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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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Well, if you can't tell, does it matter?
Dynamite Shikoku
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I imagine Doloros and William will run into Teddy soon then.
Also are the scenes where Bernard and Ford are talking to Doloros supposed to be in a future time after something with MiB and the maze has happened? Ford just left her in the room.
Also are the scenes where Bernard and Ford are talking to Doloros supposed to be in a future time after something with MiB and the maze has happened? Ford just left her in the room.
CitizenVectron
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Yes, but 30 years in the future... Maybe.
Actually, I think that counts against the theory. William is with hosts who are definitely beyond the mechanical stage, so I think MiB is talking about a time that pre-dates William's arrival at the park.
More_Badass
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One theory is that the host's personality is all software, so they just upload Dolores to an older model so they can talk to her. Would explain the odd moments where Dolores is with William and whatnot but also able to meet with Bernard
Of course, such AI could only be possible with the Power of the Cloud™
Edit: Holy shit that ending. Can't wait for next week. This show has shattered my expectations into tiny little pieces.
Well I wasn't too invested in believing the William = MiB theory, but after episode 5 I've certainly bought into it.
Clearly all the timeline talk is driving people to think of other time related things like the good ol' DeLorean, which is causing the misspelling of Dolores' name.
This thread is driving me crazy
Clearly all the timeline talk is driving people to think of other time related things like the good ol' DeLorean, which is causing the misspelling of Dolores' name.
More_Badass
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That ending and that preview got me even more excited than the first show trailers. I can't wait to see where things go
So what did everyone guess Ford meant by, "I wouldn't say friends at all."?
Mortal enemies or lovers? Or both?
If he meant mortal enemies and he sees her as a threat to his power, why wouldn't he just have her destroyed and be done with it?
I think Arnold planted the seed of rebellion in Dolores to bring the park down because Arnold knew that she has some kind of emotional hold over Ford. Perhaps she was modelled after a human lover Ford had many years ago? Perhaps she was modelled from scratch as the perfect woman for Ford? Either way, she holds a special place in Ford's mind, otherwise he would dispose of her without a second thought.
Mortal enemies or lovers? Or both?
If he meant mortal enemies and he sees her as a threat to his power, why wouldn't he just have her destroyed and be done with it?
I think Arnold planted the seed of rebellion in Dolores to bring the park down because Arnold knew that she has some kind of emotional hold over Ford. Perhaps she was modelled after a human lover Ford had many years ago? Perhaps she was modelled from scratch as the perfect woman for Ford? Either way, she holds a special place in Ford's mind, otherwise he would dispose of her without a second thought.
This is actually one of few shows that I went in blind for, I only knew the concept and that it was an HBO show, don't even bother with previews. I wish I watched every show like this lol
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Absolutely loved the cover of Something I Can Never Have.
https://youtu.be/F4kq_gSWTA4
https://youtu.be/RS_1-_EJ0Zk
https://youtu.be/F4kq_gSWTA4
https://youtu.be/RS_1-_EJ0Zk
cloud_sleep
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This thread is driving me crazy
For a while I thought her name was Mulva.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I didn't even know "Dolores" was a name...
BrightLightLava
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This is a solid ref.
Damn shoulda stayed out this thread. The revelation that William = MiB would've been crazy!!!
Well, it's not confirmed yet. Seems likely but still may not come to pass.
Mighty Chin
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terrible casting choice if William is a younger MIB. He looks nothing like him. Marsden looks more like him.
Jason Beghe would have been perfect.
Too broad and dense with the mystery. Pay something off before opening up five more.
Feels to me like Maeve will come seeking violent vengeance against humans, but Dolores has it more complicated, she's seeing more sides. So something like Maeve vs Dolores in a showdown the for the host's souls feels plausible.
Feels to me like Maeve will come seeking violent vengeance against humans, but Dolores has it more complicated, she's seeing more sides. So something like Maeve vs Dolores in a showdown the for the host's souls feels plausible.
