GrayChild
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Yamaoka is back for the OST. It's gonna be a mixture of rearranged original tracks plus some new ones.
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Silent Hill 2 Remake releases October 8th 2024! | State of Play
Yamaoka is back for the OST. It's gonna be a mixture of rearranged original tracks plus some new ones.
GrayChild
Member
This.
I'd go as far as to say that not even most Japanese studios can match the feel of the original 3 (or 4) games. The best Silent Hill entries are not just a product of their time, but also of a very specific group of people capturing a lightning in a bottle.
We already saw American, British and Czech studios doing their takes on the franchise and failing to match the original Team Silent games. And then... we also had a very poor Japanese-made installment in "The Short Message" to prove that Ito and Yamaoka can't make a masterpiece on their own. People often downplay how integral Owaku, Toyama, Murakoshi, Sato and Tsuboyama were for the franchise.
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FunkMiller
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There is literally no good reason (apart from being fucking cheap) that Konami couldn't have approached Bokeh Game Studio to make the next Silent Hill game.
Can you imagine how much more hype would have been generated by that announcement than 'the devs who made that medicore Medium game are remaking Silent Hill 2'?
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tommib
Banned
Yeah I take back shitting on this until I saw the gameplay video. Game’s looking good. It will never rise to the originals because those are just impossible to match but this is turning into its own thing and I have hope.
Badlucktroll
Member
Yeah this legit looks like their best game
Denton
Member
I don't believe in this metaphysical mumbo jumbo. Hell, there already are two very solid western SH games with Shattered Memories and Downpour. Of course it is possible Bloober will still fuck it up, but that doesn't mean non-japanese developers anywhere are utterly incapable of making good SH game or remaking SH2.
Killer8
Member
Looked great, i'm glad Bloober could finally put their best foot forward with some extended footage. The town exploration has been done extremely well, almost how I imagined a Silent Hill from the far future could look back in 2002. The characterization is unexpectedly great thanks to the voice acting, really capturing that more natural delivery from the original rather than the anime-tier over-acting from Troy Baker and co in the HD Collection.
I think the controversy over Angela's design is possible just due to the lighting in that particular scene of the trailer as she looks how i'd expect in this gif (and she wasn't meant to be a supermodel anyway):
I think the criticism has gotten to the point that it's now just 'fans' being such jaded fucking bastards that even a pretty competent looking remake, and possibly the best traditional looking SH release since SH4, is being shit on over such pettiness. The Resident Evil remakes like RE2 and RE4 get a ton of praise and themselves had some similar concessions in minor areas like character design, yet when this gets a similar quality of treatment it gets mercilessly shit on. Double standards out the ass.
I think the controversy over Angela's design is possible just due to the lighting in that particular scene of the trailer as she looks how i'd expect in this gif (and she wasn't meant to be a supermodel anyway):
I think the criticism has gotten to the point that it's now just 'fans' being such jaded fucking bastards that even a pretty competent looking remake, and possibly the best traditional looking SH release since SH4, is being shit on over such pettiness. The Resident Evil remakes like RE2 and RE4 get a ton of praise and themselves had some similar concessions in minor areas like character design, yet when this gets a similar quality of treatment it gets mercilessly shit on. Double standards out the ass.
GrayChild
Member
Shattered Memories was painfully mediocre, apart from its cool psychological profiling system. Not to mention how it was basically a precursor of the modern run/hide-and-seek sims, and had the most braindead puzzles I've seen in a horror game.
Downpour was a mish-mash of ideas that really didn't gel together. Adding an unnecessary and poorly thought-out open-world design in a series that doesn't need it, its plethora of glaring technical issues, the atrocious combat system that was at times even clunkier than the PS1 original, and a plot that often contradicts itself, and you're left with a game that was 6/10 at best.
MiguelItUp
Member
This very well could be, and honestly it NEEDS to be. I know their portfolio is a mixed bag, but with all of the attention this is getting if it fails in anyway it won't be good for them I'm sure.
To be fair, to each their own, but I don't think it's fair to consider Shattered Memories or Downpour as "very solid." Shattered Memories was received better than Downpour from what I can remember, but they never carried the same weight as the original 3 (or 4 really) at all.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If you've played The Medium, you can clearly see that it's their audition tape for a Silent Hill like project.
