Hours Left
Member
She was amazing. Get that lady all the parts ever.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
[SPOILERS] Dangan Ronpa 2 Spoiler Thread | Aloha, Despair!
- Thread starter Nachos
- Start date
Even more impressive that she managed to sing them in a way that suited their respective characters! (at least IMO) And I think she wrote the lyrics to the DR1 ending song....but don't quote me on that.
Wow that's a name I haven't seen in a while
Wow that's a name I haven't seen in a while
She's still around, playing Musashi/Jesse every single week on Pokemon!
I never really understood why Celeste killed people anyway. Her motive was the money so she could buy her castle right? Was being the ultimate gambler not paying enough?
It's been a while so I don't remember a lot about DR1, but weren't they starting to accept that they would never be rescued around this point? For her, it might have been choosing between taking a gamble to achieve her dream or staying stuck in the academy forever. If I remember correctly, she was pretty confident that she would be able to get away with it too.
The Bankslammer
Member
On one hand, it could have had nothing to do with the motive at all. She could have been planning a murder since the beginning, driven either by her desire to escape or, being the Ultimate Gambler, wanting to take risks and outplay others at the game.
On the other hand, we don't really know what her actual life conditions were. It's likely that she has plenty of cash, as it's part of her profession, but she also habitually lied and made up stories about herself. It's possible that a stroke of bad luck hit her and she built up a gambling debt she was in need of repaying.
On the other hand, we don't really know what her actual life conditions were. It's likely that she has plenty of cash, as it's part of her profession, but she also habitually lied and made up stories about herself. It's possible that a stroke of bad luck hit her and she built up a gambling debt she was in need of repaying.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
yea, I thought she made it pretty clear...I liked her until that point, I should've seen it coming.
at least she didnt kill any awesome characters, unlike Mikan
at least she didnt kill any awesome characters, unlike Mikan
dakkumauji
Member
Just by the very notion she was able to convince somebody that her plan was a good idea means she would have gotten away with it.
Hey, go kill someone, then pretend you are dead, move the body around, I'll kill someone, more body swapping and we can all get free, woo!
we're no longer friends
But she had control of her actions unlike Pre-Despair Mikan.
yeah, anyone who kills male characters in DR1 is perfectly fine with me, except Mondo, he can go to hell
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I like where this is going
X
Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
Honestly I disliked most of the DR1 cast, except Sayaka, Junko, Byakuya, Chihiro, Genocide Jill, and Aoi.
Especially Hifumi and Hiro.
Especially Hifumi and Hiro.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
i find the casts overall to be about equal, except kyoko is way better than everyone else
surviving cast from DR1 is far better than DR2 though
She explicitly explains her motive shortly before being executed
In short:
Celeste's true motivations made her an almost repulsive character. A liar and a schemer. Yuck.
What did you expect? That's literally her character, I don't even think we know her real name
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I don't think Kazuichi was the one into the necrophilia.
The one shooting up the people has his hat.
Who's the one that starved himself/herself and the ones who killed his/her parents?
The eyeless guy is obv. Kirigiri.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
You mean Fuyuhiko, right? I'm pretty sure that Kyoko had both eyes when she showed up at the end of DR2
Akane is probably the one that starved, considering how much she eats, so starving would be considered the ultimate despair to her. By process of elimination, Sonia seems to be the one who sold her parents or whatver.
He's in a lab at that point.
If the original Japanese related to doing something with a woman's ovaries than yes, I would guess Mikan.
It doesn't have to be, but I'm pretty sure it's the last five. They all match up pretty well.
It doesn't have to be any of them, too.
dakkumauji
Member
Why care about Junko, he's already the Ultimate Everything~
They all match except for that bottom one.
Well, it's 5 of the 16, so it'd make sense that it's mostly them.
Crash Station
Member
Post-Junko death? Pretty sure he'd be out and about (unless AE reveals something about that).
I didn't really get much into Sonia's social links, and the Wiki doesn't say much, but is there any indication as to why she could've become Ultimate Despair?
And assuming that top image is of her, given the events of the game, I don't see why she would want to go into regicide.
Everyone else I can imagine, but not her.
At least based on the Wiki.
And assuming that top image is of her, given the events of the game, I don't see why she would want to go into regicide.
Everyone else I can imagine, but not her.
At least based on the Wiki.
she was kidnapped a lot as a kid so...
dakkumauji
Member
She basically has a mini-breakdown at her last free time event over the pressures of being trapped on the island. Basically being a princess is probably an extreme toll on her in keeping her appearances as the image of her kingdom. Sounds like an easy target for despair.
