Wikipedia says Django and Magnificent Seven (2016). I could have sworn that everything from Deadwood is long gone.
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Wikipedia says Django and Magnificent Seven (2016). I could have sworn that everything from Deadwood is long gone.
More_Badass
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The picture
Now it's pretty clear it's himself/Arnold standing in that blank space, just like he couldnt see the host blueprint of himself in this episode
Yeha I think you're right. They would have to spend a ton. The sets from Deadwood and Rome are definitely long gone.
I'm really curious where the show goes season 2.
The picture of the futuristic world they showed that host intrigued me. I dunno if that was the outdoor world and how the cities look like or if it was futureworld.
The reveal of Bernard was perfect because there are two kinds of viewers:
A) Those who suspected Bernard was a host
B) Those who didn't
When Bernard entered the house and Theresa pointed out the door and he said "what door", that was a nod to Group A. Because he then walked through the door and continued talking about the basement, so it's still not conclusive - maybe he was saying that just to get her to go through it because neither of them should be there.
But then when the papers showing Bernard are revealed, that is the conclusive reveal for both A and B, with the gut punch line "It doesn't look like anything to me."
So they rewarded perceptive viewers with a tease that then is confirmed for everyone roughly one minute later.
I'm excited to see how the other reveals are done.
A) Those who suspected Bernard was a host
B) Those who didn't
When Bernard entered the house and Theresa pointed out the door and he said "what door", that was a nod to Group A. Because he then walked through the door and continued talking about the basement, so it's still not conclusive - maybe he was saying that just to get her to go through it because neither of them should be there.
But then when the papers showing Bernard are revealed, that is the conclusive reveal for both A and B, with the gut punch line "It doesn't look like anything to me."
So they rewarded perceptive viewers with a tease that then is confirmed for everyone roughly one minute later.
I'm excited to see how the other reveals are done.
Ford seemed genuinely surprised when he saw the maze symbol on the poker table in the Mexican village. I think it's safe to assume the maze is Arnold's invention, not Ford's
More_Badass
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It was haunting, tense, and heartbreaking when it could have been corny and cheap. Maybe it is cheap but it's been telegraphed for episodes now especially when you go back and rewatch scenes especially between him and Ford.
I have hope that Bernard = Arnold/William = MIB/flashbacks will be treated with such craft as well
The basement, is the same as the one where he talks to Dolores too. He's been there before and we've been told that Arnold built the house and those hosts in it, Bernard is hundred percent Arnold as it appears.
The thing is, why Ford risked making him when everyone knows Arnold is dead. Maybe someone has seen Arnold or maybe Arnold wasn't exactly a person. No one has seen him, even a picture of him you overhear in one of the earlier episodes then they show that picture at the same time. Something is up. You can bet someone else has seen the picture in Ford's office too but they just assumed it was Bernard? Bernard they say has been here forever too but what about his age and appearance? He doesn't age I take it.
I'm going to guess Arnold was always a program, not a guy, that's how Ford claims I built everything here, including Arnold.
The thing is, why Ford risked making him when everyone knows Arnold is dead. Maybe someone has seen Arnold or maybe Arnold wasn't exactly a person. No one has seen him, even a picture of him you overhear in one of the earlier episodes then they show that picture at the same time. Something is up. You can bet someone else has seen the picture in Ford's office too but they just assumed it was Bernard? Bernard they say has been here forever too but what about his age and appearance? He doesn't age I take it.
I'm going to guess Arnold was always a program, not a guy, that's how Ford claims I built everything here, including Arnold.
Cornballer
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- THR: Sidse Babett Knudsen (Theresa) interview
Minor spoiler:
Minor spoiler:
Note that she's very clear about not knowing what happens past Ep 7 and not being able to work on the series past that point, so this probably puts the Theresa being replaced by a host theory to bed unless she's lying through her teeth.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's a show that costs as much to film as Game of Thrones but doesn't justify it with Game of Thrones ratings. It will probably get a renewal, but unless the last three episodes are so crazy good that the buzz gets way higher, there's always a chance it might not.
SwiftDeath
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That would certainly work thematically and even tie into the movie.
Would also explain how it appears that no one, not even Ford truly understands how the hosts work.
all my bets are on that security guy
badcrumble
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HBO likes to give basically everything two seasons. BUT: they got burned HARD by renewing Vinyl and then having to cancel it (because it sucked). So as of fairly recently, they're much much more cautious about renewing shows.
BattleMonkey
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The picture
Now it's pretty clear it's himself/Arnold standing in that blank space, just like he couldnt see the host blueprint of himself in this episode
That's very true, and the guy in middle we thought was Arnold is just one of the hosts they built early on.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I just think the "what door?" moment was super cleverly done because of how it catered to people who were following along really well, but it also didn't matter if you were a more casual viewer who missed the potential significance of the line because they actually resolved it ~2 minutes later.
