gamers are, and how even small gestures of goodwill can turn them into loyal advocates for the brand. But instead, they've taken the opposite approach. They've removed the disc drive—a feature that a lot of hardcore gamers and collectors still care about. And to make it worse, they’re bundling the same Astrobot game as before, with no meaningful updates or cool new features. Yet, they present it like they're doing us a favor. Then there's the price—$699. That’s not just expensive, it pushes the PS5 Pro out of impulse-buy territory and into the absurd, almost reminiscent of the 3DO days. This feels like a complete misstep, especially for the fans who’ve supported them the most.
Roughly 3080 Ti or 4070 Super, but console games are more optimizedSo anyone know what the GPU equivalent is from Nvidia in the PS5 Pro?
Roughly 3080 Ti or 4070 Super, but console games are more optimized
I figure at least some of the intention is to try and keep performance focused players in the PS ecosystem.It’s made for people who primarily play on PlayStation that want a better version of it
If you primarily play on Xbox or PC it is likely not for you
This isn’t hard to understand
And this is before RNDA 4 and Blackwell. One of the big benefits of going console is lesser upfront cost. Now that the gap has been diminished you're left with one premium price for a very specific piece of hardware for gaming and entertainment purposes only.
You can absolutely make it like a console
You can literally have the Steam deck OS to your desktop, plug that baby on your TV and boot into a console like interface with a controller.
These prices are not even with any special deals. Just prices today. When you build a PC you spot the parts you want and wait for inevitable price drops. Waiting on good deals and you could turn that one into a full mini-ITX build
That’s what PS4 Pro was for. One of the execs said they did it so gamers looking for better console performance can go Pro instead of flipping to PCI figure at least some of the intention is to try and keep performance focused players in the PS ecosystem.
Game performance is dropping as the gen wears on and a lot of these people might be tempted to head to PC territory. Cerny's presentation said 75% of people choose performance modes (a lot higher than I expected tbh) and it would serve them well to keep them happy.
Nah, not really...maybe by 50 bucks Europe gets screwed. 799€ is with VAT included. $699 is without.Yeah but how?
Conversion is way off. By almost 200 bucks.
Europe is getting screwed again
I just came back from japan in may . Was there for a month.Yup. So is Japan. Regional pricing is looking very off.
Yeah but gst is 5 percent in many places.Nah, not really...maybe by 50 bucks Europe gets screwed. 799€ is with VAT included. $699 is without.
I was in Hong Kong 10 years ago visiting. I couldn’t believe how cheap and reasonably priced food and stuff was. Taxis were practically free. Wtf? Some stuff was cheaper than Canada converted. I could buy a single beer at a convenience store cheaper than a bottle coming from a 24 pack here.I just came back from japan in may . Was there for a month.
In japan you can eat for virtualy nothing. I saved so much money on food its insane. And thats for 3 people.
So over there at least you can have some savings in your everyday life.
But here?
Nah, not really...maybe by 50 bucks Europe gets screwed. 799€ is with VAT included. $699 is without.
And this is before RNDA 4 and Blackwell. One of the big benefits of going console is lesser upfront cost. Now that the gap has been diminished you're left with one premium price for a very specific piece of hardware for gaming and entertainment purposes only.
The value proposition is is looking kind of sus when you can almost build a near comparative PC with separate components and brands and still come close to the sum of the PS5 Pro - peripherals non withstanding.
I'm more surprised that there are dumb bastards justifying this Ludacris price.
Fucking cuks
RDNA 4 might just topple this debate once and for all since they aim for mid range low prices.
Really? Where? Its 19% in Germany and everywhere else its around 20% as well.Yeah but gst is 5 percent in many places.