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[Zelias]

Whatever happens to the Labour party, the Tories have been decimated for at least a generation.

I can't see the young vote for them, and I can't see graduates nor progressive liberals vote for them either.

And now we get unelected PMs fighting their corner. And moving the party more right.

This seems like wishful thinking. Losing groups they don't generally target (compared to, say, the grey vote) isn't going to decimate them.

 

[Xun]

The BBC has been fucking ridiculous in regards to Corbyn from day 1 (if not before).

He certainly could be a better leader and I wish he did more for Remain, but he's the only politician I know of that comes across as genuine.

 

[Jackpot]

Well, for all the people claiming it's just career-obsessed MPs who want him gone and that Corbyn has the support of the people:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-confrontation-with-journalist-running-away

Polling has indicated more than half the members of Unite, Britain’s biggest trade union, want him to quit. Almost 50% of members said they wanted Corbyn to go immediately, while a further 10% believe he should resign before the next general election, according to a poll seen by the Guardian.

Among Labour voters, 61% said he was doing badly in the job, the YouGov Election Data survey found. Overall, 35% said Corbyn should stay at the helm in the face of overwhelming opposition from MPs, MEPs and politicians in Scotland.

 

[Massingberd]

Fucking amazing he's still there like a bad smell. The man is toxic, absolutely toxic. His policies may be (mostly) admirable, but anyone who thinks he has the slightly chance of leading the party to an election win is living in cloud cookoo land. You don't think in the heat of an election campaign the Tories and the Press won't be bring up all the old shit again. The IRA stuff alone should have meant he got nowhere near the leaders position but here we are.

 

[haxamin]

Well, for all the people claiming it's just career-obsessed MPs who want him gone and that Corbyn has the support of the people:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-confrontation-with-journalist-running-away

Uhh So many Blairites/

 

[pigeon]

The BBC has been fucking ridiculous in regards to Corbyn from day 1 (if not before).

He certainly could be a better leader and I wish he did more for Remain, but he's the only politician I know of that comes across as genuine.

We've heard this a bunch about Bernie Sanders this last year as well.

In my view genuineness is a pretty worthless quality in a politician. Most of the job is about compromise, pragmatism, and explaining to people who voted for castles in the sky why houses on the ground are nearly as good. Honesty and conviction are probably handicaps, really. That's why they're so uncommon among the political class!

 

[Goodlife]

The BBC has been fucking ridiculous in regards to Corbyn from day 1 (if not before).

He certainly could be a better leader and I wish he did more for Remain, but he's the only politician I know of that comes across as genuine.

 

[Good Job Bob]

So while the party members aren't exactly head over heels for Corbyn, they still prefer him over the alternatives the PLP is floating about. Is the party sorely lacking in talent, or is the PLP just really shit at choosing candidates?

 

[JonathanEx]

Jeremy Corbyn aides refuse Tom Watson one-on-one meeting
Labour leader’s camp believe deputy would use meeting to try to ‘bully’ Corbyn into resigning, claim insiders

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=share_btn_tw

Interesting full article on the state of things in Labour too - and in there there's also bits about the party's internal research on how they're doing, aaand some of the difficulties they're just having operating.

 

[Massingberd]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=share_btn_tw

Interesting full article on the state of things in Labour too - and in there there's also bits about the party's internal research on how they're doing, aaand some of the difficulties they're just having operating.

Absolutely incredible. Look at this for a quote: "“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care" Substitute Watson for Putin, or even Merkel if Brexit talks are getting pretty heated.

Not fit to lead the Labour Party, not fit to lead the country. That's if they even want to - they're either content with opposing and protesting, of they're in a complete state of delusion if they think they can win the election with this leadership.

 

[kmag]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=share_btn_tw

Interesting full article on the state of things in Labour too - and in there there's also bits about the party's internal research on how they're doing, aaand some of the difficulties they're just having operating.

We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”

This is the guy they're say could be the next prime minister

 

[RangerX]

I just saw on the news that 60,000 people have joined the labour party this week in an attempt to protect Jeremy Corbyn. When the leadership contest happens he'll win. I'd put my house on the Labour party splitting now.

