I wonder how many times I have to say I'll ship these to GAF members for cost and shipping before people notice? I guess people just don't read through threads
It doesn't need to be optimized, but neither did it need to have the other features removed. Making the menu look less barren seems like the easier thing to accomplish.
Are more recent copies of the game fixed? The ones Nintendo would be hoping to sell new at $20-30?Aquamarine said:
Then I'll have to slap myself for not paying attention. I did not notice you said that. I'll keep in touch with you via PM, then.
I don't see any sense in this, since the devices are in completely different price ranges. I can't see someone wanting a Wii, see the 99 mini looks cheap and then decide to invest 350 on an U. Think about it.
It's admittedly an exaggeration even for the US, but Canada's a first world country so I have to assume HDTV adoption is similar there as it is in the US. Failing that, most of the late CRT TVs have component input so as long as you have a TV from the last DECADE you could stand to benefit from component. Killing support for that will make the image a bit weak on SDTVs, and outright bad on HDTVs. I seriously can't imagine the savings would've justified that, but this IS Nintendo, and the other two aren't innocent of this kind of penny pinching. That, as as noted the newer SNES in the US dropped S-Video support, so there's the implication this may spread anyway.
Actually, I thought the Wii looked worse on the CRT TVs I had access to than my HDTV. But then both were cheap-ish (one was a very cheap 14 inch TV, the other an OK Sharp), and my HDTV IS an older Sony Bravia with a Game Mode. Only ever had issues with input lag I noticed with rhythm games, preferred the CRT for Guitar Hero 1 and couldn't play Space Channel on PS2 worth a damn at all, but I'm not the best at rhythm games anyway. At any rate progressive scan's supposed to help with input lag, and this IS a cheap system meant to be for more casual consumers who aren't going to want extra TVs around just for older games, especially with how heavy CRTs can be.
The Wii U gamepad may be my only hope.The Wii U upscales Wii games so it plays pretty well with little to no apparent lag.I was talking about stretching to HD resolutions.
You really don't notice input lag in, like, every game? It drove me mad in Twilight Princess, Brawl, Wii Sports, Mario Galaxy... everything feels so sluggish even with component cables and filters off. I've bought Visios, Samsungs, Sonys, plasmas, LEDs, LCDs... and I still haven't found a good HDTV that's lag free with PS3/360 games...
Dunno what to say, I don't notice any lag at all. I put my TV in Game-Mode, make sure it isn't applying smoothing or dynamic contrast or super white or any of those modes, and I don't notice one lick of lag. Rock Band says I have around 65ms of lag in its calibration, but I just don't notice it outside of rhythm games, that's like two frames of lag at 60fps, one frame at 30.I was talking about stretching to HD resolutions.
You really don't notice input lag in, like, every game? It drove me mad in Twilight Princess, Brawl, Wii Sports, Mario Galaxy... everything feels so sluggish even with component cables and filters off. I've bought Visios, Samsungs, Sonys, plasmas, LEDs, LCDs... and I still haven't found a good HDTV that's lag free with PS3/360 games...
There's no stretching there. Sure, that one game made a poor graphical choice for how they implement 16:9, so it lost a little bit of detail, but the picture doesn't look stretched in any way.
The pixels are stretched, not the game.
1. The Wii always produces a 4:3 image. It just proportions it to look correct when stretched to 16:9, but if you compare 4:3 and 16:9 modes (preferably those that AREN'T letterboxed in 4:3) you'll see it's much sharper. That Wario Land link gives a good example. Ideally we could've gotten a 853x480 image or something in that range, but Nintendo didn't feel like pushing for that and I guess TV manufacturers or whoever sets these standards didn't take that possibility into account.
That's how 16:9 works at 480i/p. There is only one 480p resolution - around 704x480. 16:9 just draws wider pixels without changing the resolution. Obviously only CRT's are capable of drawing wider pixels, so fixed-pixel displays like LCD, DLP and Plasma simulate it by using more pixels and scaling the image.
See above - there is no 853x480 image support in the ATSC or NTSC standards, there's only the one resolution.
Huh - I've never run into this - not in my Panasonic HD CRT back in 2002, nor any of my TV's since then (I currently have a 2010-model Sony Bravia, before that I had a Vizio), nor either of the projectors I've owned. That would suck, though like I say, it's something you'd almost never need with a Wii, only really with some of the VC games.
Do all Wii games (not including VC, of course, which are 4:3) have 16:9 support of some kind? I'm not clear on this.
Picked this up today as a Christmas gift for my kids.
Also snagged a copy of Super Mario Galaxy.
Why the heck isn't NSMBW cheaper than 60 freaking dollars at this point?!
It's disappointing that they didn't do this, even though I guess it'd only have been particularly relevant for the Wii and a handful of PS2/Xbox games. Would've done a lot to make the games look better relative to the 360/PS3, assuming they actually pursued it.
No, it's like VC games: they output 4:3 whether it's set to 16:9 or not. They started adding borders (black or otherwise) after awhile but some games are still 4:3 only like La Mualana.
Ah, so you mean that some early Wii games are 4:3 only and will be stretched in 16:9? That makes things confusing then... I know that some Wii games are 16:9 only and play with borders in 4:3 -- examples of this include Xenoblade and Skyward Sword, which have black borders, and Kirby's Epic Yarn, which has drawn (Kirby-esque) borders. And I know that VC games are of course 4:3 and just stretch in 16:9. But I wasn't sure about the rest of Wii games themselves... so most have some sort of 16:9 support, but there are a few that don't and will stretch? Ideally Wii games should support both (and it's quite annoying that Xenoblade particularly doesn't, because its text is WAY too small in 4:3! It's halfway unreadable really!), but oh well... it's just annoying to have to keep switching back and forth, and for the games to not tell you if they are 4:3 or 16:9 or both, either. Which of course they never do, I don't think.
