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State of Play Thursday, September 14 at 2pm PT / 5pm ET / 10pm GMT

Mr.Phoenix

Member
I agree. I think a lot of Sony fans just expect to get what we have been getting from the ecosystem we invested in. I don't subscribe to this "haven't done shit" nonsense. This generation started like gangbusters, imo, and the games you listed prove it. If we get more like that going forward then I'll have no complaints, even if it is alongside all these live service games. My concern at this point is 2024. Will Sony have any games ready for next year? Hopefully after Spider-man 2 is launched, Sony can catch up on the PR work that they have seemingly fallen far behind on, not that they were ever really good at it.
I don't know if Sony would have anything ready for 2024. Well...any single-player stuff at least. And that's fine by me, I rather they come when they are ready than come in hot. it's not like we aren't still getting some decent games.

As for the whole GAAS stuff and this idea that Sony is somehow shifting focus from what works, that's something I just don't agree with. Simply because to me, I feel they aren't substituting their traditional output with GAAS but rather just adding GAAS to their traditional stuff. And the proof of this is that none of the studios that traditionally make the `Sony` games we all know and love, are now somehow making a live service game.
 
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Topher

Identifies as young
I don't know if Sony would have anything ready for 2024. Well...any single-payer stuff at least. And that's fine by me, I rather they come when they are ready than come in hot. it's not like we aren't still getting some decent games.

As for the whole GAAS stuff and this idea that Sony is somehow shifting focus from what works, that's something I just don't agree with. Simply because to me, I feel they aren't substituting their traditional output with GAAS but rather just adding GAAS to their traditional stuff. And the proof of this is that none of the studios that traditionally make the `Sony` games we all know and love, are now somehow making a live service game.

Are we sure none of those studios are making live service games? I was under the impression they were. I will be happy to be wrong. Thrilled even.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I don't know if Sony would have anything ready for 2024. Well...any single-player stuff at least. And that's fine by me, I rather they come when they are ready than come in hot. it's not like we aren't still getting some decent games.

As for the whole GAAS stuff and this idea that Sony is somehow shifting focus from what works, that's something I just don't agree with. Simply because to me, I feel they aren't substituting their traditional output with GAAS but rather just adding GAAS to their traditional stuff. And the proof of this is that none of the studios that traditionally make the `Sony` games we all know and love, are now somehow making a live service game.
They literally said when this was announced and in investor calls, that this was in "addition to" what is already there. They even increased their traditional games budget alongside adding a budget for gaas which included gaas studio purchases or contracts.

But there are those who want to ignore the context and nuance to push or indulge in doom & gloom. And there are others who don't know the meat and potatoes because the former drowns out the context.

Reminds me of the "Ratchet & Clank is only possible on the PS5" bullshit, or the "we believe in generations" crap. Both of which were purposely being pushed with intellectual dishonesty.
 
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Mr.Phoenix

Member
Are we sure none of those studios are making live service games? I was under the impression they were. I will be happy to be wrong. Thrilled even.
So far, with all that has been announced? Yes, we're sure. Trust me, if I hear SP, Housemarqe, Bluepoint, Asobi, ND..etc are making a live service game instead of the stuff they usually make,I would be first in line with my torch. I have been silently sharpening my machete just very patiently waiting to hear what Bend is doing next. They better not have canned days gone 2 (even if 1 wasn't that great) for a GAAS title. I don't care what they do, as long as it's not a GAAS.

let's leave the GAAS stuff to Bungie and co.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
So far, with all that has been announced? Yes, we're sure. Trust me, if I hear SP, Housemarqe, Bluepoint, Asobi, ND..etc are making a live service game instead of the stuff they usually make,I would be first in line with my torch. I have been silently sharpening my machete just very patiently waiting to hear what Bend is doing next. They better not have canned days gone 2 (even if 1 wasn't that great) for a GAAS title. I don't care what they do, as long as it's not a GAAS.

let's leave the GAAS stuff to Bungie and co.
I can see Bend going a Syphon Filter GaaS hahahaha
 

Mr.Phoenix

Member
I can see Bend going a Syphon Filter GaaS hahahaha
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Medi Evil GaaS
Syphon Filter GaaS
Blasto GaaS
Jak and Daxter GaaS
Riiiiidge Racer GaaS
And Many More GaaS

The possibilities are endless

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supernova8

Banned
I'd say this thread demonstrates that GAF is actually not full of Sony fanboys. Seems more like people just expect better from Playstation, not so much from Xbox.