 

[JonathanEx]

I just saw on the news that 60,000 people have joined the labour party this week in an attempt to protect Jeremy Corbyn. When the leadership contest happens he'll win. I'd put my house on the Labour party splitting now.

It's hard to know who the 60k are - and what way they swing in getting rid of slash keeping Corbyn. But still - yes. I guess this'll be partly why they haven't actually called a contest yes, and are just hoping they can push him in to standing down for the good of the party.

 

[Orbis]

When the leadership contest happens he'll win.

Yep.

I'd put my house on the Labour party splitting now.

Almost certainly. Problem is, this will very likely rule Labour out of Government for 10+ years. So they need to be very careful, and very clear, about how they do it. It will be hard to convince your average Labour voter to vote for Party X instead, while the 'real Labour' will be telling them not to vote for 'that silly breakaway party'.

 

[paradox121]

This is the guy they're say could be the next prime minister

I look forward to the next PMQs when an aide stands in for Corbyn because "he had a very busy day and was feeling quite tired and didn't want to hear all those nasty comments from the bad people"

 

[kirblar]

We've heard this a bunch about Bernie Sanders this last year as well.

In my view genuineness is a pretty worthless quality in a politician. Most of the job is about compromise, pragmatism, and explaining to people who voted for castles in the sky why houses on the ground are nearly as good. Honesty and conviction are probably handicaps, really. That's why they're so uncommon among the political class!

What people want is politicians who are good at projecting false sincerity.

 

[pigeon]

What people want is politicians who are good at projecting false sincerity.

True, but also, you can't fool all of the people all of the time. I think at least part of this is "I want a politician who prioritizes fooling people like me."

 

[RedShift]

It's hard to know who the 60k are - and what way they swing in getting rid of slash keeping Corbyn. But still - yes. I guess this'll be partly why they haven't actually called a contest yes, and are just hoping they can push him in to standing down for the good of the party.

I'm one of them, and I'll be voting for the most pro EU candidate running. I don't expect that to be Corbyn.

I expect he'll win again though, at which point I'm jumping ship for the Lib Dems.

 

[Kathian]

At this point it's not Labour splitting it's the party abandoning ship. The leadership and Labour Party will be a smaller party vs the PLP.

 

[haxamin]

At this point it's not Labour splitting it's the party abandoning ship. The leadership and Labour Party will be a smaller party vs the PLP.

Would that trigger a ton of by-elections?

 

[hohoXD123]

Absolutely incredible. Look at this for a quote: "“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care" Substitute Watson for Putin, or even Merkel if Brexit talks are getting pretty heated.

Not fit to lead the Labour Party, not fit to lead the country. That's if they even want to - they're either content with opposing and protesting, of they're in a complete state of delusion if they think they can win the election with this leadership.

The Guardian has been piling on Corbyn from day one, they reach DM levels of reporting when it comes to him, so don't believe everything that they report. I almost believed that Corbyn had been half-hearted when campaigning for Remain until I looked through his twitter account, read about how he had been campaigning all over the country which even lead Angela Eagle to say 2 weeks prior to her resignation that “Jeremy is up and down the country, pursuing an itinerary that would make a 25-year-old tired, he has not stopped. We are doing our best, but if we are not reported, it is very difficult" (Link).

 

[Par Score]

Would that trigger a ton of by-elections?

No, because the parts of the PLP looking to split are utterly without principle, and under our system once you're elected as an MP you're good as gold until the next GE.

 

[Piecake]

The Guardian has been piling on Corbyn from day one, they reach DM levels of reporting when it comes to him, so don't believe everything that they report. I almost believed that Corbyn had been half-hearted when campaigning for Remain until I looked through his twitter account, read about how he had been campaigning all over the country which even lead Angela Eagle to say 2 weeks prior to her resignation that “Jeremy is up and down the country, pursuing an itinerary that would make a 25-year-old tired, he has not stopped. We are doing our best, but if we are not reported, it is very difficult" (Link).

Are you seriously claiming that the Guardian made up a quote?

