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[webrunner]

I think the notable thing about 7RR is not it's particularity as a build order, but as an application of genetic algorithms -that it's competitive is a sign of how strong genetic algorithms can be.

Sure, it's a geeky thing to be excited about, but we're playing a strategy computer game about space dudes shootin' other space dudes, to dismiss something just because the end result isn't 100% effective seems narrow-minded.

 

[Pandaman]

Adding my 5 cents here: with 5RR, you expanded behind your Roaches when you moved out. If you calculate the most efficient and fastest way to create most roaches, you get this. But you lack the better economy and the 300 mineral plus for the expand. Therefore, this IS an allin, while 5rr is simply an opening style, one you can easily retreat from.

if anything, the strongest asset a zerg can take away from this is its effect on the metagame now that zergs have a strong allin that can blindcounter past walloffs. its a zerg proxy gate/rax thats strongest asset is the possibility that a zerg might do it.

 

[Revengeance]

if anything, the strongest asset a zerg can take away from this is its effect on the metagame now that zergs have a strong allin that can blindcounter past walloffs. its a zerg proxy gate/rax thats strongest asset is the possibility that a zerg might do it.

Ugh, I lose to this in nearly every PvZ I play. I haven't figured out how to counter it yet, even when I see it coming. Zealots are just kited, and I can never get enough stalkers out in time, even when making only Stalkers.

Fellow Protoss users, HALP!!

 

[Ashhong]

Ugh, I lose to this in nearly every PvZ I play. I haven't figured out how to counter it yet, even when I see it coming. Zealots are just kited, and I can never get enough stalkers out in time, even when making only Stalkers.

Fellow Protoss users, HALP!!

good zealot/sentry micro is probably the only solution until you get out more stalkers

 

[Zzoram]

good zealot/sentry micro is probably the only solution until you get out more stalkers

Slowly teching towards an Immortal helps too. Immortals rape Roaches.

 

[Ashhong]

Slowly teching towards an Immortal helps too. Immortals rape Roaches.

True, but this 7RR build comes pretty quick. You would have to save your gas for that immortal to come in time, leaving no gas for sentry/stalkers. I must test this out today!

 

[Mr Cola]

Ugh, I lose to this in nearly every PvZ I play. I haven't figured out how to counter it yet, even when I see it coming. Zealots are just kited, and I can never get enough stalkers out in time, even when making only Stalkers.

Fellow Protoss users, HALP!!

If you scout it you can ff till your immortal comes out with a 2 gate robo build, hell if your really paranoid skip warp and go 1 gate robo and build gates while your immortal is building holding the ramp with a sentry.

 

[Zzoram]

I think the notable thing about 7RR is not it's particularity as a build order, but as an application of genetic algorithms -that it's competitive is a sign of how strong genetic algorithms can be.

Sure, it's a geeky thing to be excited about, but we're playing a strategy computer game about space dudes shootin' other space dudes, to dismiss something just because the end result isn't 100% effective seems narrow-minded.

Ya this. Apparently someone ran the algorithm to simulate ~5500 games and further optimized 7RR to be a bit faster :lol

 

[IceMarker]

Shadow Assault 2.5 has been released! A huge balance patch has arrived bringing along with it a tougher final boss and an smoother solo mode has returned!

- 2.5

-- Playing the map Solo is now slightly easier and faster paced
-- Increased the Detection range of the boss from 11 to 12
-- Increased the armor of the boss from 3 to 4
-- Increased the life and shields of the mini-boss from 400 to 500
-- Increased the shield armor of the mini-boss from 0 to 2
-- Decreased the armor of the mini-boss from 3 to 2
-- Decreased the life and shields of Merc Banshees from 175 to 150
-- Decreased Detection range of Point Detection Drones from 11 to 10

Looks like I fooled myself into thinking I wouldn't update the original SA while my other maps are in development! This is an important patch for me because whatever I change in the original, some base changes of it will carry on over into SA2. You can also mark this down as hopefully a interest booster, as the Solo mode changes were intended for that, in case you can't find a friend to play with.

Shadow Assault Arena is coming along nicely, from a non-balance standpoint that is, as no one has extensively tested with me or given me feedback as I mentioned in an earlier post. At this point, SAA is very VERY close to being finished. Hell I could release it right now and be done with it, but I fear for balance issues and bugs... therefore I think I will at least hold off until this weekend. Until then as usual, find me online if you'd like to test with me! Remember it's an 8 player max map and needs lots of GAF members to fill up a lobby!

Spoiler

Hooray shitty minimal audience awareness map making!

 

[Mairu]

Shadow Assault 2.5 has been released! A huge balance patch has arrived bringing along with it a tougher final boss and an smoother solo mode has returned!

Looks like I fooled myself into thinking I wouldn't update the original SA while my other maps are in development! This is an important patch for me because whatever I change in the original, some base changes of it will carry on over into SA2. You can also mark this down as hopefully a interest booster, as the Solo mode changes were intended for that, in case you can't find a friend to play with.

I'll try it out later if I can get a friend or two to join me. First time we played it was fun, but took waaaay too long with only two people considering we were confused at the start and my friend let my ghost academy die before I got all the upgrades

What kind of game is Shadow Assault Arena? I'm willing to test it out with you

 

[IceMarker]

What kind of game is Shadow Assault Arena? I'm willing to test it out with you

It's like Shadow Assault except FFA head-to-head with 8 players and constantly streaming supply of minerals.

Also, most rounds of SA after this update should be a tiny bit shorter... around 40-50 minutes.

 

[Mairu]

It's like Shadow Assault except FFA head-to-head with 8 players and constantly streaming supply of minerals.

Also, most rounds of SA after this update should be a tiny bit shorter... around 40-50 minutes.