Surely if they were all blind fanboys we'd just have a wall of "yeeeahhh boizzz lets goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" etc, where as the majority of this thread seems to be people saying "it'll probably be shit, whatever".

Case Closed Starz GIF by Power Book II: Ghost
 
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DrFigs

Member
I don't know if Sony would have anything ready for 2024. Well...any single-player stuff at least. And that's fine by me, I rather they come when they are ready than come in hot. it's not like we aren't still getting some decent games.

As for the whole GAAS stuff and this idea that Sony is somehow shifting focus from what works, that's something I just don't agree with. Simply because to me, I feel they aren't substituting their traditional output with GAAS but rather just adding GAAS to their traditional stuff. And the proof of this is that none of the studios that traditionally make the `Sony` games we all know and love, are now somehow making a live service game.
People just hate change. Sony hasn't made a multiplayer game in a long ass time and it's an area of weakness for them that I'm glad they're finally addressing.
 

Cyberpunkd

Gold Member
Maybe we'll get an inside look at the PlayStation Portal.
This is what I’m hoping for. Great day today - Cyberpunk stream so hopefully the patch 2.0 will drop as well, Nintendo Direct, State of Play.

If not today I expect Sony to talk more about Portal around TGS.
 

bitbydeath

Gold Member
I’m fine with GaaS as long as they get it right.
Warhawk as a FTP GaaS? Sign me the F up!

Socom and Twisted Metal would also work as GaaS games. Motorstorm could work wonders as a GaaS as well.
 
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Are we sure none of those studios are making live service games? I was under the impression they were. I will be happy to be wrong. Thrilled even.
Naughty Dog is making TLOU multiplayer which will be a GaaS game.But that game is important, if it has the usual Naughty Dog quality and is fun could be a big hit.People count Gran Turismo as GaaS game that is also made by a big first party developer.The most other ones are from new bought/build studios like Haven.
 

Danjin44

The nicest person on this forum
I feel like hibernating through this Gen.
Barring a few notable titles, it's been an absolute snooze fest.
I feel like the only good games we get now are remakes.
To me its fucking unbelievable that you guys can't find one game to enjoy this entire gen.......I just cant understand it.....that sound fucking miserable.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Sucker Punch? Well, maybe not, Tsushima was just three years ago. But man, I need a sequel to that.
Ghost of Tsushima will most likely release in 2025. They can technically announce it today, but it doesn't really make sense from Sony's POV.

As I listed above, they have enough exclusive games until June 2024. I even forgot to mention exclusive games like Lost Souls Aside, Granblue Fantasy Relink, Silent Hill 2 Remake, Foamstars, Convallaria, etc. That's averaging more than 1 exclusive game per month.

As much as we'd like to see more stuff, I think it makes sense for Sony to bide their time and do a bigger blast in June/July 2024 along with the PS5 Pro announcements. If they do that, they will have an opportunity to showcase all that bigger AAA stuff in even higher fidelity on a PS5 Pro - which will also help them sell that console even more.

Emptying the clip at this point doesn't make sense for them -- especially when they continue to top console sales charts.

Showing Ghost of Tsushima 2 on a PS5 vs. Showing Ghost of Tsushima 2 on a PS5 Pro? It's an easy decision to make for Sony.
 