 

[Massingberd]

The Guardian has been piling on Corbyn from day one, they reach DM levels of reporting when it comes to him, so don't believe everything that they report. I almost believed that Corbyn had been half-hearted when campaigning for Remain until I looked through his twitter account, read about how he had been campaigning all over the country which even lead Angela Eagle to say 2 weeks prior to her resignation that “Jeremy is up and down the country, pursuing an itinerary that would make a 25-year-old tired, he has not stopped. We are doing our best, but if we are not reported, it is very difficult" (Link).

So the Guardian are against him? Good. So they should be. And the Mirror as well, funny that. So the two biggest left-leaning newspapers in the country want him to resign. Now why would that be, I wonder? Because they know, and so do all the other centre-left people in this country, that the only way the Labour party has any chance in the next election, which was 4 years away and now could only be months, is to have a leader who isn't so toxic.

As for the Remain thing, well if all the evidence pointing to his general ambivalence doesn't persuade you, nothing will. Did he go balls out trying to make the case to Remain? Did he fuck, and everyone knows it.

 

[hohoXD123]

Are you seriously claiming that the Guardian made up a quote?

No, but if I was the anonymous 'senior Labour source' and I wanted to be rid of Corbyn without much repercussion to myself, I wouldn't be averse to making up a story portraying the person I want to get rid of as being a weak old man who needs to be kept away from people for fear of being bullied into resigning.

So the Guardian are against him? Good. So they should be. And the Mirror as well, funny that. So the two biggest left-leaning newspapers in the country want him to resign. Now why would that be, I wonder? Because they know, and so do all the other centre-left people in this country, that the only way the Labour party has any chance in the next election, which was 4 years away and now could only be months, is to have a leader who isn't so toxic.

As for the Remain thing, well if all the evidence pointing to his general ambivalence doesn't persuade you, nothing will. Did he go balls out trying to make the case to Remain? Did he fuck, and everyone knows it.

Seems you've swallowed the media's pill right down. The so called evidence pointing to his general ambivalence towards remaining in the EU didn't seem to convince Angela Eagle two weeks ago, so what has changed exactly.

To be frank, Labour have no chance in the next general election regardless of who the leader is. If you think there won't be a bloodbath if Angela Eagle/Tom Watson become leader then you should think again.

 

[Jackpot]

Seems you've swallowed the media's pill right down.

Wake up sheeple! MSM like the BBC and Guardian are just opiates administered by the bourgeoisie. /s

 

[exmachina64]

Well, for all the people claiming it's just career-obsessed MPs who want him gone and that Corbyn has the support of the people:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-confrontation-with-journalist-running-away

Bah, statistics aren't real!

 

[Piecake]

No, but if I was the anonymous 'senior Labour source' and I wanted to be rid of Corbyn without much repercussion to myself, I wouldn't be averse to making up a story portraying the person I want to get rid of as being a weak old man who needs to be kept away from people for fear of being bullied into resigning.

But the story states that it is a Corbyn ally. Or are his allies now stabbing him in the back like everyone else has been doing?

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

The Guardian has been piling on Corbyn from day one, they reach DM levels of reporting when it comes to him, so don't believe everything that they report. I almost believed that Corbyn had been half-hearted when campaigning for Remain until I looked through his twitter account, read about how he had been campaigning all over the country which even lead Angela Eagle to say 2 weeks prior to her resignation that “Jeremy is up and down the country, pursuing an itinerary that would make a 25-year-old tired, he has not stopped. We are doing our best, but if we are not reported, it is very difficult" (Link).

Jeremy Corbyn does not run his own twitter account. It's ran by a man named Ben Sellers. Or rather it was the last time I heard about it...

 

[D4Danger]

Are you seriously claiming that the Guardian made up a quote?

boy you picked the wrong week for this

read the correction at the bottom

 

[JonathanEx]

Seems you've swallowed the media's pill right down. The so called evidence pointing to his general ambivalence towards remaining in the EU didn't seem to convince Angela Eagle two weeks ago, so what has changed exactly.

