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Haunted
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The difference obviously being that you were the only one trying to sell your argument as coming from "data" while I always talked about the consensus among pros. I just mentioned the NA Zerg ones who have publicly spoken of it (because I wrongly assumed you would be more inclined to listen to them than the numerous other pros who have attested to the KR > EU > NA situation, like every EU pro ever for example).Pandaman said:
Now you've lost me, this is getting too technical for me. >_> Where does the supposed 20% skill difference come from?Pandaman said:
And well, if you really believe that the NA ladder isn't weaker than the others, be my guest to go against the common consensus, but don't expect me (or anyone else, looking from the responses of other posters here) to follow. I don't think your arguments are very convincing.
edit: and just to compromise and to further clarify my stance - I think the top NA pros are just as good as the top EU pros and just as good as the top KR pros. It's the quantity of players at the highest level that's different. Didn't someone write a couple essays about the statistical dominance of EU people in the western scene on TL? They usually got unnecessary detailed papers about this stuff.
edit²: *quickly uses TSL downtime to browse the TLPD* 25 EU players and 7 NA players among the Top 40 by ELO rating. 20 EU players #41-80, 10 NA players. (the other 18 are SEA and KR)
PhoenixDark
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Don't think we make too many general statements without evidence. Obviously Idra and others have said the NA ladder is weaker, but who knows. I think everyone agrees the Korean ladder is the most competitive.
I wish there was a way we could just play each other across servers and settle the matter, without having to buy new accounts. If I had to bet I'd say US GAF>EU GAF, but I wouldn't then leap to US ladder>EU ladder
I wish there was a way we could just play each other across servers and settle the matter, without having to buy new accounts. If I had to bet I'd say US GAF>EU GAF, but I wouldn't then leap to US ladder>EU ladder
i didn't know that.Pandaman said:
eu gaf is not active at all.
we do have players like mescaline,v_arnold, and i think twofold (never met him) that play on a regular bases but aside from that most of the players do not play regularly and not organized at all.
even i stopped playing of freaking stupid slow internet after noon in my country do some stupid broken oversea cable and midterms before that.
Well wasn't one of the rules for the tournament that you had to play them at a specific time? Considering it was like 2-3am for people in Europe, you're not going to get a lot of people interested.
I don't think anyone knew of this :lolPandaman said:
Haunted
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MC vs Kas 1-0, game 2 going on right now! http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Khaldor
No wonder he lost to Thorzain, he had to play Kas at the same time on dual monitors!
edit: oh my this is a Bo7?
No wonder he lost to Thorzain, he had to play Kas at the same time on dual monitors!
edit: oh my this is a Bo7?
ShallNoiseUpon
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I love Grubby's casting. Dude has crazy RTS smarts.
TheThunder
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Yup, he casted some WC3 as well and was great.ShallNoiseUpon said:
ShallNoiseUpon
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TheThunder said:
I think he played some WC3 on his stream fairly recently and I missed it
.TheThunder
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Sick blink.
Man what is it with MC and Tal'Darm ??
Man what is it with MC and Tal'Darm ??
Well it's also at a LAN, and supposedly Kas hasn't been to that many. MC is smashing him at the moment.Zzoram said:
Would have been nice to see that, after seeing all these WC3 players doing so well I've been tempted to reinstall it and play a few games.ShallNoiseUpon said:I think he played some WC3 on his stream fairly recently and I missed it
TheThunder
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Come on Kas, give us a close game.
We have to top the last TSL match.
We have to top the last TSL match.
Ikuu said:
Yeah. They were just talking about how Kas has major LAN jitters since this is only his second or third one.
Thorzain also had a long while to prepare for his match and work on some special builds against MC whereas Kas is having to play his standard builds. You can't compare the two.
Haunted
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Well, it's a different environment at a LAN, where he played a knockout series against different opponents and races all day (had his first game of the day 15 hours ago).Zzoram said:
You can really prepare for the TSL matches in comparison, both mentally and specific builds to counter your opponent (which Thorzain has done magnificently in his TSL run so far).
Kas looks much worse than in his own TSL match against Adelscott earlier today.
I'm not ready to declare either one better/worse (maybe leaning towards Kas, even), but that's probably also due to having seen dozens of Kas' games against many different players in so many tournaments, while I've only seen three games of Thorzain.
TheThunder
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He's falling apart
Haunted
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Kas completely on tilt now.
Man, the guy has played thousands of ladder games, hundreds of online tournaments... but playing in person is really a different matter altogether. This is his second or third LAN, I think? Nerves are really getting to him.
Even if it's painful, this is a good learning experience.
Man, the guy has played thousands of ladder games, hundreds of online tournaments... but playing in person is really a different matter altogether. This is his second or third LAN, I think? Nerves are really getting to him.
Even if it's painful, this is a good learning experience.
TheThunder
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He has been playing (or at least at the location of the LAN) since 9 in the morning and now it's midnight.Haunted said:
I agree that tournaments like TSL where not only you play from your home but also have 1/2weeks to prepare for only 1 opponent in a single match up. LAN is just a different monster altogether, which makes Naniwa's run at MLG coming from the open bracket even more impressive.
TheThunder
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MC giveth and the MC taketh away.
MC just wanted to finish this just in time for the StarWars Tournament.
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MC just wanted to finish this just in time for the StarWars Tournament.
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Yeah I was agreeing with you, It's getting late here -_-Haunted said:Completely agreed, I said exactly that in the post before the one you quoted.
TheThunder
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I'm really starting to worry that the market might reach over saturation so fast.Raelson said:
I still haven't watched IPL day 2 and day 3 is starting soon and I have been awake for 18 hours so I look like guy who escaped from the nut house.
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