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The Legend of Korra: Book 4 |OT2| ALL HAIL THE GREAT UNITER
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JadedWriter
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Looks body looks to an Ass Creed game for quality.
TacticalFox88
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If you guys are down now I can definitely start saving as the cost for a flight from here in NC and hotels on average is $1600. More than enough time if I'm frugal
JadedWriter
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I only liked 2 and 4. The first one put me to sleep, literally and I didn't by any of the yearly expansions of two because I like diversity.ACIII is my favorite AC next to the first one.
Then again, I'm a black sheep when it comes to the AC fanbase in general, so...
I got bored of Italy FAST in AC2, and didn't care much for Brotherhood. It was a godsend to be in Constantinople for ACR, though.
Also got bored in AC4 as well. Sailing the open seas gets old fast.
Hmm, I might give it a shot then. I'll have to get off my lazy ass first though.
JadedWriter
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I didn't even get that far in two. I straight bailed on it after I died while punching some guy off a building in some stupid mission. I punched him off and the game's like "whelp you punched him off while being too close to the edge yourself, so you can follow him down." That was like 4 years ago and I haven't played that game since. I really don't like that franchise at all, hence the two games.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Here is a revised version of my letter. Thanks for the feedback already received. I'll keep revising as long as I keep getting feedback.
m_shortpants
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I actually really like the setting if AC1.
Loved AC2, Brotherhood, and Revelations.
Not a fan of 3,4, and I haven't played Unity.
Unfortunately, I doubt they will care. Because at the end of the day, it's a business. They care about making money and pleasing their share holders. That trumps quality, and any kind of social messaging that show might have (and the potential it has to impact people in a positive way).
I would argue though, that the show had potential to make them money (that it could have been both. That doing both would have actually made them more money). That is where I would focus this on. Say that it meant something to a lot of people, but that it also could have made them money if they had properly supported it (talk about the lack of commercials/advertising. The erratic scheduling. Their failure to re-adjust the time slot after Book 2's numbers were down (not moving it back to Saturday's). Their refusal to do proper merchandise.
That is where you should focus. Because while the other stuff is important, it means jack shit to them. They care about $$$. So if you are going to approach this from an emotional perspective and how these things matter to people, it also needs to have the side of the coin that is about $$$$. They could care less about gender/racial equality.
EDIT: Made a typo. I meant move it back to saturday mornings, not Friday.
I would argue though, that the show had potential to make them money (that it could have been both. That doing both would have actually made them more money). That is where I would focus this on. Say that it meant something to a lot of people, but that it also could have made them money if they had properly supported it (talk about the lack of commercials/advertising. The erratic scheduling. Their failure to re-adjust the time slot after Book 2's numbers were down (not moving it back to Saturday's). Their refusal to do proper merchandise.
That is where you should focus. Because while the other stuff is important, it means jack shit to them. They care about $$$. So if you are going to approach this from an emotional perspective and how these things matter to people, it also needs to have the side of the coin that is about $$$$. They could care less about gender/racial equality.
EDIT: Made a typo. I meant move it back to saturday mornings, not Friday.
Pai Pai Master
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Seriously when they announced The Legend of Korra, I imagined young girls (and boys) going nuts for Korra action figures and merchandise and stuff. She seemed so cool and it was awesome to have a girl avatar.
The show had so much potential from both a creative and marketing standpoint but everyone involved dropped the ball.
The show had so much potential from both a creative and marketing standpoint but everyone involved dropped the ball.
From what I understand, toys for girls are coming under heavy scrutiny finally. Especially around Barbie dolls.
I do recall this line of toys that promoted girls getting into STEM programs. However the big issue with these toys, apparently, was the fact they were this blond haired girl white girl in suspenders, holding a wrench.
*shrug*
The numbers for Book 1 were strong. Even higher than ATLA's peak. But them shifting it to Saturday was a big mistake. And the fact that they never re-adjusted their scheduling after they saw the drop off, that's really a major misstep. Any network should be fluid, and react to what the audience is telling them.
It's rare to see a network just allow something to keep failing when it previously was a success. IMO that should be a big part of the letter. Like focusing on how Nick did things that made the show less successful. I would hammer home that they had the insane numbers in Book 1 on the Saturday morning time slot, but then they refused to adjust it after clearly the new time slot wasn't working.
Icyflamez96
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you now know true pain
Icyflamez96
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This is pretty much a Young Justice thread now. So load it up and watch it with us
We're also doing a communtiy rewatch of Avatar sometime in the new year, so come and join us as we re live the horror of the love triangle all over again
JadedWriter
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I still don't understand the merchandising female characters problem. It's very easy to find Sailor Moon stuff:
I think a big problem with Nick is that, they look at the overall demographics that make them money. And that is the demographic they want to push the company moving forward. That's the younger kids demographics. That is where the CEO is moving things for the shareholders. It's the new initiative.