If this were an episode of Lost, he's have said it, then gone through the door when Theresa forced him to, and then it would have flashed to black and said LOST when they saw the lab. And then the resolution with Ford wouldn't have happened until there were 30 minutes of flashbacks in the next episode.
If this were an episode of Lost, he's have said it, then gone through the door when Theresa forced him to, and then it would have flashed to black and said LOST when they saw the lab. And then the resolution with Ford wouldn't have happened until there were 30 minutes of flashbacks in the next episode.
Wrong way of looking at it. A network like HBO isn't looking at the money they're spending and expecting a specific equal result compared to something else. What they're looking for is a successful show for a given demographic range. It only becomes competitive if there is a ton of other stuff HBO could spend their money on to go after that same demographic instead. They don't. The network is low on on production value nerd shows. They have Game of Thrones and that's it. It's ending in 2 years no matter what. They want something else that can keep at least a portion of that audience happy.
If Westworld is tanking hard (< 1 million viewers) then it is certainly at risk. But it's doing way better than Vinyl, actually has solid critical reception, and is generating a lot of water cooler buzz online. That sort of thing is very valuation to HBO as it competes with other pay networks with premium series like Netflix and Amazon.
The chance of it not getting renewed are very, very slim, simply because HBO is really lacking in options for dramas to begin with.
Well yes, actually that's exactly what would happen if this were an episode of Lost, because the episode would be 45 minutes long instead of an hour. Lol!
Glowing Bovine
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I actually didn't suspect it at all until he said "What door?" At which point I was just going over it in my head until it was revealed. I thought they did a good job with it.
So......if hosts are programmed to not see things that will hurt them, as we now know, who tinkered with Papa Abernathy's code to let him see the picture he dug up, and for what purpose?
Combine that with Bernard (Arnold?) whispering something to him before he went into cold storage, and one has to wonder....
Combine that with Bernard (Arnold?) whispering something to him before he went into cold storage, and one has to wonder....
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Casey Bloys: "Okay, we have to make the decision on what we're going to renew. What do the Westworld ratings look like?"
Board Member: "Here's the ratings for the show over the season."
Bloys: "...it doesn't look like anything."
CANCELLED
LOST
Actually, it wouldn't even be the next episode. The next episode would just be a day-in-the-life episode for Luke Hemsworth and some meaningless part of his backstory before they ever got back to the resolution of the cliffhanger.Well yes, actually that's exactly what would happen if this were an episode of Lost, because the episode would be 45 minutes long instead of an hour. Lol!
MiamiWesker
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So the picture is bothering me a bit. I rewatched the scene, I think we all assume Arnold is in the blank space on the left and Bernard couldn't see him. But that picture was just casually sitting on Ford's desk. Wouldn't a secret that gigantic require a little extra caution than just leaving proof around that Bernard is a robot on your desk. Also that picture shows his robot dad which is supposed to be a secret as well. Just there out in the open for anyone to see.
MiamiWesker
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At the end of episode 1 or somewhere in episode 2 Bernard tells Ford they retired the two malfunctioning hosts. One is Mr. Abernathy, who the hell is the other? Milk guy is seen again later on? Head of the bounty group is seen later. Dolores?
More_Badass
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Seriously, they've been laying the groundwork for this since episode 1
Strange, HBO Nordic app on the PS4 has 5.1 option (but other than that, it's a shit app, with a shit interface, and shit subtitles that can't be color changed, or have shadows added to them, so white background scenes = no subtitles).
Definitely looks like it.
Thought Ford repeating "demands a blood sacrifice" sort of confirmed it. Though, I'm not sure if that would suggest For has hosts out in the wild. Then again, could be he caught that bit of dialog from Hector, but yeah, the scene dis suggest it at least.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Rewatched it and the ending made me so sad for Bernard. Talking about his son, the dreams.
I suspect that going forward the revelation is a lot more interesting for Bernard's character arc since I hardly expect him to be Ford's puppet for terribly long.
In fact, I don't suspect Ford makes it through the season.
badcrumble
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Nah, I think the implication is that he was able to listen in via Hector.
SwiftDeath
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I think it was last episode? Maybe the one before that, where Ford is talking to child Ford Host after they find the dead dog. Ford Host admits in analysis that he killed the dog because a voice told him to which seemed to surprise Ford so unless Ford has multiple personalities it seems there is another character controlling things from the shadows who knows about Fords Host family which is a big secret. The only one who comes to mind is Arnold but not Bernard-Arnold, a separate character or consciousness controlling things from the shadows, messing with Ford from the shadows.
Arnold is likely the one who influenced Abernathy
Well no one knows the existence of the robot dad so it doesn't really matter who he is in the photograph (unless they found the robot dad, at which point Ford's in trouble regardless).
But yeah, Bernard being in the picture with young Robert Ford would be suspicious AF.
