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Republican Budget: 2/3 of cuts from programs helping low & middle income Americans
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It doesn't matter. What matters is what they believe.
Yeah, that is what I am thinking too. The economy will definitely be hurting, and will make the lower/middle class suffer. The blame for this will be put on welfare recipients with the label of them being lazy and unwilling to work (even if the majority of them have jobs).
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
What the fuck....
smokeandmirrors
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Most of America already forgot that the republicans threw a hissy fit over people getting healthcare so why would this be any different? It'll pass people will be angry for a bit then they'll be back to voting against their own interests and destroying the country in no time.
PlayALLtheGames
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Now you start to get a sense of just how cluelss many Americans are.
The Republicans have actually convinced people to fight on their behalf (and on the behalf of corporations) to fuck them over. A lot of the people using those low and medium income services are Republicans themselves.
They're literally telling people, "We need to cut programs you use to keep yourself out of complete desperation and we need your help to do it." And people are going along with it. Amazing, isn't it?
Pilgrimzero
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It's funny and Repubs have brainwashed the their masses enough to where if they propose a cut that effects their own followers, those followers will turn around and blame "The Government" when the cuts hit them and the Repubs win twice.
Wreck-It Ralph
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I don't understand how anyone can still vote Republican.
Like... I try not to think of things as black and white, but how can anyone who isn't downright evil keep doing this stuff to screw over the poor and stuff the pockets of the rich?
I don't want to say Republicans are evil, but it's become really hard for me to think otherwise.
Like... I try not to think of things as black and white, but how can anyone who isn't downright evil keep doing this stuff to screw over the poor and stuff the pockets of the rich?
I don't want to say Republicans are evil, but it's become really hard for me to think otherwise.
Fenderputty
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This budget is basically a repeat of the Paul Ryan budget that we've been seeing for years isn't it? The only thing in there that consistently pisses people off is the medicare voucher. Which they conveniently don't even put in place until 10 years or so after the budget passes because they don't want to piss off the currently elderly.
I mean, if you vote Democrat, you're supporting a Muslim, who's a terrorist, who is giving handouts to poor minorities who use it for drugs, I mean you've seen the video of them rioting. You don't want that in YOUR backyard, do you?
*old man sitting on a lazyboy clutches chest in fear*
AstroNut325
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I'm willing to entertain this budget if the originators are able to provide repeatable, empirical means of justifying this:
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Pretty much every government program serves low and middle income citizens since upper-crust types just buy whatever they need on their own. If they cut anything its gonna cut those services.
AstroNut325
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Mortgage interest deductions?
Fenderputty
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This would greatly hurt me. I'm not crusty upper class. The tax code would need some serious working over to make sure middle and lower class family wouldn't be hurt by the removal of the mortgage deduction.
Fear and ignorance mostly. I'm sorry, Gaf Republicans, but your party's platform is shit. No, both parties are not the same and saying that line sure as hell doesn't absolve you of voting for these assholes and their policies. I used to think CPAC was just a gathering of the fringe lunatics in the party until I realized that those fringe lunatics are the ones running for President and setting public policy.
The Technomancer
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Its an axiom that these services are just allowing people to sit around without working, and that by cutting them what they're really doing is motivating people to get back to work and go out and find jobs
AstroNut325
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I was replying with respect to the claim that there aren't any programs that the upper class gets benefits from. Mortgage interest deductions is one that is hugely beneficial to the upper middle class and upper class more than anybody else. I'm not saying, explicitly or implicitly, that the mortgage interest deductions should be removed. Perhaps the benefit needs to be reduced for the upper class.
Tal Shiar Agent
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These people need to take their trust funds and kickbacks and shove them up their asses.
We should be expanding social programs, not cutting them. As it stands right now a single mother of 3 making less than $25k can only get enough food stamp money to cover maybe a third of their monthly groceries. With food prices increasing due to California's drought, this is only going to get worse.
Take from the rich and give to the poor, by force if necessary.
We should be expanding social programs, not cutting them. As it stands right now a single mother of 3 making less than $25k can only get enough food stamp money to cover maybe a third of their monthly groceries. With food prices increasing due to California's drought, this is only going to get worse.
