The Year Without An Xbox: How will Xbox not putting forth an effort to sell Xbox Series consoles this year affect the gaming industry going forward?
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cwoody63
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Witchilich
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Pretty funny that you included random corporate chest thumping from Sony which was also done by Microsoft as an indication of Sony being arrogant. You forgot to account for the part that PS3 cost 840 $ to manufacture. How they hell were they going to match the price of the 360? But remember paying to play online was free on PS3, so its clear who was more arrogant.Fanboy spotted.
''During a recent interview with Japanese economic website Toyo Keizai, ever-charming Ken Kutaragi had this to say about Sony's goal for the PS3: "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."
Sony wants you to earn that PlayStation 3!
During a recent interview with Japanese economic website Toyo Keizai, ever-charming Ken Kutaragi had this to say about Sony's goal for the PS3: "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else." In...www.engadget.com
Xbox 360 slim
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You can't be a real human. No way. These quotes are from top PS execs.
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Witchilich
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More real than you.
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Highly doubtful
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Witchilich
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Says the guy who thinks pricing the PS3 at $600 is being arrogant. When the thing cost 840 $ to manufacture.
Unknown?
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Linux is a stretch but backwards compatibility would not have left if they started stronger. It only left due to needing to drop the price because they weren't doing as well as expected.
ReasonBeing
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I was waiting for the self quote. Wasn't disappointed.I swear I had a conversation about MS not wanting to sell Xbox Series consoles somewhere around that time
Post in thread 'In the event that PS5 Pro does release in 2024 but there is no new Xbox Series console because there is already Series S & X' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/in-t...-is-already-series-s-x.1654173/post-268253214
You could sell almost anything with the right amount of effort.
Right now Sony is selling a Remote Playing device & you think Xbox couldn't sell a cheap Xbox Series S right now?
PlayStaytion
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The generation starts for these people after ps6 release and buy everything there is from the store.
Bojanglez
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Maybe. I don't know one boy that is 11 (my son's age) that does not primarily play on a console, they love the console voice chat and share play, it is actually crazy to watch the way they use consoles compared to me, they basically live on them. When I was there age I'd go outside to play football, but they meet online and then decide which game they are all going on, sometimes 10 minutes later they are hopping on to another. These guys aren't trying to play these kind of games on touch screens. They all play on tablets too, but they wouldn't dream of only playing that way, Roblox is the one that they play interchangeably, but mostly on tablets and phones it is things like Bloons TD, Clash Royale those kind of games.
I noticed with my daughter and her friends they do play on phones/tablets more as their primary devices. Again all very anecdotal.
lastmessiah
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Man, it must be rough living over in the Ponyverse. Even when you guys are "winning" you just can' t stop thinking about Xbox. Anyway, stay fascinated 
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Tiniest of violins, I guess.
The original fat PS3 was an over-engineered piece of slab which included multiple unnecessary ports and storage devices that served no purpose to anyone using it for gaming, among other things.
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Tiniest of violins, I guess.
The original fat PS3 was an over-engineered piece of slab which included multiple unnecessary ports and storage devices that served no purpose to anyone using it for gaming, among other things.
Never understood why they put all that shit in there. Also, dafuq with all the duststorm in that pic?
Kacho
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That was my only takeaway
Zacfoldor
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Yes they are disappearing for a year for all intents and purposes.
They did not decide this for themselves. The market did.
Xbox series has low sales and keeping an expensive product alive with few sales for a year was just something M$ was not willing to do when every extra dollar is going to AI.
They will want to get Xbox PC out as fast as possible to reduce the damage being out of the market can create...but nothing about this is good for Microsoft.
They did not decide this for themselves. The market did.
Xbox series has low sales and keeping an expensive product alive with few sales for a year was just something M$ was not willing to do when every extra dollar is going to AI.
They will want to get Xbox PC out as fast as possible to reduce the damage being out of the market can create...but nothing about this is good for Microsoft.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not my picture
I have a Slim but that's probably just as dusty in the long-storage i've left it in for a decade or so.
Unknown?
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Wow, 3 unnecessary ports and those could be used for gaming in that could be used for transferring music files for custom soundtracks when that feature was added.Tiniest of violins, I guess.
The original fat PS3 was an over-engineered piece of slab which included multiple unnecessary ports and storage devices that served no purpose to anyone using it for gaming, among other things.
That's not what made it over engineered(cell) or expensive(PS2 GPU,CPU/BluRay Drive/expensive unconventional ram/essentially everything else built in [WiFi, Bluetooth, HDD, HDMI]).
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Good post and we've already seen the effect it has had on the industry. Namely MS releasing their games on Playstation so that their game sales don't collapse too, and games skipping launching on xbox.