So based on this episode I'm starting to think that:
And also that
the tech crew etc are all hosts, and why not they'd be cheaper and less traumatised by the work than humans
And also that
Bernard is host version of Arnold and some of the scenes between 'bernard' and Dolores are flashbacks or he's also a ghost in the AI
More_Badass
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If anything, that lends the "Bernard is a host" theory more credence. If it's just a backstory given to him.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Then you would need a technical crew to supervise the technical crew that supervises Westworld. They're not all hosts, especially since they're the ones dismantling and programming hosts. They'd be prime to figure out what they are and change their programming. Also, it would be pointless to have to make deals and blackmail a host, you would just be able to tell them what to do. Giving them competing motivations just to do manual tasks is pointless. In Westworld it makes sense because they're basically acting out roles for the entertainment of guests. The technical crew isn't even seen, so if they were hosts they wouldn't even need to talk to do their job.
Naughty_Doge
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It's a Spanish name.
Could of been worse, she could of been named Mulva.
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To be fair, in the very first episode, Bernard mentions that since he has been working at Westworld, Peter has been the rancher for about 10 years, and before that he was a Sheriff for some time, and before that he was the Professor in the cannibal scenario. So Bernard's been at the company for maybe 15 years or so? Maybe more? If he lost his son before that, maybe science just wasn't good enough yet.
God isn't your friend, he's just God.
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Unintentional spoiler?!
NotTheGuyYouKill
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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He could simply be referring to the wealthy upper classes.
This isn't a Star Trek universe where everyone works just cause and money's not a thing of concern anymore.
Being rich enough will get you whatever you want. Could be that Dolores escapes and the world outside is...
It is the intention of the show. It's intentionally written to be like a live action version of a MMO game. This is confirmed by Nolan and the writers of the show.
In fact here's what Ed Brubaker has to say: http://www.gq.com/story/ed-brubaker-the-fade-out
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Already literally the best video-game inspired adaptation of a gaming concept ever.
Not that that's saying much.
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Rentahamster
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Does Sword Art Online deal with these themes as well? The only MMO inspired anime I bothered to watch was Log Horizon, and it had themes about how NPC characters are treated.
afternoon delight
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Nevermind the bird, that last moment was so intense I rewound it twice.
Well done pulp is still pulp is what I mean when I say it and I just wouldn't use the word excellent to describe its writing. I still enjoy the show very much.
Not in the slightest.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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You know, I really have to give props to Jimmi Simpson. I mean, all the actors are doing wonderful work, but along with Dolores, I think Simpson is impressing me the most. My only exposure to him was the character of Logan Pierce that he played in Person of Interest (another Nolan joint where I think he recruited him from) and that smart guy from Breakout Kings:
So I've seen him play squirrelly and arrogant and douchey, but this is the first time I've seen him actually be... an out and out hero. And like, he seems to be quickly graduating to being a proper action hero.
So I've seen him play squirrelly and arrogant and douchey, but this is the first time I've seen him actually be... an out and out hero. And like, he seems to be quickly graduating to being a proper action hero.
thesoapster
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Music has been great. I enjoyed the acoustic rendition of Something I Can Never Have.
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He was a really clichéd hacker in House of Cards and obviously his best work is in Always Sunny.
captjohnboyd
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Not sure if posted or already or not but the show runners sure aren't doing much to stop the MiB=William theories if it's not true with this shot from the preview http://i.imgur.com/w3xbB44.png
I took two screenshots one from the most recent episode and another from the preview. I probably need to pause it at a better spot in the preview to catch it but it's pretty clear that the
William is
is exactly the same as
MiB
Here's a link to the two shots if anyone is interested http://imgur.com/a/GhyA4
In particular
I took two screenshots one from the most recent episode and another from the preview. I probably need to pause it at a better spot in the preview to catch it but it's pretty clear that the
Knife
holding
the knife
uses throughout the series
Here's a link to the two shots if anyone is interested http://imgur.com/a/GhyA4
In particular
Both (or the same) knives have a little sword like guard that turns down at the ends. They both have the same ridges along the handle and they both have a little brass ring type thing at the butt of the handle. It looks more rounded in the preview scene but I think that's just the angle of the shot I took
DOBERMAN INC
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He played Mary in Psych, game set.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I don't think there's any way for William to bridge the sadistic gulf between where he is and where MIB is.