Take from the rich and give to the poor, by force if necessary.
I would post something in here, but honestly I don't see the point. There haven't really been any rational comments or replies about this, and I would just get bombarded for saying certain things (partial republican here) so I guess I will just let this topic die and not stir the flames.
There's hypocrisy on both sides, dems and repubs; repubs are not all evil and against people.
Maybe it's just a mindset, I don't like seeing my money go to free handouts, and yes I understand some need, literally need the hell, and I have no problem helping those people. While the areas in the budget cuts may not be the biggest offenders of creating our debt, you have to start somewhere.
You can accomplish a lot with hard work, and bigger issues lie behind these budget cuts besides just cutting Medicaid.
- Our healthcare still needs reform, it's still ridiculous what hospitals get away with charging, along with pharmaceuticals
- government doesn't make kids go to college, we choose to, and we don't have to take out loans, but we do. Make colleges get rid of their BS fees and stop overcharging
- food stamp budget should be revised and better monitored so it is not abused, which it probably is most of the time, and no I don't have any figures on hand, just by what I see and have seen first hand, most people are abusing it or don't have to be on it, but they do it because they can work less and get things for free, or not work at all
These issues extend way past party lines, I just get tired of hearing sides lambast the other and stereotype, while claiming to be open minded while doing it
Edit: I guess I decided to post anyways : P
There's hypocrisy on both sides, dems and repubs; repubs are not all evil and against people.
Maybe it's just a mindset, I don't like seeing my money go to free handouts, and yes I understand some need, literally need the hell, and I have no problem helping those people. While the areas in the budget cuts may not be the biggest offenders of creating our debt, you have to start somewhere.
You can accomplish a lot with hard work, and bigger issues lie behind these budget cuts besides just cutting Medicaid.
- Our healthcare still needs reform, it's still ridiculous what hospitals get away with charging, along with pharmaceuticals
- government doesn't make kids go to college, we choose to, and we don't have to take out loans, but we do. Make colleges get rid of their BS fees and stop overcharging
- food stamp budget should be revised and better monitored so it is not abused, which it probably is most of the time, and no I don't have any figures on hand, just by what I see and have seen first hand, most people are abusing it or don't have to be on it, but they do it because they can work less and get things for free, or not work at all
These issues extend way past party lines, I just get tired of hearing sides lambast the other and stereotype, while claiming to be open minded while doing it
Edit: I guess I decided to post anyways : P
balladofwindfishes
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If Welfare and Food Stamps are a gravy train towards doing nothing all day and being lazy, why would anyone work, at all?
Think about it
Also it's incredibly dangerous to believe your feelings are fact. What you said isn't fact at all, the vast majority of food stamp users rely on food stamps just to get by and is one of the least wasteful programs in the United States.
SenorArdilla
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Fenderputty
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HAHAHH ...
I have no evidence that food stamps are abused. But they are. I know it. I have anecdotal evidence to support my already existing confirmation bias.
Stay and debate if you feel you're being unfairly dumped on. I would love to see what else you're going to offer up.
I'm not in a mood to dice and cut a post, so I'll just do this:
This right here, to answer a few questions, is why tons of people vote Republican still despite their policies hurting a majority of the country. Gut feeling and emotion despite evidence to the contrary.
This right here, to answer a few questions, is why tons of people vote Republican still despite their policies hurting a majority of the country. Gut feeling and emotion despite evidence to the contrary.
The right doesn't listen to fact based reasoning, anyway, so any data presented is just preaching to the choir
CharlieDigital
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That's a very naive way to look at government spending.
Who do you think that the US military benefits the most? The wealthy corporations or low-income individuals? Who has more assets to protect and who has more reason to project American interests abroad?
Who do you think the American legal system benefits the most? The wealthy corporations or low-income individuals? Who has more assets to project and who has more utility of the court and justice systems?
Who do you think benefits the most from federal subsidies to private industries? The wealthy corporations or low-income individuals?