Since Korra is more of an adult show, it no longer fit in with where the company is going. The problem is, they failed to look at the shows Demographics, and cater to it specifically for it. Most adults are busy or are out on Friday nights. Most people are at home Saturday morning. And so not only can adults watch it Saturdays, you also have young kids watching Saturday morning cartoons. It's a one-two punch.
I feel because they were focusing on this other demographic, they lost sight of the demographic attached to Korra. And they stopped doing this that would work with this demographic. But that also is why the numbers kept dropping, and why it kept spiraling the show further and further down.
They really dropped the ball in a big fuckn way, by not re-adjusting that timeslot, and doing a better job working with the shows core demographic. Guess they stopped giving a fuck, since the companies new focus/initiative was on the new demographic.
Since Korra is more of an adult show, it no longer fit in with where the company is going. The problem is, they failed to look at the shows Demographics, and cater to it specifically for it. Most adults are busy or are out on Friday nights. Most people are at home Saturday morning. And so not only can adults watch it Saturdays, you also have young kids watching Saturday morning cartoons. It's a one-two punch.
I feel because they were focusing on this other demographic, they lost sight of the demographic attached to Korra. And they stopped doing this that would work with this demographic. But that also is why the numbers kept dropping, and why it kept spiraling the show further and further down.
They really dropped the ball in a big fuckn way, by not re-adjusting that timeslot, and doing a better job working with the shows core demographic. Guess they stopped giving a fuck, since the companies new focus/initiative was on the new demographic.
I still don't understand the merchandising female characters problem. It's very easy to find Sailor Moon stuff:
They had Pabu/naga. They had Tenzin. They had Bolin (and lol Mako). Female issues aside (I don't agree that female toys are harder to market, personally)...but even that aside, there was no excuse for not having toys.
Hell, an Amon action figure would have been rad. They should have been doing action figures for each season. I think the issue is, maybe because the shows demographic was for adults, they just figured that it wasn't worth taking the risk making toys. Since younger kids weren't watching the show. Fair enough. But that is no excuse for not having more t-shirts, posters, and other things that appeal to the shows older demographic. They pretty much just ignored the people that were watching this show. REALLY...that is the main issue.
I think that should be what is in that letter, personally. That they ignored the demographic attached to the show. I saw so many people on forums, and reddit. And many places (cons etc.), that were begging for Korra stuff. They wanted posters. They wanted keychains. They wanted t-shirts or hoodies and backpacks. Nick 100% dropped the fuckin ball with merchandising. So toys aside, it was a disgrace.
JadedWriter
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That just sounds sexist. I'd buy a Play Arts Kai version of Korra, Kuvira, Ming-Hua, Lin and P'Li so hard.
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SilentMatthew
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Well yeah it is sexist. I mean, I understand where they are coming from in terms of, boys having issues playing with girl action figures. But that is more of an issue with Society enforcing meaningless gender roles. I doubt young kids that age would give two shits whether the action figure is female or not. Especially when the character has powers and is bad ass.
The problem with any of this stuff, is that people never want to take the risk. But then it's them not taking the risk, which continues the very thing they say is the reason they don't take the risk. It's a never ending cycle. I edited my post to add a bit more. But even if they generally thought the adult demographic doesn't buy toys, they should have then catered to the demographic with merchandise that appeals to that age range. I mean come on. It's common sense yo.
This is pretty much a Young Justice thread now. So load it up and watch it with us
We're also doing a communtiy rewatch of Avatar sometime in the new year, so come and join us as we re live the horror of the love triangle all over again
I already went through withdrawal for young justice not getting a third season so I'm right up there with you guys lol.
Will do a avatar rewatch too.
Hold off on that. We are making a community Avatar thread (that will be about ATLA and Korra). We will be doing a re-watch of ATLA first (and we will do it like 2-3 episodes a week). And treat it like we are watching it live. And we will comment on episodes in this thread.
Eventually we will work to Korra. So if you missed out on commenting when Korra was live, you will get your chance.
So is this Japan thing actually happening? If it is than I wouldn't mind coming along, I've always wanted to go there, and my sister would be so jealous that I went to Japan before her, but she's still a poor student so she'll have to deal with it
I would need a save up a bit though, since I'm planning on getting my British Citizenship in the next year or so, and that's going to take a bit of money.