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buenoblue

Member
1: Stop paying overpriced Hollywood writers and VAs

2: Maybe start finding alternatives to using 3D models for every single part of the graphics pipeline that isn't a texture

3: Problem (somewhat) solved.
I don't really think that's the problem. People just expect so much more nowadays from games. I think making the the detail, polish and gameplay mechanics that people expect just takes longer and more work than ever. This is obvious by how long between big studios time between games.
 

FeralEcho

Member
eventually Sony are just gonna blow a big disgusting cummy first party load on us and i can't tell if it's gonna be amazing or if it's going to be super disappointing because they have kept everything so hidden.
Heard this shit so many times its become a meme like the Xbox "this year we'll have the biggest lineup ever" that happens every year yet there's no actual evidence to it.

Same with Sony,all i hear from people is how Sony is quiet cuz next year they'll blow their load with a huge showcase,showcase came after 2 years of nothing and it was a a pile of shit,afterwards the excuse was that they're keeping stuff back for another showcase and they'll blow their load with that one...well,still waiting...aaaaand waiting...oops stopped giving a fuck.

The only blowing happening is Jim Ryan blowing me after all his dumbass decisions.
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
1: Stop paying overpriced Hollywood writers and VAs

2: Maybe start finding alternatives to using 3D models for every single part of the graphics pipeline that isn't a texture

3: Problem (somewhat) solved.
I don't really think that's the problem. People just expect so much more nowadays from games. I think making the the detail, polish and gameplay mechanics that people expect just takes longer and more work than ever. This is obvious by how long between big studios time between games.
Yeah, Miles Morales is a good example of that.

Sony and Insomniac were really smart and efficient with that:
  • They reused assets to make a new game
  • They released it within 18 months from start to finish at a time when AAA games take 5+ years of development.
  • They were smart enough to make it a "winter" game to make the game look different.
  • They told the story of a different character, Miles Morales, that still ties into the 1st and 2nd Spider-Man games.
  • They made one more game available at the PS5 launch
  • They birthed a new team in Insomniac that's now working on Wolverine independently
  • They sold the game at a discounted price of $49.99
But so many people dismiss that as "expansion", "DLC", or "not a real/full game."

Then the same people complain when they don't get a new game from a studio even after 5-6 years. It's stupid.
 

StueyDuck

Member
Heard this shit so many times its become a meme like the Xbox "this year we'll have the biggest lineup ever" that happens every year yet there's no actual evidence to it.

Same with Sony,all i hear from people is how Sony is quiet cuz next year they'll blow their load with a huge showcase,showcase came after 2 years of nothing and it was a a pile of shit,afterwards the excuse was that they're keeping stuff back for another showcase and they'll blow their load with that one...well,still waiting...aaaaand waiting...oops stopped giving a fuck.

The only blowing happening is Jim Ryan blowing me after all his dumbass decisions.
I will say it is a bit different because we do know Sony has studios that have delivered the heat before so we know there's studios like naughty dog and sucker punch bluepoint, housemarque etc who we know are definitely working on something.

Where as MS just bought a whole bunch of studios and we really were never sure entirely what they were going to deliver.

So it was a different type of excitement in that sense.

But you are right we hear this over and over and Sony keeps holding their cards closer and closer to their chest each year.

That's why I say it's gonna end up being a disappointment when it ends up actually happening because it's either gonna under deliver like "uncharted 5 and horizon remaster" or it's all gonna leak weeks before by some basement dweller who wants followers on Twitter
 
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L*][*N*K

Banned
What are you talking about they don't have anything to show?
  • Rise of the Ronin
  • Helldivers 2
  • Stellar Blade
  • FFVII Rebirth
  • Concord (GaaS)
  • Death Stranding 2
  • Wolverine (Not confirmed for 2024 and unlikely)
These are all announced exclusive titles that are expected to launch by 2024 ends. There may be even more games that would be near the end of their dev cycle, which Sony can announce:
  • Santa Monica's next game. (??)
  • Team Asobi's next game. (??)
  • Bluepoint's next game. (??)
  • Ballistic Moon's game. (??)
At this point, it is very clear that (1) Sony feels no pressure from their competitor and (2) the would rather save all their big announcements for next year showcase in which they'd announce the PS5 Pro.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT NON-GAAS FIRST PARTY TITLES, only one game is a first party title that you mentioned, and that game is not confirmed for 2024, you need to calm down the moment someone says something negative about Sony it doesn't mean he needs to be burned alive.

and those hopeful games you talked about later in your article are hopeful titles, it is like me being hopeful that the next Zelda or Fallout are eventually coming, none confirmed for 2024.