Who do you think benefits the most from a stable market system enabled by trust built on a foundation of (relatively) strong and sound regulations and legal enforcement? The wealthy corporations and individuals or low-income individuals?
Who do you think benefits the most from reliable, well maintained infrastructure to enable commerce? The wealthy corporations and individuals or the low-income Americans?
NYCmetsfan
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I still think its awesome he's now a senator
Because poor people don't vote Republican.
Fenderputty
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Ummm if that were true they would never be in power. Rural poor vote republican plenty.
I wish that were true.
My sister loves up in PA, and there is a pretty poor town that a ton of people are on welfare, and is highly republican. Doesn't make any sense, but it happens. They believe that they are entitled to handouts, but not anyone else.
EDIT: Fixed awful grammar, don't know what I was thinking.
Florida_Man_5000
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While I don't believe it, there's an aspirational context to voting for Republican and against ones own well-being, thinking that you'll one day be rich.
Low intelligent and less educated people vote Republican. In most cases, they are the working poor. Thus, Republicans shit on them, they are too dumb or trapped in a fox news echo chamber to realize, and then vote gop. All the while, Republicans rubs their hands together will glee as they cackle like witches brewing a potion.
It is because somebody somewhere saw someone at sometime buy steak with food stamps, and "There is no way I can afford steak, but they can?!?".
balladofwindfishes
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I think it's a mixture of Religion and the misguided thought that "one day I'll be rich, so why waste money now on stuff I won't need when I'm a millionaire!" And in some communities, I imagine there's a touch of racism, "only those people are poor, I'm not poor!"
Get enough low information religiously motivated voters and this happens.
It is, but it's also a convenient way to hand wave away faults of the Republican party and paint the article as bias.
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The Autumn Wind
Buy steak: "They're abusing the program!!"
Buy junk food: "They're abusing the program!!"
There's literally no winning to some people.
The real question to ask is why they don't get as offended or care as much about other abuses "with their money". Like the military and banks. Lord knows those assholes don't use the money as it was intended and the money given to them dwarfs welfare spending.
Well, I mean the answer is pretty obvious and known, but it's still an interesting question.
I don't think poor people understand or really pay attention to the Republican Party's domestic initiatives. What matters to them is more what is core to them, religion and protection of it, fear of outsiders or others getting things easier than they do. These are things that Republicans pander, truthfully or lies it doesn't matter. They aren't looking for contradictions of facts, they are looking for who says they are believer in God and the cultural values of the people. And to this end they will believe anything they say and will take their position whatever it is because it's about the identity and relating to people who seem most like them.
Fenderputty
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No. Doesn't it have a full obamacare repeal in it too? Lol
unholyrevenger72
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because they're poor.
balladofwindfishes
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It won't be signed by Obama anyway, but it'll probably pass the House/Senate
The repeal of ACA will kill any chance of Obama signing this, let alone the ridiculous and unfair cuts.
speculawyer
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Supply-Side Jesus cracks me up every time.
So, if the arguments are that food stamps users are using food stamps to get food "above their station", what are foods that can be purchased with food stamps that opponents would deem acceptable?
balladofwindfishes
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white bread and ramen packets. Nothing else.
If you use Food Stamps to buy steak... hopefully you like steak because that's all you'll get from your stamps for that week since it's just a debit card with food money on it. I think a lot of anti-food stamp people don't really even know how they work. Like they think you get a coupon for 100% off your entire bill and you can buy whatever you want, flash your stamp, and haul your pile of prime rib and caviar to your trailer.
If you waste money on junk or expensive stuff... that's all you get to eat for the entire week. It's a problem that fixes itself and it's probably why misuse of food stamps is so low.
Coriolanus
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Bread and water. What else does one need?
So viewing it first hand isn't evidence??
You putting figures out you say you retrieved from some document a person posted is more "factual" than what I have seen and experienced first hand? Please tell me you see how ridiculous that sounds. I'm giving my first hand account, saying I am FOR helping people that need it, but see first hand that most abide it, whether its with what they buy, lying on income to receive the benefits, or just plain being lazy so they can get free food
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