Badlucktroll
Member
I want a Japanese Silent Hill AAA game, but what would it be? Silent Hill souls? The best games were on PS2, but games arent like that anymore. Its evolving with the times. Same way Resident Evil 1 and 4 are different.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
I think it's just a crapshoot with SH games anyway. Konami very, very obviously has zero interest in quality, thought or any actual direction for the franchise. The recent revival is just throwing the name of SH against the low bidder wall and seeing what sticks. Think about the fact the first release in line was that fucking online interactive story dumpster fire. Someone over there saw REmake's success and realized hey, don't we have one of those like...Horror games...let's get money.
They're not going to give a shit who makes any of this. The logo on the box is the only important part. I assume the reason Blooper is doing SH2 is because they already made a complete SH rip, dropped their pants budget proposal wise as "mega fans" and done.
The whole SH revival is as cynical of a cash grab as it can possibly be, any decent game that comes out of that will be by chance on Konami's part imo. They're not Nintendo overseeing Metroid: Prime by the sound of it.
They're not going to give a shit who makes any of this. The logo on the box is the only important part. I assume the reason Blooper is doing SH2 is because they already made a complete SH rip, dropped their pants budget proposal wise as "mega fans" and done.
The whole SH revival is as cynical of a cash grab as it can possibly be, any decent game that comes out of that will be by chance on Konami's part imo. They're not Nintendo overseeing Metroid: Prime by the sound of it.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
What is truly baffling, is that a great majority of people complaining about this and calling the original SH2 a classic, have likely never played it, emulation or otherwise.
I mean we're going on the better part of 3 decades...
This is akin to REmake coming out and saying it looks horrible and if you really want to experience it, go back and play the PS1 classic.
I replayed SH2 and 3 this year, and 3 was great but 2 was damn near unplayable. Gameplay is/was shit... that damn wooden board.
Anyways, I'm excited and had zero hype or faith prior to this latest transmission.
This effort by Bloober looks amazing, and anyone saying otherwise is part of the problem, and the reason we can't have nice things.
I mean we're going on the better part of 3 decades...
This is akin to REmake coming out and saying it looks horrible and if you really want to experience it, go back and play the PS1 classic.
I replayed SH2 and 3 this year, and 3 was great but 2 was damn near unplayable. Gameplay is/was shit... that damn wooden board.
Anyways, I'm excited and had zero hype or faith prior to this latest transmission.
This effort by Bloober looks amazing, and anyone saying otherwise is part of the problem, and the reason we can't have nice things.
Matsuchezz
Member
I was watching the gameplay trailer and it looks fucking sweet also liked how they are changing stuff like where James finds the radio for the very first time. And health items are in more logical places than just laying in The ground. Graphically looks really good. They have a few more months to polish it.
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FunkMiller
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Shattered Memories was passable, but Downpour was utter shit. It is absolutely worse when made by western devs.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
You mean you never grabbed a bottle of medicine from some random staircase and used it to heal your wounds?
Denton
Member
Completely disagree, Downpour had great atmosphere and the added exploration and sidemissions added a lot to the experience. Shame it never got PC version.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Was she meant to be then?
FunkMiller
Member
OK, I guess. But you're very much in the minority with that opinion. None of the western developed Silent Hill games have reviewed that well or sold well. One of the reasons why the franchise was dead for so long. Konami's mismanagement is legendary.
FunkMiller
Member
I guess the closest we'll get to knowing that will be Slitterhead.
Killer8
Member
I wouldn't go as far as to call it unplayable but combat specifically was always a weak point in Silent Hill. It's a big reason why Konami's decision to do a combat trailer a few months ago was extremely retarded. That said, the remake looks leagues ahead of the original in at least that area:
vs
It's Homecoming combat but meatier and doesn't animate like a dance battle.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Konami is "potentially porting" the Silent Hill series to current-gen consoles
Konami is reportedly "potentially porting" the Silent Hill series to contemporary consoles.
www.eurogamer.net
NeverYouMind
Member
Watch them bundle the HD Collection and authentic PS1 emulated version in this release to the benefit of no one.Konami is "potentially porting" the Silent Hill series to current-gen consoles
Konami is reportedly "potentially porting" the Silent Hill series to contemporary consoles.
Hudo
Member
Don't jinx it!
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Hell yeah, Downpour is my favorite SH
Corporal.Hicks
Member
I recently played this game on my PSPvita and really enjoyed it, but please tell me why I should not like it
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Most likely, but they went back and fixed a lot things with MGS HD Collection which was nothing compared to what was wrong with the SH Collection.
