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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years

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Sephzilla

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Roman Reigns vs Daniel Bryan at Fastlane is one of my favorite matches of the year. It was superb.

That entire mini-feud between Bryan and Roman was honestly good. I'd peg that as the one shining moment of Roman's bad WM31 push (and also evidence that Bryan should have been the guy)
 

rugioh

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TOO MANY DISTRACTION ROLLUPS

TOO MANY DQS

TOO MUCH AUTHORITY BACKSTAGE SNIPPETS

NXT/Lucha Underground/NJPW is the holy trinity, don't need anything else
 

Mahonay

Banned
3 hours seems excessive.
One of the biggest problems.

It's 3 hours with a huge chunk consisting of filler. Also the part where every week is nearly the same as the week before. Vince McMahon's reaction to the constant decrease in ratings has been to play it incredibly safe. Shoving corporate branding and marketing at the viewer, takes precedent over actual storylines and match booking, since WWE seems to believe there's only money in the former.

When the product you're advertising varies from "dripping shit sandwich" to "piece of toast they surprisingly managed to not burn this time ", it doesn't really matter how you brand it.
 

abundant

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I would think WWE's decline would have some effect on TNA gaining more viewers maybe. Instead the viewers are just leaving pro wrestling all together. Doesn't bode well for their industry.

That's because, while WWE is bad because it is boring/nothing matters, TNA is on a whole new level of bad. Case in point: The Matt Hardy/TNA Title situation.

The Hardy/EC3 Title match is made during the go home show of Bound For Glory, aka TNA's Wrestlemania. Hardy wins the match and proceeds to forfeit the title the next day on Youtube.
 

Mahonay

Banned
Not like that's saying a lot. There's nothing else that's any good.
New Day is legit amazing. One of the best tag stables to have ever existed in the WWE. Watching them though makes it obvious just how sterile and shitty the rest of the show is in comparison. They are one of the very few performers that have been given the green light to write a lot of their own stuff. What kills everyone else on the roster is the micromanaging of every single aspect of their character. Everyone else is forced to stick to the worst fucking scripts imagineable and get constantly quagmired in nonsensical feuds.
 

Anth0ny

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I would think WWE's decline would have some effect on TNA gaining more viewers maybe. Instead the viewers are just leaving pro wrestling all together. Doesn't bode well for their industry.

Something similar happened when wcw died. Those viewers didn't go to wwf, they just kinda vanished.
 

RBH

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Raw on Monday night did 3.37 million viewers, slightly up from the 3.32 million viewers last week. Last week was the lowest non-holiday rating for Raw since October of 1997 when there was head-to-head competition from Nitro. All five shows since Labor Day have done between 3.32 million and 3.4 million viewers, so if nothing else, the audience is consistent.

The big competition, a Monday Night Football game between the Seattle Seahawks and Detroit Lions, drew 14.40 million viewers which was up from the prior week of 13.52 million viewers.

The three hours were:

8 p.m. 3.47 million viewers
9 p.m. 3.49 million viewers
10 p.m. 3.17 million viewers
http://www.f4wonline.com/news/wwe-raw-ratings-10-5-numbers-remain-same-199261


The final rating for Monday night’s show was a 2.35, up from last week’s 2.33. This marks the first time since April 1997 that RAW finished below a 2.4 in consecutive weeks.
http://www.pwmania.com/raw-rating-l...e-tryout-john-morrison-booker-t#ixzz3nv3NCRD6
 

Carnby

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was he? I don't think that is a fact, maybe from your own point of view

If Punk took wrestling slightly more serious than he already does, he would think wrestling was real.
 

Paracelsus

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Except this time there won't be a Punk resorting to shave his head, come out ten or fifteen times and say the word Ass just to get a reaction, just to get noticed. They're painfully and so royally screwed.

If Punk took wrestling slightly more serious than he already does, he would think wrestling was real.

You didn't listen to one word he said in the Colt Cabana podcast.
 

Mahonay

Banned
Except this time there won't be a Punk resorting to shave his head, come out ten or fifteen times and say the word Ass just to get a reaction, just to get noticed. They're painfully and so royally screwed.
Heyman has been filling that roll now, but it's not working.
 

Paracelsus

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Heyman has been filling that roll now, but it's not working.

America has got a severe obesity problem but I'm positive they won't spend their good buck on a shirt based off a walrus. Austin's persona was a redneck but girls screamed for him and men thought he looked badass. Punk was the last "all-rounder" marketable guy outside Cena with enough wrestling and mic skills to be main eventer. Bryan doesn't matter, he was Mankind-over. Ah, right


Adimeadozen midcard mic skills.

I fucking listened to it.

Biggest fucking crybaby in the world.

You can be right while crying, the sad state of affairs of the program and all the storylines leading to said state match word by word with what he said, you can deny all you want but it won't change a thing. It's 2015, you have a bunch of midcarders nobody of which is over enough to be world champion, and Kane and Undertaker anywhere near the main event let alone competing for a belt.
 