Fess
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PC gaming has been talked about within both groups for a long time. I remember a decade ago when Sony fans reminded people that Xbox wasn't needed anymore when the games were being ported to PC. Fast forward 10 years and we now have Xbox fans reminding people that PlayStation isn't needed anymore since games are being ported to PC. We've gone full circle!man, the delusional takes from you are great. You were just in a thread about a PSN discount trial yesterday where your boyDenchDeckard brought out the old "buy a PC now" out of the blue with you backing him up and you think its the Sony fanatics "moving their ire"?
Be real, you know that's not the reason why PC gets brought up by a lot of ex-xbox folks now.
Felessan
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You know that Fortnite leading revenue platform is playstation? Some other games follow this (or PC in the lead) routine too.
There is a userbase and there is a paying userbase, and their split on platform is not even. It's not number of users that important for company (stockholders doesn't care much about this stuff, they want money and it's company job to think how to earn them), it's how much money each strata brings. Mobile users are plenty but spend little. High end PC users spend a lot, but there are few of them. And consoles are in-between where "number of users X money spent per user" reaches its peak.
Fortnite/Genshin etc might look crude on Consoles/PC compared to ultra-technical masterpieces, but they still look miles ahead of how the same games look on mobile phones, compelling people to play on a big screen with better image quality on vastly more powerful hardware.
I don't because a PlayStation is as simple as it gets setting wise for casuals. The steam machine and Xbox Magnus are still pcs at the end of the day where tinkering with settings is more detailed than a ps5. Performance and Price of these things are going to be the biggest selling points. Because if the steam machine is playing triple A titles at worse performance than PS5 then they lost the living room. I'm not even going to talk about Microsoft's machine because I know it's going to be dead on arrival with the pricing.
These are stationary devices and the world seems to be going more portable and on the go that's why I see why the steam deck is doing pretty decent. Console PCs aren't anything new I had one of those Alienware x51s back in the day it was great as an emulation machine but I was still playing my triple A games all on console.
A good chunk of those 30 million xbox users will probably move to Playstation.
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But can you play GT7, can you play Astrobot on it? Can you play any of the games PS released this year? It isn't the same as xbox was as much as some of those same people try to push it.
What's truly bizarre is that the exact same people you see today didn't push PC when Series X/S launched knowing every single xbox game was on PC day one since 2015. They were pushing xbox Series, pretending they love that stuff, now when all of that has collapsed look what they're out there doing. Only now. Why didn't they do that 10 years ago when xbox made xbox completely redundant?
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Felessan
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Good excuse in the first year of PS5 on the market. We are now at 5th and PS5 still selling like hot cakes even though "blablabla output blablabla quality" persists for quite some time
Nobody cares about performance delta between Pro and PS6, Pro is enthusiasts device. For mass market it'll be PS5 vs PS6 and I expect there will be a significant jump in IQ, given good support of RT and arrival of proper ML upscaling
No it will not
Those who believe in streaming future are simply daydreaming and know shit about it.
There is 3 main problems of streaming - latency, concurrency and operating cost and I yet to see any resemblance of solution for them. People just believe that "it will work out somehow".
And what are those moves?
People who rush now are AI companies because they can't wait, for them it's race to top and whoever fail will be left behind. When the active phase ends (and given AI market situation they can't rush for long, it's not particularly profitable business, so some will soon run out of money) so will chip woes
For everyone else - they are in no rush
And chip companies will up production, they have some room for it and soaring profits will make it lucrative
Kacho
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The Steam Machine isn't meant to "win" the living room, just like Quest and Portal aren't gaining ground in the console space. It's a niche product aimed a very particular group. It's not a replacement for anything.
DenchDeckard
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I did enjoy my day one over engineered ps3 60gb...sigh
Had to sell it once it got unbearably loud
Had to sell it once it got unbearably loud
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Custom music tracks were possible on OG Xbox with its 8GB HDD, all those extra ports were unnecessary, otherwise they wouldn't have removed them, even for emulation they found a workaround via software emulation.
The emotion engine and graphic syntherizer only cost them $27 per unit
The nearly $150 for 'other components' is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here.
Which I dont know who that group is because on the low end you have a playstation console that will be cheaper than this and everything else pc your desktops, Prebuilts, Portable PCs, and gaming laptops in the same that its competing in that space. I could see if it had its own exclusives but thats not the case here.
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Other components (as in every single other mostly necessary components) AND MANUFACTURING.Custom music tracks were possible on OG Xbox with its 8GB HDD, all those extra ports were unnecessary, otherwise they wouldn't have removed them, even for emulation they found a workaround via software emulation.
The emotion engine and graphic syntherizer only cost them $27 per unit
The nearly $150 for 'other components' is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here.
I mean no shit that is a large pool but the BC was still one of the most expensive single components that wasn't a necessity. They didn't remove it just for fun.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They have four different brackets for manufacturing costs, lol.
