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[#Phonepunk#]

Thats one of the main things missing from this trilogy, a sense that the characters care about one another. Han going out in the Hoth snow to rescue Luke is repaid in Luke’s initial & final attempts at rescuing him. Luke’s final act, of course, being saving his own father.

None of the characters in the new trilogy seem to have this love for one another. In fact they are punished from trying to save their friends, look at how Finn is treated at the start of TLJ.

And don’t give me that “save what you love” crap, the bitch is personally responsible for the deaths of Luke Skywalker and most of the Resistence

And Rey could give a shit about anyone not named Ben

 

[Caffeine]

r2d2 was robbed
the whole trilogy
he gets like 4 scenes

 

[Stiflers Mom]

r2d2 was robbed
the whole trilogy
he gets like 4 scenes

We were all robbed.

 

[Ulysses 31]

r2d2 was robbed
the whole trilogy
he gets like 4 scenes

Chewie reduced to an uber driver.
Get's even less recognition from Leia, she hugs Rey, someone who she barely knows at that point over Chewie.

 

[hooijdonk17]

Chewie reduced to an uber driver.
Get's even less recognition from Leia, she hugs Rey, someone who she barely knows at that point over Chewie.

This, was kind of like Jon Snow not saying farewell to Ghost. They were both portents of the awful things to come..

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Chewie reduced to an uber driver.
Get's even less recognition from Leia, she hugs Rey, someone who she barely knows at that point over Chewie.

Luke hears about that his best buddy Han died and isn't even shown mourning.

Damn, they fucked up all these old characters to badly.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

r2d2 was robbed
the whole trilogy
he gets like 4 scenes

When I was a kid I always thought R2 and 3PO would be he only constants, they would outlive the human characters, be around for hundreds of years, that we would see them through so many adventures. The whole journey sort of begins with R2.

Then JJ put him under a fucking sheet LOL

 

[hooijdonk17]

Luke hears about that his best buddy Han died and isn't even shown mourning.

Damn, they fucked up all these old characters to badly.

But why would he mourn Han when "no one's ever really gone."

EDIT: Genuine question to people who actually watched the movie; does the TLJ ending semi-twist about random kids having Force powers actually go anywhere?

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Scene from her killing Palps is on youtube



Coming down soon no doubt.

Good god this is laughably bad

 

[Cleared_Hot]

That really is an amazing quote.

Look, this isn't like Marvel, we can't just ape characters and stories from existing content. It's not like we have an expanded universe of content to pull from or anything, literally all we have to work with here is a roomful of people chatting about where things could go and billions upon billions of dollars to hire more talent. Give us a break here.

Exactly, they did have tons of books, and a decent premise provided by Lucas

 

[Saruhashi]

Finn is such a let down of a character. Like what the fuck. Had an interesting premise and they completely fumbled it.

- portrayed as a bumbling fool.
- friendzoned by the main chick that he cared for so she could get with the serial killer villain who tortured her.
- paired up with the chunky asian chick in the most forced romance of all time.
- has a sister now too so she can take a percentage of his screen-time.

I thought the idea of diverse casting was to bring in new fans who like seeing representation in film and identify with characters of their own background. Well why would a young black kid want to give a fuck about star wars when it treats the black guy as a joke?

It's a bit of a mind-bender that they managed to completely waste all of the potential of Finn.

Within the opening few scenes of Episode 7 we see a stormtrooper disobey orders, free a high value prisoner and then escape.
Almost an entire 3 movies later and they have done basically nothing with the character.

Realistically you should have been looking at a complete pacifist character that is almost going to act like the conscience of Rey, Poe and the rest of the good guys. It's such a potentially fascinating character arc because you can even play with things that people always joked about like how blowing up those death stars must have killed 100s of thousands of troops. You could have Finn reacting to characters like Han and Leia and Luke with complete terror. There's basically an endless amount of things they could explore there. Maybe Finn and Poe defect completely and go off to be smugglers or maybe they go around freeing First Order troops across the galaxy. I dunno.

There was so much that could have been done there but instead he's just a complete non-entity.

 

[MayauMiao]

Scene from her killing Palps



Coming down soon no doubt.

Good god this is laughably bad

I didn't even hear the audience cheering when she said that...or have the audience left because they can't handle the cringe?

 

[LaughingStock]

Scene from her killing Palps



Coming down soon no doubt.

Good god this is laughably bad

Holy shit xD
This is bad.

Too bad Anakin. Your sacrifice was in vain. Only a strong waman can kill the emperor with her mary sue powers.

 

[Grinchy]

I guess I've learned that if you're electrocuting someone with your Ernest Goes to Jail superpowers, and they are reflecting it back at you, and that's killing you, maybe stop the flow of electricity from your hands.

 

[hooijdonk17]

I guess I've learned that if you're electrocuting someone with your Ernest Goes to Jail superpowers, and they are reflecting it back at you, and that's killing you, maybe stop the flow of electricity from your hands.

