YesNOnoNOYes
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just steal one
no one reported a missing one :>
(they are cool and i want one too)
no one reported a missing one :>
(they are cool and i want one too)
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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Cornballer
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Vulcano's assistant
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The door line was really good if you were watching it in a room with other people even if you had caught up to the twist from the previous scenes.
afternoon delight
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That's what I'm talking about! This is going to sound funny but television has been missing deliciously grim dramas to take the series Hannibal's throne. This show is going places.
Edit: Yes, the "what door?" question had us screaming hahahaha
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I knew he was a host. Great episode, it's going to be a long wait for season 2.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Bernard being a host means they are conscious, or at least capable of it, no matter what the hell Ford says. Bernard passed the Turning test for years in a highly social environment, he did not get by on "scripting with improvisations"
It was established they passed the Turring test before the park opened, it doesn't mean they're self conscious.
MulderYuffie
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So stoked for that renewal! 
Captain Zyrain
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What a great episode.
I HOLYSHITTED at "What Door?"
Glad it got renewed as well.
Can't wait to see where they go in the last couple episodes.
I've been watching this on Sundays and need to catch up on TWD!
I HOLYSHITTED at "What Door?"
Glad it got renewed as well.
Can't wait to see where they go in the last couple episodes.
I've been watching this on Sundays and need to catch up on TWD!
Bernard himself warned Theresa about it.
And Ford's face was imo quite revealing during the scene, a lot of contained anger I thought.
Last, I think he having Bernard bash Theresa face in instead of a quick death with a neck snap or something similar was pretty telling a well.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
A proper Turing test "proves" consciousness on the principle that anything indistinguishable for arbitrary periods of time and arbitrary topics of conversation must be conscious in some way: after all, we assume other humans are conscious by the same standard. (I think the Chinese Room is bullshit but I'm on mobile so I won't get into it) All of the hosts immediately fail because of their obvious lack of even basic curiosity around anything they don't already know about. Bernard appears to have been operational for decades, every conceivable social interaction must have come up at one point or another
YesNOnoNOYes
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yeah, i agreeeee
otherwise how would ever going to prove that humans are conscious?
some humans operate on various 'consciousness' level, as well...
I'm not worried Nolan kept POI interesting for 5 seasons. And that show premise was much simpler than Westworld.
I'm sure people have already theorised, but I wonder if this photo is of Julia, and was left in the dirt by William all those years ago.
ITS OFF CENTER OMG
WHAT COULD IT MEAN
Most software is comically insecure.
newdayrocks
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I'm sure people have already theorised, but I wonder if this photo is of Julia, and was left in the dirt by William all those years ago.
Is that the new
Or the new
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
not surprised
but still. not most IT grunt in a lot of companies seems to have the same level of system admin access these two have. idk. the whole arc pivot on how incompetent the security/IT permission system of delos is. and i am not quite able to suspend my logic to enjoy this particular arc.
of course others are welcomed to disagree, but i find the butchers' arc the weakest and hinged a lot of making parts of delos' security system as dumb as possible.
not saying it's not possible. just... not an enjoyable arc for me.
Haha sorry, I do realize that could've come off a bit passive aggressive, didn't mean for it to sound that way. I was just having some fun.
Veritigo_X
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I'm sure people have already theorised, but I wonder if this photo is of Julia, and was left in the dirt by William all those years ago.
I've thought this, but I don't know how William would have that photo on him when the park bans guests from bringing outside items. It's probably pretty easy to regulate this based on how guests are brought into the park. Whoever brought that in clearly meant to smuggle it in.
Most people don't even put passwords on their work computers
Black don't crack.
That one dude collapsed his face and his entire frontal lobe with a dang rock and they still ran diagnostics and shit on him. I think it's unclear what exactly they did to Clem. The show's reticence to actually define how the robobrains work is still frustrating.
YesNOnoNOYes
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:< so bad
my companies seem to be okay so far though
the IT grunts at my place wouldn't elevate people's browsing access willy nilly, damn them. i need my mafia fix and i can't internet more than an hour a day. i should go maeve mode on them, but they seem pretty unmoving :<
maybe if i threaten to kill them or something
mmmmmmmm
I'm sure people have already theorised, but I wonder if this photo is of Julia, and was left in the dirt by William all those years ago.
