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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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Yes, because there are no pictures of him anywhere.
esmith08734
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I watched the first episode last night. Yup, I'm in.
shira
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I'm expecting bombs to be dropped in episode 9 like GoT.
Dubbedinenglish
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Cornballer
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- NY Times: Westworld and the Moral Dilemma of Cyborgs
- Variety: Westworld DP Paul Cameron: A Camera Is Just Another Film Stock
- Pitchfork: Westworld Composer Ramin Djawadi on Why Those Radiohead Covers Keep Coming
Also re-upping this ERW profile from earlier in the week. Worth a read.
- Variety: Westworld DP Paul Cameron: A Camera Is Just Another Film Stock
- Pitchfork: Westworld Composer Ramin Djawadi on Why Those Radiohead Covers Keep Coming
Also re-upping this ERW profile from earlier in the week. Worth a read.
WTF? Is that actually a theory?
Or do you just mean the theory about scenes taking place in two time periods (William/MiB, etc)?
shira
Member
It's reverse Terminator.
MiB is in the actual Wild West with hosts brought in from the future.
My speculation is that something like what you said in the bold will occur.
I think the reveal will be less about the shock that William is the MiB (because no one will be shocked at this point), and more that it will be tied to an additional plot revelation or character revelation. Like that he has been in love with that version of Delores this entire time, or some connection to Arnold (possibly his death), or some really cool scene involving de-aged Hopkins. Something that represents 'the incident from 30 years ago', etc.
As a separate general thought, I think it's possibly that William is not the MiB. His storyline at least parallels the MiB's early days, but they could end up toying with everyone's expectations. For example, I could see them killing William out of nowhere, and then revealing that Ben Barnes is the MiB.
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thepotatoman
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Never thought about it being two different time periods before. I did notice the parallel between William and the MiB, but I figured it was just a thematic thing, not a plot thing.
It's an interesting theory, but how does it fit with Delores's timeline? I would think all those conversations between Dolores and Benard, or Delores and old man Robert wouldn't match up.
It's an interesting theory, but how does it fit with Delores's timeline? I would think all those conversations between Dolores and Benard, or Delores and old man Robert wouldn't match up.
Their corny Harlequin Romance story sucks even if it is just a ruse.
Chiaroscuro
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In theory Dolores made her journey at least twice, once 30 years ago with William and another in the current timeline, alone, retracing her steps with William. Both timelines are displayed interlaced in the show, that is why some scenes seems repeated with minimal changes (gun, no gun, etc). It is part of the "loop" routines the hosts have.
In Dolores interviews with Bernard, he could not be Bernard but Arnold himself, 35 years ago. Ford's interviews are in the present.
That's Arnold, not Bernard. Bernard is an Arnold replica.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Was this already posted? The New York Times ran a decent piece about the recent reveal and Westworld as a whole. Mirrors a lot of my feelings, especially in the last couple episodes.
Westworld Reveals a Big Twist, but Little Heart
That Rolling Stone interview with Evan Rachel Wood was also a great read. Not an actress that has always been on my radar. I'm hoping to see her in more stuff now though.
Westworld Reveals a Big Twist, but Little Heart
That Rolling Stone interview with Evan Rachel Wood was also a great read. Not an actress that has always been on my radar. I'm hoping to see her in more stuff now though.
I also think they will reveal at some point what MIB actually did to Dolores in that haystack.
At first everyone thought that he dragged her back there to rape her in HBO fashion
Then they show him taking out the knife implying he opened her skull. But they cut away fast the second he pulls the knife
I bet this is all misdirection and he probably did and said something more heartwarming to her that revealed he's William. The knife is used for something else.
At first everyone thought that he dragged her back there to rape her in HBO fashion
Then they show him taking out the knife implying he opened her skull. But they cut away fast the second he pulls the knife
I bet this is all misdirection and he probably did and said something more heartwarming to her that revealed he's William. The knife is used for something else.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Goddammit.
shit son
More_Badass
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Another point to add to the ever-growing pile of evidence regarding William = MIB
More_Badass
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I think the reveal will still be effective. Like even for those who suspected Bernard was a host, they wrapped that reveal within one hell of a heartbreaking, tense, and gripping scene
forgeforsaken
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I dunno, this could disprove as much as prove, at least from the quoted bits. Those aren't in show order, as the Teddy scene came first. For the MiB scene, we already know that he and Dolores have a history, so no surprise he'd know the line. Now with William, you see Dolores starting to question the idea, she's not saying the exact line like MiB is quoting.