Stop being a fudtard.
Sorry, pointing out reality is "Fudtard"??
 

DrFigs

Member
I WAS TALKING ABOUT NON-GAAS FIRST PARTY TITLES, only one game is a first party title that you mentioned, and that game is not confirmed for 2024, you need to calm down the moment someone says something negative about Sony it doesn't mean he needs to be burned alive.

and those hopeful games you talked about later in your article are hopeful titles, it is like me being hopeful that the next Zelda or Fallout are eventually coming, none confirmed for 2024.


Sorry, pointing out reality is "Fudtard"??
the goofy obsession with sony making only single player games is annoying to some
 

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
I WAS TALKING ABOUT NON-GAAS FIRST PARTY TITLES, only one game is a first party title that you mentioned, and that game is not confirmed for 2024, you need to calm down the moment someone says something negative about Sony it doesn't mean he needs to be burned alive.

and those hopeful games you talked about later in your article are hopeful titles, it is like me being hopeful that the next Zelda or Fallout are eventually coming, none confirmed for 2024.
Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade, Death Stranding 2, Lost Souls Aside, Convallaria, Helldivers 2, are all first-party titles. They are published by SIE and co-developed by xDev, which is an in-house first-party studio.

And you definitely did not say NON-GAAS first-party title.

They don’t have anything to show, all of their studios are working on GaaS games and those games take a long time to produce.

Side note: is there any confirmed first party game for 2024?
And why would you even discard them anyway in the first place? A game is a game.

Also, who is not calm? I calmly answered your question. You asked if there are any games scheduled for 2024? I shared the list. Then you got triggered.
 
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Sintoid

Member
I would really love to know who is in charghe of scheduling this kind of events.
They should fire the interest not being a boring developement blog

And by the way the format is ugly, those animated panels with a neutral narrator... I can't see and hear it
 

Eliciel

Member
Well, their sales are up by quite a bit I guess they don't need to hype Up anything that's already hyped up?
 

Mr.Phoenix

Member
I WAS TALKING ABOUT NON-GAAS FIRST PARTY TITLES, only one game is a first party title that you mentioned, and that game is not confirmed for 2024, you need to calm down the moment someone says something negative about Sony it doesn't mean he needs to be burned alive.

and those hopeful games you talked about later in your article are hopeful titles, it is like me being hopeful that the next Zelda or Fallout are eventually coming, none confirmed for 2024.


Sorry, pointing out reality is "Fudtard"??
Don't die on that sword my guy... its not worth it.
And by the way the format is ugly, those animated panels with a neutral narrator... I can't see and hear it
So you would rather have some action movie Hollywood voice belting out World premiere every 3 mins before a new trailer starts? Or some kindergarten teacher-sounding dude narrating the trailer you are watching (which also has animated panels mind you)? Honesty, when you start complaining about stuff like that, that is probably an indication that it's time to take a break.
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
I think Sony is in a lot more trouble than people realize when it comes to their first-party development.

As others have said we don't really have a single confirmed game for 2024, though I'm sure we can rely on another MLB The Show game. Though still stunning that they aren't releasing these on PC yet.

When in Sony's entire history have we not known a single game confirmed for an entire 12+ month period, especially after a pretty dry 2023...?

Day's Gone was released in early 2019, yet we don't even know what Sony Bend has? We're pushing nearly 5 years... So it sounds like a combination of covid and probably development issues. We know they were recruiting around Unreal Engine, which in itself is miraculous for a first-party studio.