So maybe they do the same
NeverYouMind
Member
It has worse combat than the PS1 original. The weapon swings are not as dependable, weapons break, downed enemy stomp rarely works, and guns are less accurate and do less damage. It is alright on a New Game Plus run with some accolade weapons though if you avoid all the junk pickups and hightail it to key items.I recently played this game on my PSPvita and really enjoyed it, but please tell me why I should not like it
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Badlucktroll
Member
If they leave 4 out of the next collection they need to atleast put it in Ps2 classics on ps5
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I can see them doing SH1/2/3 and Origins
A Collection V2 would probably be SH4/SHH/SHD with Shattered Memories.
Or they may do all 4 instead and leave it at that
Moriarty1889
Member
Maybe or maybe not. The problem, if you have been watching what’s going on in western gaming, is that female characters have been made to look much less feminine anymore. There is no denying that unless you need glasses. It is very clear her face has been altered to where her chin looks like a man’s. Plenty of people have noticed this as well as myself. That is why this gets called out as much as it does because it is so blatant and obvious.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Which is odd because they're in Poland. Must be the Austin, Texas of Poland location.
Rumors are circulating. They updated the Steam database for Homecoming with HD logo and high-res cover photos. So, some are speculating the PS360 version of that collection may be getting the MG treatment.
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Nemesisuuu
Member
This, uh...this town—there's...something wrong with it.
semiconscious
Member
& done. okay, you can all go home, now...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Matsuchezz
Member
Go full in with the remake then visit the original. Graphics were great at the time now they suck.
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Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I know what you mean. The early cut offs of your vision, the insane amount of fog rolling in, and the awkward pauses from going down the wrong street. It’s something that stands out when you’re use to today’s tech. It also super nostalgic or something fun to experience.
I totally get it. There’s reasons I’m super excited for the remake. The graphics are one of them and I’m hoping they nail the locations.
I was playing the original not too long ago and it’s aged more than I would have thought. So has a lot of stuff.
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Erebus
Member
If you play on PC with the community released enhancements and mods, graphics are pretty ok all things considered. It's the controls and combat that are clunky for today's standards, though you wouldn't play a SH game for its combat.
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Vick
Gold Member
Downpour open-world wasn't poorly thought-out at all.
It was masterfully designed in fact, the very best example of its kind at the time. And essential to the game itself, so very much needed as well.
Game problems lied in enemies design, combat and technical issues, all juxtaposed however with plenty of S-Tier elements such as its open-world design.
Removed from Team Silent's legacy offering, as a stand alone title it was a competent western SH obviously made by very passionate people who understood survival horror.
Matsuchezz
Member
This is not true. It looks better i was watching the 4k gameplay trailer and it looks pretty solid graphics and animation the acting is not bad at all.
Matsuchezz
Member
Naah. I love Sh 2 to death the graphics and gameplay will turn people off. Let them experience the remake and then visit the original.
Badlucktroll
Member
It looks like its going to be better than homecoming/downpour and hey i’ll take what i can get
tommib
Banned
Would you recommend this to me, Vick?
It’s expensive on eBay but I got a PS3 and never played it.
Knot3D
Member
If I hear one more millennial/zoomer say "janky" again and again (youtube reactions to this remake) I'm gonna crack some heads.
Look, I don't wanna play the age card for the sake of it, but to understand the bigger picture
and context of SH2's impact you had to be there back in 2001, I was 23 back then.
And this context is that even back then, it was 'janky'. Every seasoned gamer back then was perfectly aware
that is part of what makes it tick.
Impressions so far look decent imo, certainly refreshing enough in the parts where it's desirable.
And besides, they still have some time to polish things up before the master code goes gold.
You guys say boomers and us genX'ers are old men screaming at clouds, but you youngsters are quite the champions at complaining too.
Look, I don't wanna play the age card for the sake of it, but to understand the bigger picture
and context of SH2's impact you had to be there back in 2001, I was 23 back then.
And this context is that even back then, it was 'janky'. Every seasoned gamer back then was perfectly aware
that is part of what makes it tick.
Impressions so far look decent imo, certainly refreshing enough in the parts where it's desirable.
And besides, they still have some time to polish things up before the master code goes gold.
You guys say boomers and us genX'ers are old men screaming at clouds, but you youngsters are quite the champions at complaining too.
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DavidGzz
Gold Member
I played the first and hardly remember it so the sequel will be completely new. No nostalgia, just excitement for a new survival horror game. What can we expect though? Even the amazing Demon's Souls remaster got a lot of hate from some people.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I’d recommend buying the disc loose if you’re going to do it.