Hah yes. Should have included that in my list. OMG. I mean...the fact that they won't even allow Zuckerman to release the music digitally. FUCKIN DIGITALLY.
Just wow. Fuckin wow.
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The Legend of Korra: Book 4 |OT2| ALL HAIL THE GREAT UNITER
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Hah yes. Should have included that in my list. OMG. I mean...the fact that they won't even allow Zuckerman to release the music digitally. FUCKIN DIGITALLY.
Just wow. Fuckin wow.
m_shortpants
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If they don't release it digitally Zuckerman needs to "leak" it accidentally
lol. Someone hacked my computer.
JadedWriter
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He can just blame it on the North Koreans.
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Xpike
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like, making toys for Avatar must be one of the easiest things in the world. Just get Aang and some air thingies that can be detached, Zuko with his dual swords + fire, Katara with waterfalls, Toph with rocks, Sokka and his boomerang. For the other peeps there's also OSTs, posters with amazing art. You can even make some airbender staffs which are literally pieces of wood, some Blue Spirit masks, etc. Can't believe Nick fucked that up.
Isn't Nickelodeon struggling right now when compared to the other networks?
They lean on shows that are long past their prime (Fairly Odd Parents, Spongebob) and don't produce enough new content and mishandle the shows they do have.
I hate to be THAT person but 1990s Nickelodeon had much better programming because the network was still young and they were willing to invest in new/different things in order to draw viewers.
m_shortpants
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I wonder if the switch to online release for Korra was experiment. I mean, I kind of want to commend them as I think a lot of other networks (coughcartoonnetworkcough) would simply cancel the series altogether.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Okay, here the near-final version of the financial section. I'm going to both email and snail mail the letter.
Could be. Maybe it was just a financial thing, so they are less likely to take risks, or spend money. But it's like, why spend money for a TV show, and then not spend money to support it.
Can't make money without spending money. And you can't expect a show to succeed if you aren't going to put things into it. I just look at how massively successful Book 1 was, and it blows my mind how they take that, and just run it into the ground.
Good stuff. Honestly, I think your letter is pretty damn solid overall now. I'm not sure if they will read it, or care. But you did go about it the right way. You criticized them for not supporting a show that had a massive social impact on people (that really impacted peoples lives in a powerful way), while also hitting them where it hurts (financially, and explaining why it could have made them money, and why they are responsible for not making money). I honestly think that is the only approach to this sort of thing.
So great job.
m_shortpants
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Sometimes I wonder if there was bad blood between Nick and Bryke somewhere.
From Bryke's dialogue in the past, I think so.
I've had that thought too. I do know that Nick originally, didn't want Korra to be female. They rejected the idea of their next show having a female protagonist. They didn't think it would be successful among young males (which is their core demographic). And I know they originally gave Bryke resistance, even after they told Bryke they could have freedom to do what they wanted, as long as it was in the Avatar universe.
Nick eventually caved in. But I imagine, this kind of set things off on the wrong foot. That they already didn't have faith in a female protagonist, and were already feeling iffy on Bryke's new show before it aired.
And just based on some of the shit Bryke has said in interviews and on tumblr, it seems like there is bad blood there. I mean, given their budget cuts, time limitations, and Nick not supporting it, I can only imagine how Bryke felt after the amount of work they put in.
But lol Fuck Nick. From the very beginning they were against a female protagonist. They are anti-progression.
BKatastrophe
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So I see y'all had a conversation about Buffy while I was away. I'm a little saddened by that.
m_shortpants
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So I see y'all had a conversation about Buffy while I was away. I'm a little saddened by that. Anyways, here's a hype gif from TLoK, since it is a TLoK thread.
Dat sweet sweet book one
Yeah. Book One on Blu Ray looks amazing. Seriously. Has the highest quality out of all the seasons.
The bad blood had to have started with The Last Airbender film. No doubt about it.
m_shortpants
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Last night there was a momentary book one renaissance in the thread. We were all posting book one gifs
So beautiful ;_;7
Tal Shiar Agent
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Thanks for the feedback everyone.
I realize it'll probably do nothing, but I had to do something.
I realize it'll probably do nothing, but I had to do something.
This too.
Not to say you shouldn't send your letter SG-17, but I'm not seeing how it's better to tell Nick "This is how you failed to get money, and this is how you could get more if you do these things so we can keep watching this show."
Nick sucks, CN sucks, Disney sucks, they all suck.
Bryke should hop on the kickstarter bandwagon. I'm funding dudes who worked on The Boondocks who are coming up with their own comedy-fantasy show with people of color.
I'd rather do that than try to convince a monolithic company of anything.
Pai Pai Master
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Do Bryke own the IP or does Nick?
m_shortpants
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100% Nick. Such a shame.
JadedWriter
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I love that Lin breakdancing gif. Seriously how the fuck do you leave that woman?
Pai Pai Master
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Barf yeah, how do they even come back from this? Even if they eventually want to do more after a while, I wouldn't be surprised if Nick says "no more avatarverse" because of Korra's weaker ratings...which can mostly be attributed to their own poor handling of it.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I know, I know. This is why I'm doing it. I love the world they built so much, as much as I'd support Bryke in any new projects, I don't want Avatar to be gone. It's too good for that.
m_shortpants
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Nick.
Avatar is a lost cause.
Let's just have Bryke make their equivalent of Bioware's Dragon Age, since Bioware apparently couldn't just run with Dungeons and Dragons settings and lore anymore like they did with Baldur's Gate.
