Punk is just never satisfied.
HE MAIN EVENTED MANIA AGAINST THE UNDERTAKER FOR FUCK SAKE.
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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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Punk is just never satisfied.
HE MAIN EVENTED MANIA AGAINST THE UNDERTAKER FOR FUCK SAKE.
Perspicacity
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Punk's ability to get you nerds riled up two years after he stopped getting in the ring is pretty impressive tbh
Piston Hyundai
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what's this have to do with wwe ratings, again
Perspicacity
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Glad to be of service.
With a Katy Perry avatar to boot, lmfao
hydragonwarrior
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Undertaker/Sting/Hogan vs Mcmahon family?
Master Thespian
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Nah, Punk's ability to get people to still overrate him two years after he left and get everyone else riled up... that's impressive.
Raw ratings continue to drop:
http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/20...tings-oct-12-2015-viewers-back-at-record-lows
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's what you took from this?
I took "Get Kane away from the main event" away from this. Also, I'm fairly certain they're putting the title back on Cena at RR or WM.
They need to go back to 2 hours. The one positive lesson here is that they shouldn't go back to 9-11 with their "PG" focus.
The real problem is obviously the creative and booking. But until Vince cedes some control, that won't get fixed.
Or Rollins is just as bad. Dude has been drawing terribly as champion with his mediocre promos. I understand he's pretty good in the ring but nobody really cares about that except the smarks.
Yup, it's ridiculous. It made sense back during the attitude era, but now your main viewership probably has to go to bed before 10PM. I know I had to back in 1998. I was 6. I used to record the last hour of Raw and watch it the next day after school.
Also, 3 fucking hours of programming is insane. As I said, I used to watch an hour of raw a night back when I was a kid. There wasn't a chance in fuck my parents would let me sit in front of the TV for three straight hours watching the same show, let alone every Monday night. I had homework to do. I had sports to play. 3 hours in front of the TV when I was younger than 10 was unfathomable on a weeknight. I wonder how much of a factor that is in the rating during the 3 hour era.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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There isn't a single flaw with Rollins as a performer. You've just got weird personal feelings about him.
On October 12, 1998, Raw did a 4.81 and Nitro did a 4.7.
And I'm pretty sure Monday Night Football was a thing back then, too.
Sato Koiji
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They need Papa Shango. Need him badly...
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I think the highest rated Raws were somewhere around 6 million viewers.
Jan 4th 1999 (Mankind winning the WWF title/Fingerpoke of Doom) had 11 million people watching wrestling between WWF and WCW.
That night was the Jaguars-Dolphins but MNF was on ABC though.
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thepotatoman
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Getting Kane and Big Show away from the main event is always a good idea. No wonder they're doing extra terribly if that's who they're pushing.
Well he's one of the lowest drawing champions of all time so I beg to differ.
There's no one else good enough to take over right now
What does a 4.81 translate to though?
Spirit of Jazz
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Show/Kane are just indicative of how terrible the writing/booking are right now. It doesn't matter how much talent they have when they don't know how to sell shit.
I'm not the biggest fan of Rollins on the mic, but when you have to do a 30 minute promo at the start of every RAW where you do nothing other than whine after doing nothing other than lose you're going to die out there. It's just as bad as making Roman cut a cheesy over-rehearsed promo in front of a Chicago crowd. Instead of building the show around each talents strengths and weaknesses they just book the same shit week in and out despite the fact the Rock/Stone Cold wouldn't be able to get it over if they were still around.
Liquidsnake
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Rollins is actually one of the most talented dudes on the roster right now, as far as total package.
They need to take the title off of him to at least spark SOMETHING. Rollins has been doing the same shit for SIX MONTHS. He's only regressed since then. It's boring, tiresome, underwhelming and annoying. He is the weakest booked Champion the company has had in a long time, if not ever. He is 1-17 in the last 2 months, the last win on Raw he had was in August. It's shameful how they've booked him and the sooner they take it off of him the better.
I don't think it'd matter who was in the role. It's the same issue as the '90s, Vince is out of touch and it's dragging down everything.
Exactly.