And you know what's funny? Maybe you should have learned that the first time you tried it on a full Jedi (Mace Windu) and they nearly destroyed you for trying it. Or maybe the second time when you tried it on a full Sith Lord (Darth Vader) and they actually killed you for trying it. What in the fucking fuck?

 

[VertigoOA]

Yo, they actually killed Star Wars.

like they really did it.

George Lucas was a visionary. Took 15 years to write the first movie and general synopsis of the OT. Spent years researching philosophy, mythology and the character types found in the hero’s journey...

did you really believe that could be accomplished by a committee of hack writers and discount Spielberg in under a year per film? Really? Really!?

Where’s the originality? We don’t even have single goddamn new setting or anything that looks remotely fantasy or alien.

even the fucking prequel trilogy screams creativity.

motherfucking Darth Maul didn’t even fucking speak and had 12 minutes of screen time and resonated more with fans than any one in the new trilogy ... including the old guard.

boycott this trash

 

[#Phonepunk#]

im feeling pretty confident the whole movie will leak before the week is up. if we already have ending screens and footage from the final battle it's only a matter of time...

 

[Saruhashi]

Scene from her killing Palps is on youtube



Coming down soon no doubt.

Good god this is laughably bad

 

[Caffeine]

she fucking gohan'd him
what is this cell saga.
here is the scene before that

 

[VertigoOA]

Scene from her killing Palps is on youtube



Coming down soon no doubt.

Good god this is laughably bad

This... is breaking my heart.

 

[Cravis]

People are going to spend years dissecting everything wrong with these movies. That’s going to be more entertaining than the actual movies.

Oh and HAHA at Rey and Kylo being kissing cousins.

 

[VertigoOA]

See don’t know if I can trust the rotten score either. Critics thought TLJ was a masterpiece... are these the same pool of critics being upset by the lack of progressiveness being hammed down our throats? Do they feel guilty having lied to everyone about TLJ? Or are people ready to accept that Disney Wars is not Star Wars.

For all you know it could be the most decent out of all the Disney Wars but fans have rejected it at this point, aside from what Favreau and Filoni have done ... then again those two are clearly lifelong Star Wars fanboys that actually... get it

 

[#Phonepunk#]

"Rey, bring balance to the force, as I once did"

LOL oh is that what you did, Anakin? suuuuure...

 

[Caffeine]

"Rey, bring balance to the force, as I once did"

LOL oh is that what you did, Anakin? suuuuure...

he left some story out for rey.

 

[Fbh]

Scene from her killing Palps is on youtube



Coming down soon no doubt.

Good god this is laughably bad

Except even that was better

 

[VertigoOA]

So does the falcon really blow up? Does chewbacca die? Like are ALL these rumors and leaks true? Because it seems so.

 

[Caffeine]

So does the falcon really blow up? Does chewbacca die? Like are ALL these rumors and leaks true? Because it seems so.

no rey thinks she kills them accidentally with force lightning but they all live.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Leia apparently dies while trying to use the force to reach Ben. so add that to the pile of ST Force Overdoses. ever since Rian made it canon that you can die from using the Force wrong, seems like people are dropping like flies!

shame she never once talked to her son, even in the last movie where they are standing a couple hundred feet away from one another. put that in the bucket of missed opportunities.

oh but that Luke Goku Best Display Of Force Ever To Inspire a Target Commercial was worth ignoring that plot thread. /s

 

[VertigoOA]

Let us keep in mind that Lucas’ outline for the third trilogy was still about Luke Skywalker dealing with what it means to be a mentor to Vader’s grandchildren

So we would’ve gotten what we wanted. We would’ve gotten Han, Luke and Chewie actually sharing screen time.

but nope... they made space Harry Potter

If he wasn’t at the premiere... umm pretty telling

Most of this sequel trilogy is kinda predictable fan fiction. You cannot write a villain larger than palpatine so to default to it still being all about him is fine. It’s probably the first thing they did I actually like...

 

[Ichabod]

She hit old Palpy with that shinku-hadoken

 

[SirKicksalot]

So Sheev was a single guy jumping in new bodies for ages. Upsetting news but somehow impressive. He deserved to win.

I finally understand those "Matrix sequels? What Matrix sequels?" people.

 

[MayauMiao]

Leia apparently dies while trying to use the force to reach Ben.

She survived the vacuum of space by Mary Poppins herself, yet somehow making a phone call kills her?

Unbelievable.

 

[VertigoOA]

She survived the vacuum of space by Mary Poppins herself, yet somehow making a phone call kills her?

Unbelievable.

Luke also died via Skype

RJ clearly wanted to shoehorn Leia and her plastic face as the mentor to Rey over Luke because he’s an idiot. But he failed to consider her fucking cocaine problems

 

[prag16]

Scene from her killing Palps is on youtube



Coming down soon no doubt.

Good god this is laughably bad

What in the ever living fuck? I knew this is essentially what was going to happen based on the leaks, but who the fuck watched this scene and said "yup, that a solid climactic capper for the 9 movie saga".