One possible reason could be that by giving Junko the thing that's basically causing her stress, she could be free of such a thing or something like that.
If you wanted to be difficult, sure. You don't really think none of them line up, do you?
Would he? I'm hazy on the timeline of that, I guess. My point is Hajime isn't in that art.
I mean that I don't believe it was ever stated that any of those depicted in the pictures were of the DR2 cast, so it could be some, all or none of the survivors.
I don't have an opinion regarding that.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
i think that the people depicted there are most likely randoms and not any of our 16.
However if I were line them up id guess this
Starve - Akane
Parents - Sonia
Shooting - Kazuichi
Eye - Fuyuhiko
Necro - Izuru (We dont really know much of what hajime was like during this period, other than he seemed to look down on people and murdered some very important people. Could be likely the only person he didnt look down on was junko and that led to this)
However if I were line them up id guess this
Starve - Akane
Parents - Sonia
Shooting - Kazuichi
Eye - Fuyuhiko
Necro - Izuru (We dont really know much of what hajime was like during this period, other than he seemed to look down on people and murdered some very important people. Could be likely the only person he didnt look down on was junko and that led to this)
ShadowSoldier89
Member
ive thought that since first seeing the picture
Excluding Junko and possibly Mukuro, she probably had the least empathy between 2 the casts.
Her real name is Taeko Yasuhiro.
EDIT: Knowing Junko, she probably massacred every single person in Nosovelic.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
This, along with the inconsistency with the hair colour/style makes me believe there's no way that's Akane. The person pictured there is either dead as a doornail or far beyond any help (starved people have died before due to their shrivelled stomachs being incapable of containing the amount of food required for them to continue living).
And yeah, I don't necessarily think that the five pictured need to line up with any of the students we know. Wasn't it Fake-oto that told them about those events anyways? For all we know, Junko could've invented those details to make the group doubt themselves and feel like sacks of crap.
Talkin' shit about Ishimaru?
And yeah, I like Celeste's design and personality, but she's just a terrible overall human being. I'm not sure who had the worst reason for killing someone, her or Mikan (Junko's too obvious, so she doesn't count).
Mikan? Mikan lost control of herself. That's s preeeeeetty good reason methinks.
Losing control of herself and reverting back to how she was before the memory wipe are two different things in my opinion. After reverting to her pre-mindwipe self, she purposely killed two people to further Junko's goals. It's pretty heinous.
Edit: That said, the rest of the cast would have done the same if they got their memories back at that time, so it doesn't really compare to Celeste I guess.
dakkumauji
Member
I think the only reason Mikan gets flak for her two murders was that she killed Ibuki. Hell, if she just snapped under Hiyoko's constant bullying and only murdered her, everyone would probably be like yeah that's fine, she deserved it.
There's also that whole despair disease too which probably why most people think her motive is too flimsily to be acceptable.
But yeah, Celeste's motive was the worst reason for a murder and the least sympathetic one out of everyone. Let her burn.
dakkumauji
Member
Moment of weakness.
Mondo basically saw that Chihiro was doing everything he couldn't do. Willing to spill out his secret, attempting to change himself to overcome it, it pretty much caused him to snap.
Sure, he isn't all that high in the sympathetic murderers but he gets points since he didn't really attempt to hide his murder and even attempted to keep Chihiro's secret after his death.
I feel like Gundham's murder is justified if they were all going to die if he didn't do something.
*AE spoilers*
He was still running around at that time.
The Japanese text doesn't mention any ovaries. Going literal, it's something like, "Also, Junko's remains were utilized for the purpose of making children and..." Then Hajime cuts in. It's kind of vague in both languages.
Since the person in the picture is the mysterious culprit person, it really could be anybody.
The culprit in that particular case was Izuru though...
So? It's also true.
That's what it comes down to. He killed Chihiro because of his own weakness.
Yeah, that's the only one I could point to and say "this was justified." They were all going to die anyways if Gundham/Nekomaru didn't take action.
It was due to a couple of reasons. Mondo inadvertently got his brother killed, and used that death as a stepping stone to keep his biker gang together. It was essentially a constant reminder of his "weakness", and the death that it caused. When Chihiro told him about his desire to get stronger, he became intensely jealous of Chihiro for being able to overcome his weakness by himself. That, in addition to the inevitable fact that if a murder hadn't occurred, the truth regarding his brother's death would come to light (I think Monokuma said something along the lines of shouting their secrets to the outside world?) caused him to snap.