I would need a save up a bit though, since I'm planning on getting my British Citizenship in the next year or so, and that's going to take a bit of money.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Here is a paragraph on the financial side. Any suggestions for alterations? Also, where would be a good place to have this paragraph in the letter?
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Serenade_King
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I finally got around listening to the Korra Book 1 commentary since the series has ended, it has been really good as of now. I'm on episode 5 and really started laughing when they're talking about they guy who says hi to Mako being called Mof (Mako's only fan). And for those who want more Korrasami should listen to the commentaries, Janet Varney seems to be a big Asami fan.
SilentMatthew
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Of course, most of it is complied here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg1RnAGncBQI finally got around listening to the Korra Book 1 commentary since the series has ended, it has been really good as of now. I'm on episode 5 and really started laughing when they're talking about they guy who says hi to Mako being called Mof (Mako's only fan). And for those who want more Korrasami should listen to the commentaries, Janet Varney seems to be a big Asami fan.
She's, like, Korrasami's biggest shipper.
Also, SG-17, I like the letter. Though I can't really say anything to add or improve on. I've personally never written to a business before.
Sounds awesome.
Good stuff. I still think you should criticize them for how they handled the show overall. In terms of, not adjusting the time slot after it failed on Fridays. I would just point out the hard numbers in Book 1. How successful it was. Then how it tanked on Saturdays (and they didn't adjust the time slot. They left it there. And how Saturdays worked for the adult demographic, as well as the kid demographic. That friday's didn't work).
I would approach it from the perspective that, it could have been successful for them financially, if only they had catered to the shows demographic (the time slot, the lack of having merchandise for that age range, like clothing, posters, books, pens, backpacks etc.). Basically their complete lack of support, is what led the show not be financially successful. Since they only care about $$$, it's really the only thing that would make them re-think what they are doing IMO.
lol. Well, if you are going to criticize them, you should at least explain why they failed on a financial level, and how they COULD have made money. That the show failed financially, was on them, for not supporting it. And you do this by pointing out all their missteps. I think, the reason you do this is because...they won't give a damn about your criticism unless you tell them about how the show could have made money. If you only focus on like how positive Korra was for people, why should they give a damn.
They only care about $$$ and pleasing their shareholders. They don't give two shits about social messaging, or the impact this show had on peoples lives.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Neither have I. I'm just spitballing here. My historical writing training does not really help me here.
Serenade_King
Banned
Yeah, I have seen it before but I always guessed that it being edited maybe it wouldn't be so obvious when I saw the unedited commentaries. She really loses it when Asami is on screen, and I can only laugh since I now know Korrasami is canon.
JadedWriter
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Though it's sad how you can get all that cool shit in Japan regarding female figures.
There was no excuse for the merchandising. Again, if they didn't want toys because the age demographic was older, where the fuck were the backpacks, shirts, hoodies, keychains, posters, pens etc. Nick basically didn't give a shit about this shows demographics and it shows.
They didn't give a fuck about the timeslot. Didn't give a fuck about the merchandising.
Then they complain when the shows ratings drop or doesn't do well financially. Gee I wonder why. I bet Nick right now thinks its the shows fault that it didn't do well $$$ wise. In their heads, they think it just proves their belief that the $$$ is in the younger demographics (the direction they are going). They have their heads so far up their own ass, they don't realize they tanked their own show and ruined its chances of being financially successful. But in their minds, its the older demographic/mature show that was to blame.
m_shortpants
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I'm sure Nick would have held focus groups to test merchandise and all that which led them to their conclusions.
I'll never understand the switch in timeslot to Friday though.
I'll never understand the switch in timeslot to Friday though.
Maybe with toys. But I find it hard to believe that young adults and adults didn't want posters or like very basic things that that demographic usually buys. I mean, the world of Avatar has a lot of cool imagery to it. I can't believe the majority didn't want like at least posters and shit.
Yeah the timeslot stuff was inexcusable. Even if they had focus tests, or reasons for making that switch, the minute it started failing and bleeding numbers at massive rate, they should have pulled the show from scheduling for a week or two, and re-launched the show at a new timeslot with advertising for it. Every network does it. It's apart of running a damn network. Insane they refused to change that back, and did nothing.
You know what else older demographics enjoy to buy? It's this silly little toy called MUSIC. OSTS. SOUNDTRACKS. CDS. SOUND OF ANY KIND.
m_shortpants
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I blame everything on Spongebob. That cash generating bastard has made it hard for other IPs to hold up.
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Xpike
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This whole thing reminds of Invader Zim, Nick pushing a teenager series on air and then going crazy over it not resonating with kids even though the intended demographic was crazy over the show. And then in 10 years we'll see Korrasami shirts on Hot Topic.
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