I'm not sure exactly how the math works but keep in mind the nitro viewership too.... Wrestling was red fucking hot.
They need to drastically change up the presentation.
Different camera angles, different locations(maybe do some smaller non arena events), different presentation format).
Maybe do a show with no hard cam or invent a new perspective such as a hanging camera with the ability to rotate around the ring and capture action.
Different camera angles, different locations(maybe do some smaller non arena events), different presentation format).
Maybe do a show with no hard cam or invent a new perspective such as a hanging camera with the ability to rotate around the ring and capture action.
Spirit of Jazz
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Like they tried with the Divas division? A sudden change in who holds a title isn't going to result in anything better when the people in charge are clueless.
aGuyInaBearSuit
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In terms of changing up how wrestling is presented, I've got two words for ya:
Lucha Underground.
Lucha Underground.
WWE should take a page out of WCW's playbook and start booking atypical venues, like Spring Break Nitro.
Just do fucking anything to spice up the bland as hell TV presentation right now.
Freedom = $1.05
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I thrown raw on a couple of times in the last few weeks after not seeing it for 15 years.
It's fucking awful. No one is good on the mic and no storyline was worth my time. I guess corporate Kane got a performance review in front of a live audience and Rollins didn't like him for being evil once or something?
It's fucking awful. No one is good on the mic and no storyline was worth my time. I guess corporate Kane got a performance review in front of a live audience and Rollins didn't like him for being evil once or something?
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Feel bad for Rollins. Instead of properly have him feud with Ambrose, Lesnar, Cena (lol), and maybe even The Rock's cousin they've booked him to take cleans falls and now he's working with Kane in 2015.
aGuyInaBearSuit
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I honestly think WWE currently has the best roster they've ever had but everything is ruined by the creative team being abysmal at their jobs.
Blame the budget cuts, the only time they go all out now is Mania.
See, this us what we all get for shitting on Reigns after the Rumble
"I WAS GONNA HAVE ROMAN WIN THE BELT BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, YOU CRIED LIKE WOMEN, NOW I'M GONNA TANK SETH!" - Angry Vince
shaowebb
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THIS. Longer spots, pushing in ring performance over physique spectacles, and focusing on matches over mic work. In other words...WRESTLING is how you get people to tune in. Not sports entertainment, shenanigan based, all hype and no payoff performers. Folks either put on exciting and impressive matches or you dont pretend it was exciting or impressive. Folks aren't the kind of marks they used to be because thanks to the internet they no longer suffer from lack of exposure to better performers. You can't get by on just hype alone.
Push the performances that need no story to get them over. If you have consistently got matches that create highlight reels of spots entertaining enough that folks WANT to gif them then you done wrestling right. You can't gif me a mediocre sequence with 2 months of hype and expect it to translate. Just like art, fuck people who think backstory makes it good. Its either something exciting or it isn't and the common person will know it when they see it no matter how many elitists shovel out cash and claim that certain bullshit is good.
Good wrestling, like good art, gets a pop without anyone having to talk it up first.
Reigns wasn't ready at the time. I do think a major f-up was not just giving Ambrose an actual short reign this summer. It would have done a massive amount to quell any backlash whenever Reigns gets his second major push.
This is exactly how you get the current WWE product. 15 minute meaningless matches on a weekly basis. It's a poisonous smark train of thought that WWE unfortunately bought into.
Wrestling is the least important thing - starpower, storylines, etc- Al Snow's point about Hogan/Andre being the "best" WM3 match from a business perspective isn't wrong.
Kevin Owens has said that the best advice he got was to never stop running his mouth.
WWE should take a page out of WCW's playbook and start booking atypical venues, like Spring Break Nitro.
Just do fucking anything to spice up the bland as hell TV presentation right now.
I think the issue is that they don't want to take a hit at the gate with tickets and merch (even though attendance is down) and they probably have the setup of that ugly HD tittron down to a science.
Honestly the titantron probably is too relied on as a tool for broadcasting info.
Little shit like not every run in needs to have music or an intro.
The glass shatters pops were cool but people used to do runs ins like they were real and not part of the script.
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