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Won said:
Yes, they do change. They invalidate a lot of strategies that worked in the previous patches.
That does not mean Terran has no chance suddenly. They all got the tools to figure out what to do against Zergs.
And on the other hand, if those who kept playing Zerg even when they were the underdog for quite a few months (if you include beta phase 2), it is no suprise that they SHOULD win against a now slightly nerfed enemy with Zerg's buffs...
Yeah Zerg is not OP. It's just that people were used to fuck with zerg so badly they can't seem to adjust to the new meta. They all will eventually, but it's hilariously slow. They can't do shit like:
Toss FE with maybe one or two cannons. In the past, you couldn't shoot the freakin buildings as zerg.
Toss mass force fields. They would own anything zerg has in ground not counting Ultras. It wasn't even funny.
Reapers killing roaches... yeah.
Hellions kiting roaches to infinity.
Sentries are still awesome. They are not broken against zerg anymore tho.
Toss FE with maybe one or two cannons. In the past, you couldn't shoot the freakin buildings as zerg.
Toss mass force fields. They would own anything zerg has in ground not counting Ultras. It wasn't even funny.
Reapers killing roaches... yeah.
Hellions kiting roaches to infinity.
Sentries are still awesome. They are not broken against zerg anymore tho.
It's really too early to say whether one race is OP or not. Pretty simple strategy discoveries in BW drastically shifted balance despite there being no patches. Zerg macro mechanic certainly appears very strong currently now that they've a somewhat reliable way to survive early pressure.
V_Arnold said:
The problem is that the buffs and nerfs made Zerg's existing strategies stronger and Terran's and Protoss's existing strategies weaker, when what they should have done was open up new strategies. Terran and Protoss are kicked back to the drawing board while Zerg can now comfortably and easily do the same thing that they have been doing since launch.
Also Zerg contain strategies are really effective, and contains are just no fun to fight against. You see yourself slowly losing and there's nothing you can do about it. Far less fun than a back-and-forth.
I tried playing as Protoss. 1200 minerals on 1 base goddam warpgates and pylons. Try to micro each stalker because of that delicious move speed.
Go back to Terran and pull out a macro game on 4 mining bases spamming mules, marines, and thors and have ~400 minerals. :[
Another thing I've been doing is putting my engy bay and armoy in weird spots so they remind me to get upgrades. Maybe I'll even assign them to a hotkey eventually.
Go back to Terran and pull out a macro game on 4 mining bases spamming mules, marines, and thors and have ~400 minerals. :[
Another thing I've been doing is putting my engy bay and armoy in weird spots so they remind me to get upgrades. Maybe I'll even assign them to a hotkey eventually.
alright, so what are some other cool builds that us brotoss can do aside from teching straight to colosi, like I really wanna use carriers(i think I might anyway lol)
-also on zerg, they seem fine, not OP or UP at the moment, i do feel z-lots are bad late game =( I don't like meatshields lol
-also on zerg, they seem fine, not OP or UP at the moment, i do feel z-lots are bad late game =( I don't like meatshields lol
bull.evangd007 said:
zergs had by and large abandoned the 15 hatch build and roach heavy builds outside of extreme distance maps like scrap station where they were a safe transition.
and its easier said than done when talking about making 'new strategies'. zergs have the lowest unit count and the slowest tech path, we dont have alot of options for something new.
hellion and reaper harass was op.
protoss getting a 100% safe expand for 300-450 minerals was op.
protoss and terran having those options as well as a bunch of other standard safe builds that zerg could not easily [or could not at all] scout because of walloffs was ridiculous.
the roaches needed a buff in order to fix that.
nothing short of 4 range or t1 hydralisks would have fixed that.
besides, the only build that was destroyed was 5rax reaper. you still can hellion fe or hellion into banshee. you still can forge first fe. its just you now have to scout before doing it.
zergs contain because zerg armies are not strong enough to fight you at your door until t3 and a massive econ advantage arrives.
>_>Won said:
i dont see it.
'zergs should have new strategies'
they cant.
'zergs are using the same old builds'
they aren't.
'terran/protoss have to go back to the drawing board'
partially.
'terran and protoss should have kept the old strong builds'
lolno.
'zerg contain isn't fun'
zerg aren't typically going to suicide their army because you're bored. if you're contained and cant do anything about it, gg out. simple enough. as a zerg, i dislike players who don't realize when they've lost and insist on staying until they're down to a gyser and a pylon.