Awwww, I like the co-op stuff a little bit more than head-to-head stuff

 

[pieatorium]

Another good thing about 5rr vs 7rr is that zergling speed finishes around the time you push out with your roaches so you can keep the pressure up if you deal enough damage and at the very least you force your opponent to make some roach counters which are themselves countered by speedlings so your new expo is reasonably safe even if the roaches didn't do much. Quite often when i 5rr those 5 initial roaches are the only ones I make for the entire game.

 

[IceMarker]

Awwww, I like the co-op stuff a little bit more than head-to-head stuff

People who played SA said they wanted a competitive mode so Arena came about. Don't worry, SA2 will be co-op just as the first.

 

[Vaporak]

Ugh, I lose to this in nearly every PvZ I play. I haven't figured out how to counter it yet, even when I see it coming. Zealots are just kited, and I can never get enough stalkers out in time, even when making only Stalkers.

Fellow Protoss users, HALP!!

Build a forge. Cannons can come out before stalkers/sentries, then just continue as normal to get an econ/tech advantage over the zerg player. If he's really doing this build he can't deny scouting. If he gets zerglings to deny scouting it delays the roach push, but you should still be able to tell he's not expanding.

 

[Deadman]

Played my first ladder match as zerg, vs a terran on scrap. I was quite terrible at spending all my money, thankfully it didnt really matter because i just built way more stuff than he did. In the end i maxed on ling roach and muta and rolled over his army.

At the start he was really friendly and chatty, but he left without a gg which made me laugh.

 

[Zzoram]

Nony vs Idra Bo7 showmatch for $400 starts in 10 minutes. I hope Nony actually practiced for this.

Ya most players don't gg these days, it's pretty weak. I always do unless then BM me by offensive gg'ing. If they do that I play hide the building to drag it out.

 

[Mairu]

Nony vs Idra Bo7 showmatch for $400 starts in 10 minutes. I hope Nony actually practiced for this.

Ya most players don't gg these days, it's pretty weak. I always do unless then BM me by offensive gg'ing. If they do that I play hide the building to drag it out.

Grats Idra on the 400$



I hope they are good games though

 

[Pandaman]

Idra collecting some more fight money? cool.

 

[Zzoram]

starting now

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=iCCup.TV

 

[Mairu]

Did not expect a quick win from Tyler in the first game :lol

 

[Keikaku]

Quick gg, but awesome use of FFs from Liquid Tyler.

 

[Pandaman]

3 pylons, a cannon, a probe, 2 zealots in exchange for a 4 drone lead against a fast hatch.

idra you're scary.

 

[slidewinder]

That "slowing down the game" popup is so annoying.

 

[Raelson]

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1050211#blog

Name change is live!

 

[Mairu]

Pretty cool early blink rush

GJ Tyler

 

[Vaporak]

Yay blink slays the Gracken.
That said Idra is probably still going to take this series.

 

[Zzoram]

2-1 tyler so far

 

[Pandaman]

and people say protoss is up. :lol

 

[Zzoram]

and people say protoss is up. :lol

To be fair, tyler is quite naturally talented for a guy known to not practice much

 

[watervengeance]

Huk must be so angry that Tyler is doing so much better than him against Idra.

 

[Ashhong]

oh snap, idra GG's now???

 

[AdventureRacing]

What is happening to the players in ladder?
In the last 30 game I played, I encountered only ONE gg, that from a Zerg.

Every other player I won againts just quit. Damn. We have become one bitter community

At the start he was really friendly and chatty, but he left without a gg which made me laugh.

Ya most players don't gg these days, it's pretty weak. I always do unless then BM me by offensive gg'ing. If they do that I play hide the building to drag it out.

I don't care at all. In fact i find players who expect a GG much more annoying. There is no rule saying you have to and i dare say many players don't even realise its expected.

I say it but i really don't expect my opponents too.

 

[Keikaku]

Nony up 3-1 against Idra?! I'm in some sort of bizarro world :lol

 

[elrechazado]

and people say protoss is up. :lol

gsl

 

[Mairu]

Isn't Idra on SOTG tonight? Gonna be great :lol

 

[Corran Horn]

Huk must be so angry that Tyler is doing so much better than him against Idra.

Tyler at one time was the foreigner brood war players

 

[Zzoram]

Nony up 3-1 against Idra?! I'm in some sort of bizarro world :lol

Not really. Tyler has always been more talented than Greg. In Broodwar he beat Greg at WCG USA and TSL2 even though Idra was training in Korea and Nony was barely practicing.

 

[Pandaman]

To be fair, tyler is quite naturally talented for a guy known to not practice much

thats not being fair at all.

 

[Zzoram]

thats not being fair at all.

Ok, it's not fair, but Tyler has more natural talent than Greg and it's always been the case. The Xel'Naga favor Tyler.

 

[watervengeance]

Tyler at one time was the foreigner brood war players

I know.

Idra needs to stop cutting so many corners. Is he underestimating him or something?

 

[slidewinder]

Tyler at one time was the foreigner brood war players

Guy hasn't been much of a factor in SC2 so far though, has he?

 

[Zzoram]

Guy hasn't been much of a factor in SC2 so far though, has he?

He's married and doesn't practice much, but he's got a ton of talent and it doesn't take him more than a few days of warmup to hang with the best again.

 

[PandaPandaPanda]

wow that was a fast game

 

[Mairu]

What a surprise matchup :lol

 

[Ashhong]

LOL GG! I wish tyler used hallucinations and had Idra leave from that :lol

 

[slidewinder]

Wow.

 

[Zzoram]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Oh Idra.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

lol Idra rage-gg. Probably gonna lose anyway but still funny because you know he is fuming.

 

[Revengeance]

:lol :lol :lol

Apm on that GG must have been so high