Ghost of Tsushima was released in 2020 and we haven't seen anything from Sucker Punch since.
Dreams came out in early 2020 and Media Molecule is shedding employees and founders. Would not be surprised if MM closes down, yet it's hard to understand why Dreams wasn't ported to PC.

Naughty Dog's live service game was delayed because it didn't meet expectations. 3 years into the generation and we haven't seen anything from them other than a port and a remake.

Polyphony Digital still hasn't ported GT7 to PC.

Bluepoint released Demon's Souls in 2020 and again nothing to show since.

The Twisted Metal TV show came and went without ANY showing of the game.

London Studio has yet to put out a PS5 game and their last game came out in 2019...

The biggest games Sony has made over the last 3 years have been cross-gen games... Something very strange is going on that studios across the board are struggling. Maybe it's the new hybrid nature of work and more remote work, combined with significant delays via covid and probably a lack of infrastructure to really support remote game development.

I doubt Pixelopus will be the last studio closed for Sony this generation. Deviation Games while not owned by Sony, certainly is on the verge of closure as a result of things not going well. Haven Studio's game looks like complete trash, really begging the question as to why Sony bought them.

One could say that Sony really needs to look at their marketing and their lack of a roadmap, but at the same time the PS5 is selling like hotcakes. And there was once a time where Sony wasn't even a major publisher. Ultimately, I think we're seeing an impact across the industry with unfinished/rushed games, games that don't innovate. AAA is a really bad space to be in right now.
 

DrFigs

Member
I think Sony is in a lot more trouble than people realize when it comes to their first-party development.

As others have said we don't really have a single confirmed game for 2024, though I'm sure we can rely on another MLB The Show game. Though still stunning that they aren't releasing these on PC yet.

When in Sony's entire history have we not known a single game confirmed for an entire 12+ month period, especially after a pretty dry 2023...?

Day's Gone was released in early 2019, yet we don't even know what Sony Bend has? We're pushing nearly 5 years... So it sounds like a combination of covid and probably development issues. We know they were recruiting around Unreal Engine, which in itself is miraculous for a first-party studio.

Ghost of Tsushima was released in 2020 and we haven't seen anything from Sucker Punch since.
Dreams came out in early 2020 and Media Molecule is shedding employees and founders. Would not be surprised if MM closes down, yet it's hard to understand why Dreams wasn't ported to PC.

Naughty Dog's live service game was delayed because it didn't meet expectations. 3 years into the generation and we haven't seen anything from them other than a port and a remake.

Polyphony Digital still hasn't ported GT7 to PC.

Bluepoint released Demon's Souls in 2020 and again nothing to show since.

The Twisted Metal TV show came and went without ANY showing of the game.

London Studio has yet to put out a PS5 game and their last game came out in 2019...

The biggest games Sony has made over the last 3 years have been cross-gen games... Something very strange is going on that studios across the board are struggling. Maybe it's the new hybrid nature of work and more remote work, combined with significant delays via covid and probably a lack of infrastructure to really support remote game development.

I doubt Pixelopus will be the last studio closed for Sony this generation. Deviation Games while not owned by Sony, certainly is on the verge of closure as a result of things not going well. Haven Studio's game looks like complete trash, really begging the question as to why Sony bought them.

One could say that Sony really needs to look at their marketing and their lack of a roadmap, but at the same time the PS5 is selling like hotcakes. And there was once a time where Sony wasn't even a major publisher. Ultimately, I think we're seeing an impact across the industry with unfinished/rushed games, games that don't innovate. AAA is a really bad space to be in right now.
I think it's bizarre that Sony refuses to lisense out more of their properties. there was sackboy's big adventure 3 years ago and nothing since. they have so many properties that they can just pay people to make games for, like what Nintendo does. this was what was baffling about the Patapon kickstarter. you have ex playstation devs that want to make a Patapon spiritual successor - why not just pay them to make an actual Patapon game? It's odd. Clearly this is an industry wide problem of games taking longer to make (xbox is most definitely having the same problem), but there are solutions if the leadership was better.
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
I think it's bizarre that Sony refuses to lisense out more of their properties. there was sackboy's big adventure 3 years ago and nothing since. they have so many properties that they can just pay people to make games for, like what Nintendo does. this was what was baffling about the Patapon kickstarter. you have ex playstation devs that want to make a Patapon spiritual successor - why not just pay them to make an actual Patapon game? It's odd. Clearly this is an industry wide problem of games taking longer to make (xbox is most definitely having the same problem), but there are solutions if the leadership was better.