Open up new strategies for who? Zergs? There isn't much in the first place at our disposal. The only difference now is that we don't have to cut out roaches completely for a better economy. I don't know about you guys but I'm seeing more players adapting to the patch pretty well on ladder. I'm seeing a lot more Thor play from Terrans as oppose to your typical MMM ball along with more Phoenix harass from Protoss. All welcoming challenges for both me as a Zerg player and my opponents.evangd007 said:
While I do agree that our existing strategies are stronger because of the patch, it doesn't makes the race OP. I'm actually using less muta/ling/baneling now because Terrans and Brotoss are adapting. It's a good change all around.
vicissitudes
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God blink stalkers are sooooo good. I need to start using that. It's amazing how hilariously good speedlings are against stalkers and how hilariously bad they are against blink stalkers.
Corran Horn
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Gaf night tonight? ^.^'''
lol @ people bitching about Zerg OP. You're just as bad ad the whining Zergs from before. The only thing I think may need a slight nerf is the Roach Warren build speed. Otherwise, it's great to finally be able to crank out a few Roaches for defense and not be completely gimped in terms of survivability and economy.
Also, to the guy whinin about Zerg contains: that's how Zerg was always ment to be played. Zerg is the race that is meant to have the advantage when it comes to map control, just like Terran and Toss have the advantage when it comes to timing pushes.
Also, to the guy whinin about Zerg contains: that's how Zerg was always ment to be played. Zerg is the race that is meant to have the advantage when it comes to map control, just like Terran and Toss have the advantage when it comes to timing pushes.
Pandaman said:
It's the opposite for me, I've been like 10-25 w/l over the past week. :lol
I don't think Zerg is OP really, but the metagame has certainly shifted a lot, and that's easier to adapt to when you're the ones doing the shifting.
Aylinato said:
Unless it's vs Zerg, Protoss doesn't have any really good harass options. If it's vs Zerg then my favorite is a 2 gate phoenix - > expand opening.
Felix Lighter
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If there is a gaf night, I wouldn't mind spectating. I promise I will never alt-tab out of the game again.
Lifejumper
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Sorry for bothering again.
But will this laptop be able to run Starcraft 2 on high setting with a fps above 30?
Will the CPU be a bottleneck?
Asus Notebook G51JX
SPECS:
# Display: 15.6" WXGA LED, resolutie 1366x768
# Processor: Mobile Intel Core i5 450M Dual-Core (2.40GHz)
# QuickPath: 2.5GT/s
# L2 Cache: 3MB
# Chipset: Intel HM55
# RAM: 4GB (2x2GB) PC8500 DDR3 SODIMM (Max. 4GB)
# Videocard: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M 1GB DDR5 VRAM
# Harddisk: 500GB SATA 5400rpm
Thanks again.
But will this laptop be able to run Starcraft 2 on high setting with a fps above 30?
Will the CPU be a bottleneck?
Asus Notebook G51JX
SPECS:
# Display: 15.6" WXGA LED, resolutie 1366x768
# Processor: Mobile Intel Core i5 450M Dual-Core (2.40GHz)
# QuickPath: 2.5GT/s
# L2 Cache: 3MB
# Chipset: Intel HM55
# RAM: 4GB (2x2GB) PC8500 DDR3 SODIMM (Max. 4GB)
# Videocard: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M 1GB DDR5 VRAM
# Harddisk: 500GB SATA 5400rpm
Thanks again.
I think it should be okay. The CPU will likely be the bottleneck, but that's probably one f the best laptop CPUs for SC2, since the game only uses one core (and a bit of a second core). You should easily manage 30fps. I think you could bring a few minor settings down to medium a pull off 60fps.Lifejumper said:
I'm not extremely well eraednin current laptop hardware, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
IAmtheFMan
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I just gotta say, the most fun I have is playing 2v2 or 3v3, but it's also the most frustrating. The games where everything clicks, and you work as a team, awesome. The times where you have one dude that decides to attack with a small army or decides to turtle in suck ass.
good, you and yawee are my main ladder comp i believe. >_> [does coolio still ladder? he was pretty up there too]Vaporak said:
have to excell at something, so i wanna be the highest ranking gaffer! even if you lot can usually beat me easily. -.-
once i think i can beat you guys, surprise continuation of the na tourney that never finished. :lol
watervengeance
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Lifejumper said:
It should be able to handle it. The FPS will probably take a dip when you get into really big fights though.