Everything will be better because of it.
BKatastrophe
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That Dude John
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Pema must really got the moves, then.
I didn't mean to come off like, it won't (or that it's pointless). It could. Honestly, it's a great thing you are speaking your mind and getting your feelings out there. It does mean something, in that regard. Also in my experience, you would be shocked at how little people actually write letters. You should consider typing this up, and mailing it to them (vs email). You can do both. But I do recommend sending an actual letter.
Corporations usually don't expect people taking the time to either hand write a letter, or physically send a typed letter in the mail. They are almost more likely to read that or take notice, since it shows you took some effort. I've seen people get free shit, get responses, or even make change happen through this.
Just because again, most people don't do this anymore.
Even if it doesn't change the network, it's still you making them read your opinions. And you never know, it could make them think about what they've done. That alone, would be worth it. So I say, kudos to you for taking the time to write all that out. I say it's beautiful.
JadedWriter
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It's like she had a brain aneurysm in season 2. Bryke really do shit on their strong female cast a lot too, damn fucking shame too because they know how to design...well Bryan does since he's the art director, but whomever signs off on how they write them drops the ball.
No. Tenzin just wanted to be in a relationship where he was capable of being the man in it.
I know people that have sent letters in person, who have gotten results better then Email. Recently too. Especially in the last 10 years. People just don't send letters anymore. So use that to your advantage.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I was planning on doing both. I just can't hand write it since my handwriting is worse than a doctor's.
It's a shame, too. I love writing letters.
Haha, I know that feeling. Sometimes I wonder how my friend can even read mine.
BKatastrophe
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I'll be honest, I really don't have much to do besides post gifs.
Just type it up on Word or some program, print it out. And sign your name at the bottom. It's probably better to do it that way (since not everyone can read each other's writing, and typed is always easy to read).
It's more so, physically sending it in that matters. Good luck!
I'll be honest, I really don't have much to do besides post gifs.
You post more received stuff than I do. I talk about sexuality but I may as well be Zoidberg with a tumblr lol.
Well, that and post a bunch of great fanart, doing god's work by filtering out the bad art.
Aren't you like 15? We aren't about to get surprised by Chris Hansen.
BKatastrophe
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Finally finished marathoning season 4! Wow, that ending though. I actually thought Kuvira was pretty good as a villain, not as good as Amon, but better than Unalaq and Zaheer. Is Nick for sure not producing ANY Avatar anymore? I really need my avatar fix
Whoooooooo....can I ask why? Legitimately? Like, I know people think I'm crazy because I liked Unalaq more than Kuvira (it's a camp with a population of one, as far as I'm concerned), but why Zaheer?
JadedWriter
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Bumi Jethro Tull fan confirmed.I'll be honest, I really don't have much to do besides post gifs.
What are you men doing taking this minor to Japan without his parents permission?
Finally finished marathoning season 4! Wow, that ending though. I actually thought Kuvira was pretty good as a villain, not as good as Amon, but better than Unalaq and Zaheer. Is Nick for sure not producing ANY Avatar anymore? I really need my avatar fix
Whoooooooo....can I ask why? Legitimately? Like, I know people think I'm crazy because I liked Unalaq more than Kuvira (it's a camp with a population of one, as far as I'm concerned), but why Zaheer?
I was so tempted to post this yesterday.
Also, good on you Fedelias, to recognize the greatest antagonist ("villain" is a loaded word) in the history of the series.
Whoooooooo....can I ask why? Legitimately? Like, I know people think I'm crazy because I liked Unalaq more than Kuvira (it's a camp with a population of one, as far as I'm concerned), but why Zaheer?
Unalaq had a better overall story (even if it was worse in terms of execution). But Kuvira had a better design and fighting technique. Unalaq was just a generic design and was a moustache twirling villain with a bland design.
I guess I can see why Kuviras stoic personality came off bland though to some
Tal Shiar Agent
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Well I'll put it in the mail tomorrow or Monday and I'll update if I ever hear anything back.
That Dude John
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Damn. Would pay for Young Tenzin/Lin flashbacks.
You know if there was one moment in book 1 I could've been around GAF for, It would probably be when Amon resists Tarrlok's bloodbending. Just for the reactions. Had me thinking he was some unholy, dark spirit or something.
BKatastrophe
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I'm not saying I dislike Kuvira, but I made a shitload of posts back on like, pages 52 and 53 (maybe 54 as well?) on why I like Unalaq more.
They were lengthy.
Whoooooooo....can I ask why? Legitimately? Like, I know people think I'm crazy because I liked Unalaq more than Kuvira (it's a camp with a population of one, as far as I'm concerned), but why Zaheer?
Unalaq had a better overall story (even if it was worse in terms of execution). But Kuvira had a better design and fighting technique. Unalaq was just a generic design and was a moustache twirling villain with a bland design.
I guess I can see why Kuviras stoic personality came off bland though to some. Zaheer is still the best overall villain. His only flaw was that his ideas needed to be fleshed out more. Like even if you think his chaos idea was dumb, he still had a lot of conviction and passion and truly believed it was the right thing.
If we had like seen how he came to believe these things it would have made him better. Amon had the best overall design and presence. But his story fell the fuck apart. Although I think Zaheer had better fights. Even if he wasn't a skilled fighter the way he moved and knew how to flee made fights intense.
Edit: double post. And I'll go back and read you lengthy posts on why you like Unalaq more.
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