You assume Eagle was being honest two weeks ago and is lying now - but why do you think it may not be the other way round? For example that when she said the first statement, she was doing what keeps being said that MPs should do - back him, and back him publicly. When really she had doubts, which are now being expressed honestly as the climate's changed and the referendum is done.

boy you picked the wrong week for this

read the correction at the bottom

To be fair the version of the quote they originally reported was quite widely reported originally too - it's what I saw all over Twitter.

Still, good point well made.

 

[hohoXD123]

But the story states that it is a Corbyn ally. Or are his allies now stabbing him in the back like everyone else has been doing?

Probably. Seamus does look like the traitorous type.

Jeremy Corbyn does not run his own twitter account. It's ran by a man named Ben Sellers. Or rather it was the last time I heard about it...

As in, his twitter highlights the appearances he made during the Remain campaign

 

[Piecake]

boy you picked the wrong week for this

read the correction at the bottom

Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”

“Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Islamic friends are responsible for Islamic State.”

While it is clearly not the exact quote, unless I am blind and am not seeing something obvious, there is no difference in the meaning of the two quotes.

Seems like a slight error/mistake rather than The Guardian making shit up to make Corbyn look bad.

 

[JonathanEx]

Probably. Seamus does look like the traitorous type.

Though interestingly, according to a lot of reports it seems to be Seamus who's telling him to stay and keep at it - even if Corbyn himself isn't as sure about it.

Obviously that comes with many pinches of salt, but it's been a pretty consistent theme over the last week.

 

[D4Danger]

While it is clearly not the exact quote, unless I am blind and am not seeing something obvious, there is no difference in the meaning of the two quotes.

Seems like a slight error/mistake rather than The Guardian making shit up to make Corbyn look bad.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/748490044588064770

Jeremy Corbyn appears to compare Israeli government to Islamic State

it helps if you butcher the quote

I'm not his biggest fan but the video was in the story and they clearly had an angle they wanted.

 

[And_Gignac]

Fuck The Guardian tbh. They are as butthurt about Jeremy as El Pais is about Podemos. Embarrassing.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

John McDonnell's perspective

The PLP are fucking shameful, they've been briefing against Corbyn since day 1

EDIT: Fucking hell

"We underestimated Jeremy, he wont resign, and now we don't know what to do".
Rebel Labour MP to @Labour_Insider

 

[CyclopsRock]

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/748490044588064770



it helps if you butcher the quote

I'm not his biggest fan but the video was in the story and they clearly had an angle they wanted.

Corbyn's team subsequently confirmed to politicshome that by "organisations" they meant IS, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. So fundamentally the meaning between the two is the same.

 

[Ushojax]

It's beyond a joke now, is Corbyn in control or do his apparatchiks make the decisions? It sounds like McDonnell and Milne have completely insulated Corbyn from any contact with rebel MPs, it is utterly bizarre that the deputy leader cannot get a face to face meeting with him. The party cannot function anymore.

 

[Fernando Fernandez]

I know it's The Canary and they are firmly on the left and Pro-Corbyn, so there's an agenda here but this makes interesting reading.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/01/...lan-oust-corbyn-play-10-months-ago-exclusive/

 

[zpiders]

The media and blarites have been against Corbin once day 1, utter disgrace.

 

[Goodlife]

I know it's The Canary and they are firmly on the left and Pro-Corbyn, so there's an agenda here but this makes interesting reading.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/01/...lan-oust-corbyn-play-10-months-ago-exclusive/

None of that is a surprise, is it?

 

[Maledict]

I know it's The Canary and they are firmly on the left and Pro-Corbyn, so there's an agenda here but this makes interesting reading.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/01/...lan-oust-corbyn-play-10-months-ago-exclusive/

Not really. A small group of MPS plotting to remove their leader - how shocking.

It's only literally been the case for every party for literally the last 40 years. After all, Jeremy Corbyn backed leadership challenges against part leaders in the past as well.

I know it sounds arrogant, but it still seems to me like a lot of people's outrage or understanding of this is because they haven't been following politics much. Particularly when people don't seem to understand that when you lose a vote of no confidence as a leader you simply have to go - the party is bigger than the man. It's unthinkable that anyone would stay on after that happened, hence everyones confusion right now - Jeremy is literally destroying the Labour Party for his own ego, and his follows don't give a shit because they aren't Labour Party supporters they are Jeremy Cobryn supporters.