Anth0ny

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Its only going to get worse. They are gonna have such a hard time going up against MNF. I don't think the ratings will improve much until Royal Rumble comes around.

they'll probably pop a rating on that show with austin, michaels and lesnar and think everything is fine
 

UberTag

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I would think WWE's decline would have some effect on TNA gaining more viewers maybe. Instead the viewers are just leaving pro wrestling all together. Doesn't bode well for their industry.
Something similar happened when wcw died. Those viewers didn't go to wwf, they just kinda vanished.
That's the drawback with programming your entire customer base to think that you're the only game in town and that no other wrestling product is worth watching. If they get sick of YOU, they're not going to bother seeking out alternatives. They're just going to think wrestling is no longer for them and go do something else. And they WON'T come back no matter what you do. (Apart from nostalgia.)
 

GaimeGuy

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That's the drawback with programming your entire customer base to think that you're the only game in town and that no other wrestling product is worth watching. If they get sick of YOU, they're not going to bother seeking out alternatives. They're just going to think wrestling is no longer for them and go do something else. And they WON'T come back no matter what you do. (Apart from nostalgia.)
It's also burnout because you limit your content to such a narrow spectrum. In fact I don't think I watch more than 10 events a year now.
 

Carnby

Member
It's 2015, you have a bunch of midcarders nobody of which is over enough to be world champion, and Kane and Undertaker anywhere near the main event let alone competing for a belt.

So fucking what. Punk was nothing special. He can piss and moan in all the safest places as much as he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a boring piece of trash midcarder just like the rest of them.
 
So fucking what. Punk was nothing special. He can piss and moan in all the safest places as much as he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a boring piece of trash midcarder just like the rest of them.
Did Punk piss in your cereal?
 

UberTag

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So fucking what. Punk was nothing special. He can piss and moan in all the safest places as much as he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a boring piece of trash midcarder just like the rest of them.
You should tweet that to him and share his response with us.
I imagine it will go something like this.

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So fucking what. Punk was nothing special. He can piss and moan in all the safest places as much as he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a boring piece of trash midcarder just like the rest of them.

Biggest fucking crybaby in the world.
 

Sephzilla

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So fucking what. Punk was nothing special. He can piss and moan in all the safest places as much as he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a boring piece of trash midcarder just like the rest of them.
Punk and Bryan are the last two guys who've had any kind of crossover appeal since Rock
 

UberTag

Member
God.... that cash in... Cena with one arm. I am still sad about it :(
Sandow's been wrestling for the WWE in various capacities since 2003.
He's given them 12 of the best years of his life and all he's had is the rug pulled out from under him in his two biggest pushes.
 

Paracelsus

Member
Speaking of Sandow: is there one, at least one wrestler outside Cena whose booking has been perfectly consistent?

Think Kane as the opposite, going from needing several people against for a pin to lose to Rey Mysterio clean.

Is anybody left a viewer can't say "is that guy now good? Wasn't he losing to Truth weeks ago?".

Cena jobbed a whole lot when he started, after he got the rapper gimmick over he became god. Austin the same, jobbed in 1996, after WM13 and especially 14 he couldn't be stopped (like, you needed Kane AND Undertaker to pin him). You could argue Lesnar, but they bet on the hiatus he had to help people forget he got buried by Cena and HHH.
 
Speaking of Sandow: is there one, at least one wrestler outside Cena whose booking has been perfectly consistent?

Think Kane as the opposite, going from needing several people against for a pin to lose to Rey Mysterio clean.

Is anybody left a viewer can't say "is that guy now good? Wasn't he losing to Truth weeks ago?".

Cena jobbed a whole lot when he started, after he got the rapper gimmick over he became god. Austin the same, jobbed in 1996, after WM13 and especially 14 he couldn't be stopped (like, you needed Kane AND Undertaker to pin him). You could argue Lesnar, but they bet on the hiatus he had to help people forget he got buried by Cena and HHH.

Lesnar and Cena are the only two people who aren't booked like midcarders. They tried with Reigns but they sabotaged him with those promos and the Rumble fiasco and his injury didn't help.(he had yet to be established as a good in ring singles competitor by the Rumble)

And Taker but that guy kicks dicks.
 

DeathyBoy

Banned
Sorry, but as someone who thinks Roman Reigns has a ton of potential - Roman did not deserve that push and he was clearly not ready for it. He was flubbing promos. Creative couldn't write anything good for him. He had yet to put up a solid singles match since leaving The Shield. The crowd was also not fully behind him yet as a singles competitor. Roman was pushed a year too early and everyone who had I think everyone with a level head on their shoulders could have seen that easily.

Bryan should have been the 2015 Royal Rumble winner because he was absolutely the hot hand at the time and the Brock vs Bryan storyline for WM31 could have been huge money. Oh, the only legitimately good match Roman had during his WrestleMania push was against (guess who), Daniel Bryan.

Please, Lesnar would've fucked Bryan up worse than that ladder match did. Bryan was walking-injured and in no way would've come out after a full on Lesnar match in any fit state to do much of anything.
 

Pavaloo

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Sandow should be the longest reigning champion of the modern era


I'm not serious. He got as much as he gave
 
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