They haven't had a ton of success when it comes to that. I'd say that Sackboy isn't really a great example either.

Patapon didn't really sell well and was mainly meant to be a driver of the portable systems that Sony no longer manufactures. Not surprising that they wouldn't support another Patapon.

I think Sony's answer to the long development times is to focus more on 3rd party games to fill the gap and that they'll come in towards the latter part of the generation with some bangers that are hopefully pretty polished. That and their GaaS games. I think GaaS is going to be rough out of th gate for Sony.

But just really baffling moves that I'd love to sit down and interview someone on. I've said for a long time but the following games are dying to be on PC:

GT7
Dreams
MLB The Show
Bloodborne
Demon's Souls

I could see why Bloodborne might be difficult, but Demon's Souls should be relatively easy and it would probably sell more on PC than it did on PS5 with some moderate advertising.

Their PC strategy seems to be brain-dead.
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
I don't know if Sony would have anything ready for 2024. Well...any single-player stuff at least. And that's fine by me, I rather they come when they are ready than come in hot. it's not like we aren't still getting some decent games.

As for the whole GAAS stuff and this idea that Sony is somehow shifting focus from what works, that's something I just don't agree with. Simply because to me, I feel they aren't substituting their traditional output with GAAS but rather just adding GAAS to their traditional stuff. And the proof of this is that none of the studios that traditionally make the `Sony` games we all know and love, are now somehow making a live service game.

The majority of PlayStation Studios are making Live Service games. The only big one that hasn't hired for multiplayer is Santa Monica.
 

consoul

Member
The Absolute State of Play.


j/k, I'm all in. Tell me about PSVR2 stuff and some indies. I genuinely want to hear it.
 

Sintoid

Member
So you would rather have some action movie Hollywood voice belting out World premiere every 3 mins before a new trailer starts? Or some kindergarten teacher-sounding dude narrating the trailer you are watching (which also has animated panels mind you)? Honesty, when you start complaining about stuff like that, that is probably an indication that it's time to take a break.
So you don't have any middle solution?
Nintendo Direct doesn't exist, can't hurt you?
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
I think Sony is just stretched too thin and they're making bad management decisions chasing the GaaS dragon. They know that they only need to hit on one or two games, but still some of this stuff is already looking really bad (Haven Studios).

But I just don't understand how they didn't think, hey we've already gotten this award-winning game in Dreams that could easily monetize on PC and PS5... let's lean into that. That's GaaS right there. Make it F2P, add VR support, etc.

We all know Gran Turismo 7 would sell well on PC... why isn't it on PC? Because Polyphony Digital has never made a PC game... hence they need help with the port. That is where a company like Nixxes really has to step in, but I'm guessing it's difficult for this Dutch company to work on a Japanese title.

So what should they do? They should be working on putting together a Nixxes studio in Japan. A studio that can work on first and 3rd party games. It would be a profitable endeavor for sure.
 
Sony has yet to show us ONE single next gen looking game on the horizon.
Even after their last showcase left us high and dry with freakin Spiderman 2 of all games not even looking next gen! They are tone deaf to not be trying to show that they are in fact still the Sony we used to know. Sony get your shit together. They should be hyping Spidey 2 but you can't tell me they didn't phone it in graphics wise. I probably wouldn't want to show it much if i was in their shoes as they know it'll sell anyway.

I'm definitely worried about Sony in the next couple years. They have not showed up like they did last gen, where by now we were literally getting blown away by games like Uncharted 4.
 
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