Freeza Under The Shower
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He said that because he had just been told that line by Lawrence, I believe. It was clear within his plot where he'd gotten it from within that episode, at any rate.
I really hope you will all be disappointed, just to see the reactions.
Yeah if it's true, I don't think I would've been smart enough to put it together. lol
It is a compelling idea though. William comes to Westworld as such a kind and good-hearted person, it would be interesting to see him become corrupted by the place. His comment to Dolores that Westworld "shows you who you really are" seems telling.
Cornballer
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Sepinwall noted that there's no screeners for the rest of the season, so they'll likely be covering a lot of ground (and twists and turns) in the final three episodes this year.
molnizzle
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I'm probably gonna binge through the whole season again once it ends. I already kinda started to after episode 6, but after the Bernard reveal I decided I should just wait until it was over.
This makes me even more excited to see what's ahead.
shira
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a Master Ninja
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So what's the going theory on what Delos actually wants from the park?
Blackmail important guests? Replace human politicians and CEOs with robots they control? Robot soldiers?
Blackmail important guests? Replace human politicians and CEOs with robots they control? Robot soldiers?
That's awesome
SuperStiltzkin
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And I can't wait to see all the "wow this show sucks, so cheap!" when we're right
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
^^^this
I'd bet something along the lines of immortality via conciousness transfer or something along those lines.
Probably whatever Arnold did to himself but in a more practical way.
wesleyshark
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JoJo UK
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More_Badass
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You don't need indistinguishable-from-human machines that can think and adapt for the battlefield. If anything, that would be a waste to have such advanced machines when you could have more effecient effective designs with treads or drones or whatnot
I dunno. They don't even seem to have the internet.
Chiaroscuro
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Military purposes would be my first guess, specially 35 years from the "now". However, given the ammount of time passed, effort and money investment from Delos all those years, it could not be that simple. Delos could develop a lot of military tools with the same money in the same timeframe by its own. So it must be something special, I guess they discovered what Arnold did and wanted it. Maybe immortality, who knows. Depends who is the head of Delos right now. MiB could be involved in Delos management, as Williams ties to a Logan's family. However he cannot be the head from it, since he seems to persue something different. Another big player is still on the shadows, it is probably next seasons material.
SuperStiltzkin
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As Bernard already proved, Hosts would be extremely useful as spies and infiltrators for corporate espionage. Actually surprised Delos hasn't used their data to blackmail guests. Like some CEO who likes to engage in rape and murder fantasies or something.
Making host copies of influential individuals would be my guess. Can upload new "narratives" and points of view and the host will instantly agree with them, with a foundation of implanted memories to back them up. Pretty fucked up tbh
I'm actually surprised they went full organic host. I mean is there nothing about a host that distinguishes them from humans? There has gotta be some uplink chips or some crap to be able to upload to their brain and hear through them. Maybe we will find out if Maeve successfully escapes, and we see if a host actually can leave the park (I'd guess not)
I believe Maeve is essentially the audience perspective. She knows as much as we do and we are going to be learning everything right along with her. Every other character has more information than us, and the audience only catches up when they decide to reveal it to us
I'm actually surprised they went full organic host. I mean is there nothing about a host that distinguishes them from humans? There has gotta be some uplink chips or some crap to be able to upload to their brain and hear through them. Maybe we will find out if Maeve successfully escapes, and we see if a host actually can leave the park (I'd guess not)
I believe Maeve is essentially the audience perspective. She knows as much as we do and we are going to be learning everything right along with her. Every other character has more information than us, and the audience only catches up when they decide to reveal it to us
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
My guesses in no particular order:
- Political blackmail by spying on guests.
- Artificial agents for espionage, perfect because they're disposable and believe they are who they say they are until hidden instructions trigger.
- Cheaply 3D printed AI workers. Essentially a new slave industry. First to market with that gets super rich.
- The original Futureworld plot of outright replacing leaders with hosts.
- Key to human immortality with host bodies that can accept the human mind. With exclusive rights owned by one company.
Personally I think it's more interesting to consider what Ford may want, being at cross purposes to Delos rather than collaborating. He's obviously ruthless and amoral. Is he just a madman "telling his stories" and holding Delos hostage via the park's database? Does he also have plans for the hosts, but ones that are even more ambitious or flat out weirder?
He lamented humanity being at a dead end. Is he trying to create humanity's successor, but has extremely exacting standards? Thus, unlike Arnold, won't allow himself to believe the hosts are truly sentient until they achieve some criteria? (Perhaps he wants to see the end of an experiment Arnold began, himself.)