Emotion Engine is around only 3% of the total manufacturing costs. Since they don't break down in more granular detail we don't know how it stacks compared to four additional, unnecessary i/o ports/parts/'manufacturing'.
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Kacho
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I'm technically part of that group since I've been begging for the return of the Steam Machine after getting a Steam Deck. But it's probably a very small group (1-2 million tops IMO).
I think it's the right product in theory, and it's coming at the right time, but the specs are all wrong. Consoles, specifically the PS5, are still a much better value. The Steam Machine won't be eating into the console market at all.
deeptech
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That question is probably unimportant as imo XBOX barely if ever pushed gaming in any relevant way. Games will keep releasing and will suck and be good and surprise and disappoint as always. MS and Xbox will release them too, but even if they didnt, I don't see much would change. They do have few I expect to play so theres that, but so do others I guess.
Hell how is anyone trying to sell consoles today? I just dont see those big system sellers around lately.
Hell how is anyone trying to sell consoles today? I just dont see those big system sellers around lately.
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MisterXDTV
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I meant in sales
PS2 had already destroyed it for good. It stopped being competition for Sony very early and Nintendo pulled out of the race very soon to bank on Wii
Yes we do if you're talking about your image of the memory reader because that "other components" isn't the memory board. Notice the 20GB launch model did not have a memory card reader yet it has the exact same other components cost as the 60GB which did. What you are looking for is under "memory card board" and it's $5. The "other components" were components that the PS3 needed to function with PS3 and PS2 titles.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Fair enough but they also didn't remove backwards compatibility, they shifted to a software version. Not that $27 is a notable dent in an +800$ manufacturing cost in the first place. Cheaper BD Drives, which were developed in-house, and shifting to smaller nm processors likely effected it more.
Unknown?
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He worded it improperly, but he never said those devices were gaining ground in the console space. All he was saying is that it's doing better than one console.
That's my gripe with this and it's not future proof at all.
Fess
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Steam Machine might be just as easy as a console going by how Steam Deck is. I bet we'll see Steam Machine Verified presets for those who just want to click play and forget about settings. Performance is a mystery at this point but could you be good enough for casuals and mainstream. The big question mark there is not having access to some big MP games because of Linux.
The next Xbox have the upside of having hardware based Xbox bc plus Steam and Sony's games and other storefronts on the same device. I don't think the problem is going be the price, if it stumbles it'll be because of the UI and how Windows/Xbox full screen mode works using multiple PC launchers.
Kacho
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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I can bet my left nutsack, they are calling it a day like they did with the original Xbox and want to get into the next gen again one year ahead of Playstation which im pretty sure why there never was a "pro" xbox version afterwards. They probably realized this whole Activision/Blizzard acquisition will taqke longer than expected to put out games so they are just waiting to have it all out of the next xbox. Also Forza Horizon 6 is coming out, that thing will sell. It will come out on PS5 eventually but who knows when so they still have a solid AAA before this gen finishes, just as long as they dont fuck it up like they did their other highly expected AAAs.
Why wouldn't the price be a concern? People will be able to build the next Xbox and there will be prebuilts that will compete with it. Steam deck is a lot different because it's a portable handheld that you can take on the go and not a stationary device. I don't have a have a deck but does it have its own verified presets?
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Bondo
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Im sure they are hoping for some version of this with their upcoming plan. But its alittle different now. Pricing will be an issue - exclusives are an issue, game purchases with Gamepass is an issue.
Lastly- console ecosystem. Its alot harder to pull people away from their established home nowadays.
AREYOUOKAY?
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Just make it digital only so I can finally be free from collecting them if they are still going through with their latest next gen PC I mean "console". Every retail store has just about abandoned them making it impossible to buy games offline. Even Sega in their last days had more retail space and games available to buy.
Who knows maybe I'll get lucky and get a nice discount on it like I did for the Series X and use it as an emulation box if it really does have Windows installed on it before they increase the price of the thing.
Who knows maybe I'll get lucky and get a nice discount on it like I did for the Series X and use it as an emulation box if it really does have Windows installed on it before they increase the price of the thing.
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Kacho
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Ristifer
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Sounds like an onQ123 thread. Can't wait for the thread next week: "Xbox won't make it to 2026. What can the video game industry do to serve the final blow to bad boy Xbox?"
Steve Holt
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I wish you would get in touch with the mods my man, if you were concerned. Rather than you derail threads with tedious stuff like this.
When people do ask any questions about why you have so much credit for Xbox - it's constantly deflected IE I've got to be an alt rather than answer any sort of question about your loyalty.
Oh Gaslighter pro tag, it all makes sense. Best to pay no attention to you it seems.
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you hate Sony fanatics, I bet this guy is all good in your book yeh?