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//: StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty |OT2| GL HF GG
- Thread starter Corran Horn
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Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
So if I fuck up and spam roach for 20 minutes straight, with upgrades... is there any chance I might win against someone who's spent 20 minutes spamming marauders out?
PandaPandaPanda
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zlatko said:
which doesn't work out well since terran have scan + the fact that they have stim = nope
PandaPandaPanda
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Pandaman said:
yeahthat too
there are a few what if's like if on creep or you force wasted stims or get a nice surround but generally it's a big no no
don't ever mass just one unit, i just beat the same guy twice who massed nothing except marauders/marines(no medivacs lol) the whole game
it was really sad too since he had econ advantage the whole game as he'd just stim and snipe my expos and then leave
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Safe bet for a newbie?
9 Pylon
10 Chrono Boost
12 Gateway (scout?)
13 Assimilator
16 Pylon
(17 Cybernetics Core)
Once I hit 17, I start rolling out more Gateways -- followed by a Forge, then Shrine (Dark Temps). I really don't have much of a game plan after that. I wing it... 50/50 chance of W/L. I'm low level Bronze, so losing isn't much of an issue...
9 Pylon
10 Chrono Boost
12 Gateway (scout?)
13 Assimilator
16 Pylon
(17 Cybernetics Core)
Once I hit 17, I start rolling out more Gateways -- followed by a Forge, then Shrine (Dark Temps). I really don't have much of a game plan after that. I wing it... 50/50 chance of W/L. I'm low level Bronze, so losing isn't much of an issue...
BrLvgThrChmstry said:
I haven't played for a couple of weeks (don't have my desktop with me at the moment T_T) but I'm high gold. There are better, more practiced Protoss players on here but this is my advice.
Basic build looks good. I scout on 9, with the probe that builds the Pylon. I generally like to look for (in no particular order):
- worker counts
- gas timings
- builds
- indication of cheese. Worker count is part of this, but I also look for known cheese builds. 6 pool would be the easiest one to scout for me.
I usually find that getting a Shrine is only worth it if the opponent is lax on detection. If I don't see enough Overseers or turrets or I see MULES, then the DT's come out. Otherwise, I tech to Colossi or HT's.
I'm starting to favor expanding around the 32 food mark. A small timing push with an expansion behind it is pretty good. Once I have the expand up, I copy-past my initial build, with some tech buildings in there. Feel free to experiment a bit
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Awesome, thanks. I'm definitely going to integrate those tactics. And good tip concerning the Dark and High Temps, thanks.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Man these last 2 weeks suck. No Day9 or GSL. I been watching Dailies from when Day9 just got SC2 beta :lol
I cant bare myself to watch HD or Husky anymore. I know of other people but...I need new shit now! :lol :lol :lol
Oh ya...lol 25 people viewed my bliptv of panda streaming so far.
I cant bare myself to watch HD or Husky anymore. I know of other people but...I need new shit now! :lol :lol :lol
Oh ya...lol 25 people viewed my bliptv of panda streaming so far.
PhoenixDark
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Corran Horn said:
What's up with the HD/Husky hate yo! Sometimes I just want to watch a game cast, not an hour of Day9 lol. I prefer him but still
Artosis' channel is pretty awesome
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
I dont hate them. They got me back into starcraft...but after watching some of the other high quality casts...stuff they dont mention or go over tends to drive me much more crazy now.PhoenixDark said:
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
PhoenixDark said:
I don't hate Husky or HD at all. However, after watching 3 GSLs of professional Tastosis commentary (not to mention the DJ Wheat+Day 9 MLG commentaries), Husky and HD just can't compare.
I think it's because I'm starting to prefer dual commentaries instead of a solo act, but that's just me. Artosis' videos just seem empty without Tasteless.
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Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
in 2 1/2 hours if the same as previous starts. Doesnt say when starting on the go live button :/nilbog21 said:
PhoenixDark
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Pankaks said:
imo Tasteless isn't a good caster. He knows a lot about the game but just comes off unprofessional to me, isn't funny, and kinda distracts from games. I'd take someone like Day9 or even Husky alongside Artosis instead of him.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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After a couple of hours spent having my ass handed to me by the A.I. on hard, I need to 'fix' opening > mid-game transition. Lacks order. And my timing is still off. Question concerning Early game Protoss:
As a newbie or simply a Protoss player, should I always be on the defensive? The productive time for units can be so slow (and so can my macro; doesn't help). I know it has more to do with my timing and order, after 17, everything starts galling apart. But I guess practice makes perfect.
As a newbie or simply a Protoss player, should I always be on the defensive? The productive time for units can be so slow (and so can my macro; doesn't help). I know it has more to do with my timing and order, after 17, everything starts galling apart. But I guess practice makes perfect.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Says the zerg.Pandaman said:
BrLvgThrChmstry said:
Always? No, but the single biggest improvement I ever had in PvT was one day just deciding to never attack a Terran player. The number of times you should be aggressive in PvT is very small imo, and it's better to just play defensively and slowly feeling out when it's actually safe to attack. In PvZ most standard strategies involve the Protoss player being the aggressor early game, defensive when getting their natural up, and then resuming aggressive play. Here's a very comprehensive post in TL about this sort of PvZ play. PvP is a toss up, you can play it either way just fine.
OpinionatedCyborg
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Just get your macro up. Always build probes, pylons, and units out of your gateways/warpgates. Always. Built more gates as money allows, but not more than you can afford. You'll be able to beat the very hard AI easily if you do this... by the time he rushes, you will have at least one sentry, a zealot or two, and a couple stalkers. Make sure to use your guardian shield to reduce damage. Or use the force field on your ramp to separate his units in half, allowing you to pick off the ones trapped at the top of your ramp. After this attack, you will be in the lead.BrLvgThrChmstry said:
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If you do it right, it can help a lot. I like using the AI to practice new builds, see if they get killed early (the very hard AI does a pretty good early game push usually) and get the timings figured out. Also, you're less nervous than when you're laddering.Pandaman said:
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Hazaro said:
Yeah, I need to be more consistent and start watching my replays more often.
Pandaman said:
Ok, as a player who has not only been out of the game since early August and lacks any type of consistency or reliable strategy during play, if I find that I can't defeat Hard A.I. -- even while being aware of it's predictable build order/"strategy", then why would I continue to accept losses online? ...I just want consistency, for now. Playing against A.I. may not make me the best SC2 ever and as stated by Hazaro, vs only one build, but I at least want a solid foundation knowing that I can Micro and Macro without screwing up.
I have played a total of 72 1v1 games. 26 wins. 46 Losses. Otherwise, do have any actual information to share? ...I appreciate all the help I can get.
Vaporak said:
Thanks dude. I guess I figured since Protoss produce units little slower, defensive play should be my default. But I mostly played against Terran (as Protoss), which is why it makes sense I came to that conclusion. But this sounds like great advice.
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