What the fuck were they thinking??? Maybe it's marginally better in the film in context, but I burst out laughing at the "I am all the Jedi" line. The "I am all the Sith" line is cheesy too, but it's your classic Sheev banter so it still works. But I guess Rey is drastically more powerful than Mace Windu and Yoda combined now. Even though her first use of the Force was maybe a year prior.

 

[HotPocket69]

Let us keep in mind that Lucas’ outline for the third trilogy was still about Luke Skywalker dealing with what it means to be a mentor to Vader’s grandchildren

So we would’ve gotten what we wanted. We would’ve gotten Han, Luke and Chewie actually sharing screen time.

but nope... they made space Harry Potter

If he wasn’t at the premiere... umm pretty telling

Most of this sequel trilogy is kinda predictable fan fiction. You cannot write a villain larger than palpatine so to default to it still being all about him is fine. It’s probably the first thing they did I actually like...

The Thrawn trilogy adapted into the new movie trilogy I would’ve accepted as well

 

[prag16]

no rey thinks she kills them accidentally with force lightning but they all live.

So wait, that thing about her using force lightining to destroy the Sith fleet is true? I thought at least that part turned out to be bullshit..

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Luke also died via Skype

but also the Force doesn't require any physical exertion! you just have to believe! like Rey! but also you can... die if you use too much Force? uh, wait, this made sense at some point...

 

[VertigoOA]

The Thrawn trilogy adapted into the new movie trilogy I would’ve accepted as well

I was never crazy about going the expanded universe route either. There was a lot of shit buried in there too, for as much as loved KOTOR.

You could only imagine what a Lucas, Favreau and Filoni team could do. Filoni worked his way up to have his office next to George for his passion during the end days of Lucasfilm. He was essentially groomed to be creative lead if it were to go on after George dies. And Favreau would have the know-how on where to stop George from going full b-movie with an unlimited budget.

Palpatine being such a huge villain. Essentially fucking God as the devil, immaculate conception and all (which I believe was always going to be a tying thread) was never going to be topped.

Only few things made sense with what to do. The right idea would’ve been to create a new evil and go with the twins storyline. Although I do appreciate the attempt at making Rey and Kylo into some copy of Bastilla and Revan from KOTOR because a good romance angle is needed. But they didn’t really do it cuz lol Rian Johnson made a pointless second act.

but the thing is... rotj had a happy ending. Vader was redeemed, you get emotional watching it. The good guys won and the characters you adored all fucking live and smile over a camp fire because... they did it... they defeated evil and blew the motherfucker up.

In a way a sequel trilogy would’ve been better served being far ahead in the future from the OT just to give the result of that victory a fucking meaning. Instead of ... oh you thought the good guys won —- well nothing fucking changed ... at all. And now we’re going to kill them all and replace them with a cast of characters not even Disney gives a shit about.

 

[Sleepydays]

Looking over this thread and elsewhere, it's an incredible contrast to the initial goodwill extended to Disney going into this trilogy, even after TFA. It's a monumental failure, probably unprecedented in film.

 

[VertigoOA]

How it should’ve ended:

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Looking over this thread and elsewhere, it's an incredible contrast to the initial goodwill extended to Disney going into this trilogy, even after TFA. It's a monumental failure, probably unprecedented in film.

on the plus side i feel so happy watching TLJ stans rage because they "had their expectations subverted". for years i was told i shouldn't get attached to "pointless" characters (Snoke, main villain of 2/3 the trilogy) i was told i shouldn't have expectations or hopes or theories. sometimes we don't get what we want and THAT'S LIFE (but is it fantasy?). i should just shut the fuck up, sit down, and enjoy the slop. so it's so rich watching them squeal.

sorry, you dumb fanboi, you shouldn't fill your head canon with unreasonable expectations. i know Rian made you fantasize about this wonderful movie that will never exist, but you need to realize that it was all in your head.

his brilliant "move forward" was just a giant con job. he didn't do anything new, he merely did ROTJ a film early. you have nothing.

 

[Caffeine]

kylo thrown into pit

reylo

 

[#Phonepunk#]

LOL @ Finn saying "Rey" in that last clip. like does he have any fucking life beyond being centered on this white savior?

 

[prag16]

So wait, that thing about her using force lightining to destroy the Sith fleet is true? I thought at least that part turned out to be bullshit..

Seriously, I must know. Can anyone confirm or deny this aspect?

 

[Ulysses 31]

Seriously, I must know. Can anyone confirm or deny this aspect?

It's Sheev that uses lightning to destroy part of the rebel fleet.

 

[VertigoOA]

What happened to them being called “the resistance” lol

 

[The Hermit]

Heres the cast and crews reaction to the end of TRoS.

Anthony Daniels reaction... lol that guy.. "After 40 years... this is it??"

He was trying to warn us.

 

[MayauMiao]

So Finn is force sensitive?

Its becoming a friggin force sensitive bargain sale.

 

[Caffeine]

What happened to them being called “the resistance” lol

sheev still in that ep6 mindset.

 

[Ulysses 31]

So Finn is force sensitive?

Its becoming a friggin force sensitive bargain sale.

Didn't you pay attention to the end of TLJ? Anyone can be force sensitive! Another one of Rian's contribution.