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ProudClod said:Battlenet is fucking ridiculous today. Dropped me from 4 games. All games that I was dominating in. Fuck you Blizzard.
Yeah the game occasionally crashes on me and I just drop out of games before they start
Which reminds me, the other day I was playing a 2v2 random, my zerg partner dropped at the start. I did the only thing I could think of: double 6-pool. Killed both opponents and won :lol :lol
This is fucking ridiculous. It dropped me from 7 games tonight. I'm on a 9 loss streak. The only two games I legitimately lost, it didn't drop me. It HAD to drop me the games I was dominating the opponent in. Is there some sort of glitch that allows you drop your enemy or something? This is fucking stupid.
Vaporak said:Well I'm below you on ladder points now, I'm at like 1450ish atm.
@bold: :lol didn't Valenti and Alumnus say they wanted to start another Gaffer tournament?
point means nothing
i don't play enough to get higho n point, (still only 900 point diamond), but all my opponents are like 1400-1500, which i still have > 50% win rate with them.
woo, im winning!Vaporak said:Well I'm below you on ladder points now, I'm at like 1450ish atm.
@bold: :lol didn't Valenti and Alumnus say they wanted to start another Gaffer tournament?
as for another tourney, i dunno. alu went super salty on all of us a few weeks ago. :lol i mentioned his loss to valenti and he went all LOLOL, WASN'T TRYING, EVERYONE ON GAF SUCKS, LOL YOU THINK ANYONE ON GAF IS BETTER THAN ME? and then a few days later called everyone on gaf assholes through his realid broadcast. so yeah. >_>
maybe valenti will want to set one up. it was a shame because IIRC it was only me, you and valenti left. :lol
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ever notice the people who say points mean nothing never have many points? >_>
ugh.ProudClod said:
you'd be better off fapping to minecraft machinima.
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keuja said:
He should be able to do at least medium and probably high settings. My Core2Duo 2.26Ghz, 9800M GTS laptop handles medium settings at 1900x1200 pretty damn well.
I think the game is actually close to balanced now. Terran still being just a bit OP.
Zergs are crushing me, but thinking about it, I used to crush zerg without a strategy. I have these highly detailed (I wish) gameplans against Protoss and Terran and Zerg was "4 gate = instawinlol"
Now I have to actually think about stuff. I watched some of Huks games, but what Huk does only works because he is fucking Huk. I think Zerg players watching Idra felt the same. Right now, I have no strategy against zerg, I can defend against early roaches with fast stalkers, but that's it.
I have no follow up, but that's entirely my fault. I'm actually thinking of researching hallucination just so I can make a plan based entirely on scout; I feel that now I have to actually counter stuff.
If I see roaches, I have to pump immortals; hydras, I have to pump colossi; mutas, I have to pump phoenix. Much harder said than done.
Zergs are crushing me, but thinking about it, I used to crush zerg without a strategy. I have these highly detailed (I wish) gameplans against Protoss and Terran and Zerg was "4 gate = instawinlol"
Now I have to actually think about stuff. I watched some of Huks games, but what Huk does only works because he is fucking Huk. I think Zerg players watching Idra felt the same. Right now, I have no strategy against zerg, I can defend against early roaches with fast stalkers, but that's it.
I have no follow up, but that's entirely my fault. I'm actually thinking of researching hallucination just so I can make a plan based entirely on scout; I feel that now I have to actually counter stuff.
If I see roaches, I have to pump immortals; hydras, I have to pump colossi; mutas, I have to pump phoenix. Much harder said than done.
YakiSOBA said:damnit, I got promoted to 4v4 random platinum and now people actually do stuff instead of letting you tech up to xyz with 3/3 upgrades and then win... 4v4 random bronze--> gold was really my stress free do whatever I wanted mode... sucks
yep, i dunno abotu plat but in diamond pretty much the sole indication of whether you're going to win or not is if your 3 allies are able to attack at the same time as you. first team to do that semi-competantly wins
Sblargh said:
Never be the one reacting to what the Zerg player makes, their tech switching speed and sheer production capacity will leave you behind every time. Take the initiative and make the zerg respond to you, PvZ is all about not letting the Zerg player do what they want.
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