SuperStiltzkin
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He is in a prison of his own sins, as papa Abernathy said. I think it would only be fitting that Ford's home made kingdom rebels and bites him in the ass.
he's #2 on my "will probably die" list, right after Ed Harris
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem with Bernard being a host-clone of Arnold is that it would make Ford the biggest idiot of all time. What would Ford possibly have to gain by making Bernard look just like Arnold?
I don't suspect that Ford's motivations are being a generic bad guy who does evil shit for the lolz.
I don't suspect that Ford's motivations are being a generic bad guy who does evil shit for the lolz.
MiamiWesker
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So Arnold is most likely Bernard, after rewatching his scenes with Dolores you can see his demeanor is different when he is in the basement room with Dolores and the line of question definetly lines up with what Arnold believed in.
But for that to work literally everyone that knew who Arnold was had to have died. Meaning every single person who worked at the park was killed. How does a park survive after that?
Clearly no one has any info on Arnold. Everyone references him as some mystery with no name or concrete info just that "he died". So what kind of events could happen for the co owner and programmer of one of the most advanced theme park ever built to basically be erased.
But for that to work literally everyone that knew who Arnold was had to have died. Meaning every single person who worked at the park was killed. How does a park survive after that?
Clearly no one has any info on Arnold. Everyone references him as some mystery with no name or concrete info just that "he died". So what kind of events could happen for the co owner and programmer of one of the most advanced theme park ever built to basically be erased.
'I hope you will be careful with Bernard. He has a.... sensitive disposition'
That was one theory that I didn't believe, but well, what do I know. With all that William was saying this episode being almost paraphrasing MiB's "I was born here" I'm fully on-board that theory.
Great episode and Anthony Hopkins is just stunning. Unreal.
That was one theory that I didn't believe, but well, what do I know. With all that William was saying this episode being almost paraphrasing MiB's "I was born here" I'm fully on-board that theory.
Great episode and Anthony Hopkins is just stunning. Unreal.
cpp_is_king
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I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere on the last 5-6 pages, but am I the only one that caught that
also appears to be a host?
I could be wrong, but they did drop a pretty big clue
Charlotte
The lady from the board that was having sex with the other host when Theresa walked in.
I could be wrong, but they did drop a pretty big clue
RE: the picture and keeping Arnold as Bernard a secret in the wide open.....we're all assuming that Bernard, in addition to "being" Arnold, looks like him too, but that doesn't have to be the case. Ford is a smart man. If he's playing god and re-creating his dead partner as a host secretly, and trying not to raise a ton of red flags, it would make sense for him to make Bernard look nothing like Arnold.
Starting to get a feeling Arnold is the Singularity. He's in the systems.
The maze is a turing test for the hosts, but he's also at the center.
SwiftDeath
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While I'm only like 40% on the Arnold is an AI created by Ford train, that theory does lend credence to the mysterious origin of Arnold and why no one has anything on him.
In the opposite direction however, the details regarding Bernard's wife and son seem more than trivial. Another gaffer pointed out that the scene with his son seemed to show hospital equipment from maybe the present but not from current time period. Seems a small detail but if you're Ford and creating a backstory for Bernard why give him a memory with his son that doesn't make temporal sense? I think that's Arnold's memory and that Arnold was in fact a flesh and blood man at one time. Theory doesn't answer Arnold's mysterious origins though
Yeah, the more I think about it, the lesser it makes sense for the rep being a host.
About the 3D printing host in the end, Bernard mentioned it takes a few days for it to make a host, it seemed like it had worked for a while at least, could that be an Elsie print that Ford already started, or does he have so much forethought that he started printing a Theresa host so far in advance?
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wesleyshark
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And Westworld has been renewed for season 2. 👏👏
Edit: beaten by a host no doubt 👀
Edit: beaten by a host no doubt 👀
Do you mind cluing us in?
Yeah baby. Also Critics Choice nominees were announced, Westworld got a bunch of noms including Thandie Newton for supporting actress, Evan Rachel Wood for best actress, and best drama series.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The Delos Rep being a host makes no sense unless Ford had an overly complicated plan to kill Theresa for almost no discernible reason. Theresa personally had no particular interest in doing anything but running the park and Theresa's act of siphoning park data was done almost entirely at the Delos Rep's behest.
More_Badass
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Excellent news
Now someone has to dissect that clip for clues just like the Stranger Thing renewal had clues about season 2
cpp_is_king
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Sure. When Ford told Theresa "We need a blood sacrifice" in the basement. That was the exact same thing Charlotte told Theresa. The only way this isn't an ungoldy coincidence is if Ford programmed her to say that. You could see the look in Theresa's eyes as he said those words, as if she realized "holy shit he's already got the board under his control" because she was recalling how Charlotte said those exact same words to her. And then the meaning of Charlotte's "no, that would be too obvious, we need something more surprising" became clear. She was the intended victim all along.