Maybe the guests are not "coded" but their subconscious is somehow taken from real people?
What if Arnold designed his own replica in order to fake his original death? Then ford used his plans to make another one.
Great episode, no idea where they will take it from here.
Charles Brandon
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Wasn't a huge surprise that Bernard was a host, there were tells all the way through (or at least I think there were, I suspected him very early on even if I do say so myself) but that door moment was still amazing. Another great episode.
I am kinda fearful about the show moving forward. The next series will have to be very different. Ford has been planting his sleeper agents in the real world so I guess it will be about that. And I suppose that means, as this is set in the future, we're going from Fistful of Dollars to Blade Runner...
I am kinda fearful about the show moving forward. The next series will have to be very different. Ford has been planting his sleeper agents in the real world so I guess it will be about that. And I suppose that means, as this is set in the future, we're going from Fistful of Dollars to Blade Runner...
The Turing Test is a nonsense thing anyway. Severely autistic humans can fail the Turing Test and in some contexts a trash-tier chatbot like ELIZA can pass. There's no clear way to define what the parameters of a "proper" Turing Test should be. Casual interviewer? Adversarial? Can / should the interviewer be aware they're performing a Turing Test?
Turing Test isn't a functional thing, it's just a cute little framing device that mostly goes to illustrate that consciousness is a fuzzy concept which, as all things, comprises a spectrum.
My question about the hosts isn't if they're conscious (of course they are) but what the unit of "they" is. I still don't quite understand whether hosts are unique individuals or just different expressions of the broader Host AI. The ethical question is whether it's ok to "kill" any given host, or if it's only becomes "murder" if you destroy every host or decommission the whole AI software stack.
Turing Test isn't a functional thing, it's just a cute little framing device that mostly goes to illustrate that consciousness is a fuzzy concept which, as all things, comprises a spectrum.
My question about the hosts isn't if they're conscious (of course they are) but what the unit of "they" is. I still don't quite understand whether hosts are unique individuals or just different expressions of the broader Host AI. The ethical question is whether it's ok to "kill" any given host, or if it's only becomes "murder" if you destroy every host or decommission the whole AI software stack.
Elsie. Robernard was asking about her, and searched the park locator system for her. But yeah no indictation what actually happened to her.
SuperStiltzkin
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I'm sure people have already theorised, but I wonder if this photo is of Julia, and was left in the dirt by William all those years ago.
Rosario Dawson cameo. In New York. Westworld confirmed for having shared universe with Netflix Marvel Universe.
All good
Forgot about that restriction.
So Ford bastardised Arnold's work for evil, I like it.
YesNOnoNOYes
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More_Badass
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Has Hopkins ever played the Devil in anything? That's totally the face of manipulative bastard who's smarter than everyone else in the roomOnce I saw this face, I knew it was all over for her.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Agreed I need a Medieval version of Westworld now.
Once I saw this face, I knew it was all over for her.
Just got to quickly say, Sir Anthony Fucking Hopkins.
It would be so easy for him to go Hannibal Lector, chewing the scenery and slinging elegant vulgarity with spittle. And people would probably still clap.
Instead, he takes this unassuming, quiet, almost 'small' poise that just makes him spine chilling when he asserts himself. Like a watch-maker dealing with a troublesome gear, except it involves killing a fucker.
Maximo said:
Westeros - Another Delos Destination.
There actually is a Medievalworld and Romeworld in the movie.
shira
Member
What the fuck ding-dong?
Probably been discussed but given Delos' complete ownership being hammered home this episode, I'm struggling to see how anyone can suggest William and Logan are in the same timeframe. They clearly couldn't be working for Delos in the modern time since they own the place outright. And they don't exactly seem to be in some precarious financial position that could suggest they work for some outside company looking to take over Delos itself given they are apparently doing sinister background development, which doesn't exactly seem like the plans of a company about to give up any commitments.
That moment when he said "what door" holy shit.
What an episode
Yeah I was like this series went from good to great in 5 seconds. What a tweeeest.
Once I saw this face, I knew it was all over for her.
The gawd
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
"What door?" was the moment.