The reason votes of no confidence aren't binding is because when they wrote the rules no-one ever thought someone would be so insane as to ignore a vote.

 

[Maledict]

The media and blarites have been against Corbin once day 1, utter disgrace.

There are less than 20 MPS you could honestly call Blairites in parliament. 174 MPS are by no means Blairites. Some of the people who have stepped down are from the left of the party. Corbyn supporters need to realize there isn't some massive Blairite conspiracy - he's just a bad leader who has failed at the job and undermined the single biggest political vote of our generation.

I think for Corbyn supporters there are more Blairites now than there actually were when Blair was in power... ;-)

 

[Goodlife]

Not really. A small group of MPS plotting to remove their leader - how shocking.

It's only literally been the case for every party for literally the last 40 years. After all, Jeremy Corbyn backed leadership challenges against part leaders in the past as well.

I know it sounds arrogant, but it still seems to me like a lot of people's outrage or understanding of this is because they haven't been following politics much. Particularly when people don't seem to understand that when you lose a vote of no confidence as a leader you simply have to go - the party is bigger than the man. It's unthinkable that anyone would stay on after that happened, hence everyones confusion right now - Jeremy is literally destroying the Labour Party for his own ego, and his follows don't give a shit because they aren't Labour Party supporters they are Jeremy Cobryn supporters.

The reason votes of no confidence aren't binding is because when they wrote the rules no-one ever thought someone would be so insane as to ignore a vote.

If the Labour party was simply the PLP I'd agree with you.

But it's not, it's only one part.

The other part, overwhelmingly, wants Corbyn to continue

 

[Goodlife]

There are less than 20 MPS you could honestly call Blairites in parliament. 174 MPS are by no means Blairites. Some of the people who have stepped down are from the left of the party. Corbyn supporters need to realize there isn't some massive Blairite conspiracy - he's just a bad leader who has failed at the job and undermined the single biggest political vote of our generation.

I think for Corbyn supporters there are more Blairites now than there actually were when Blair was in power... ;-)

What % of labour voters should he have got to vote for remain then?

 

[Maledict]

If the Labour party was simply the PLP I'd agree with you.

But it's not, it's only one part.

The other part, overwhelmingly, wants Corbyn to continue

Which means he can't.

You cannot be leader of the party and lose a vote of no confidence. There are literally not enough MPS for him to form a shadow cabinet, his duty as leader of the opposition.

The Tory party base wanted to keep IDS in 2003 but the MPs removed him, and they were right to do so then. The party leaders main job is to lead the party in parliament, and Jeremy Corbyn has demonstrably not been able to do that. He literally cannot do the job.

 

[Condom]

Wake up sheeple! MSM like the BBC and Guardian are just opiates administered by the bourgeoisie. /s

Propaganda doesn't exist in 2016 we only have free media now and free media is unbiased and the truth /s

 

[Phantast2k]

Another nail in his career's coffin:

Jeremy Corbyn appeared on Iran's Press TV after Ofcom banned it for filming torture victim - Business Insider

Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn accepted up to £20,000 (about $27,000) for appearances on the Iranian state broadcast network Press TV — a channel that was banned in the UK for its part in filming the detention and torture of an Iranian journalist.
Corbyn was paid for appearances on Press TV five times between 2009 and 2012, according to his register of interests, available at this online House of Commons database.

Corbyn's final Press TV appearance was six months after the network had its broadcasting license revoked by Ofcom for airing a forced confession by Newsweek journalist Maziar Bahari. Ofcom is the government's TV regulatory body which sets rules for UK broadcasters. Bahari told Business Insider that while he was detained by Iranian authorities he was tortured and threatened with execution before he agreed to read out a pre-agreed script on Iranian television, filmed by Press TV.

A spokesperson for Corbyn told Business Insider, "We don't comment on historical matters."

...

 

[Moosichu]

Another nail in his career's coffin:

Jeremy Corbyn appeared on Iran's Press TV after Ofcom banned it for filming torture victim - Business Insider

Please just go. It's reaching the point where Corbyn is damaging the movement he created.