Goes without saying :')
Mainly I just want to throw some Rollins support out there, he shouldn't take any of the blame.
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WWE Raw drops to lowest TV rating in 18 years
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Goes without saying :')
Mainly I just want to throw some Rollins support out there, he shouldn't take any of the blame.
biggersmaller
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Maybe they should add more abortion subplots?
Keyser Soze
Member
There is definitely something wrong right now, as I have given up on RAW totally. I have been with WWE/F forever with small gaps every now and then, so they have to be doing something horrible to push me away. I still watch NXT, and sometimes check up on YouTube clips of RAW (New Day), but that is a big downgrade for me. I remember in the past that if I used to not watch RAW I always felt like I was missing something, now it just feels like there is nothing to miss.
To be honest, if it was not for NXT weekly reminding me that WWE exists, I might have given up completely by now.
To be honest, if it was not for NXT weekly reminding me that WWE exists, I might have given up completely by now.
Majukun
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because cena's fanbase (basically children and their parents) would go apeshit.
they went as far as saying they would have unsubscribed from the network when lesnar dominated cena..going as far as saying that they will not give money to a program that glorifies a bully
that's why they immediately put cena on the show and made him destroy people ASAP
Paracelsus
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You forgot Cena's merch sales dropped consistently when they dared let a way better wrestler go over just because he looks like a truck driver, so they smashed him as far away as they could from Cena.
EDIT: Yesterday I was ended up rewatching this by accident. Pure truth venom starts around the 03:00 mark
The Bookerman
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I want more of unpredictability.
Remember : "Anything can happen here in the WWF"
That's what's missing.
Something like this:
Stone Cold Stunner Night
Remember : "Anything can happen here in the WWF"
That's what's missing.
Something like this:
Stone Cold Stunner Night
On the bright side, they've been doing some good stuff with the WWE Network lately in terms of live event specials. Tonight for instance, they're doing a live event at Madison Square Garden and airing it exclusively on the Network:
WWE: Live from Madison Square Garden
Saturday October 3rd, 2015
8pm ET live on the WWE Network
Brock Lesnar vs. Big Show
Steel Cage Match for the WWE United States Title
Seth Rollins (c) vs. John Cena
WWE Tag Team Title Match
The Dudley Boyz vs. The New Day (c)
WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Kevin Owens (c)
Randy Orton vs. Sheamus
Dolph Ziggler vs. Rusev
* Appearances by Kane, Mark Henry, Stardust, Team Bella and more
WWE: Live from Madison Square Garden
Saturday October 3rd, 2015
8pm ET live on the WWE Network
Brock Lesnar vs. Big Show
Steel Cage Match for the WWE United States Title
Seth Rollins (c) vs. John Cena
WWE Tag Team Title Match
The Dudley Boyz vs. The New Day (c)
WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Kevin Owens (c)
Randy Orton vs. Sheamus
Dolph Ziggler vs. Rusev
* Appearances by Kane, Mark Henry, Stardust, Team Bella and more
ElectricBlanketFire
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I think what we're seeing here is the progressing stages of long-term ramifications from Vince running all those southern wrestling companies down years ago. He took all the top talent from all those various companies and built a business empire at the expense of future talent having different places to grow into something special. They also spend far too much TV time on really bad Soap Opera drama stories. I wonder what would happen if they went back to a early 90s model of wrestling with interviews sprinkled between each match. Let the drama unfold in the ring.
Guy Legend
Member
Return to more interesting characters and gimmicks like the old days. Everyone now is boring - couldn't name off many current wrestlers.
Keyser Soze
Member
No one would buy the network just for this, and the main even is trash, but there are a few matches on the card worth a watch....
Also, there is a chance they might redo this...
TimeEffect
Member
Maybe they should add more abortion subplots?
"The Third bella"
Oh the card itself is pretty mediocre, I won't argue that. But I like the trend of putting more exclusive live events on the Network, to boost the value of the subscription and make it worthwhile in the long-run. Things like the Japan special recently or all of the NXT specials. Things that are just.......a little different from the usual shit that we're getting on their cable TV shows.
The storylines these days are fucking boring recycled garbage. Most feuds don't even have a story, just one guy randomly jumping another guy with no context. There's pretty much no mid-card, they repeat the same fucking matches every show (how many times has Neville and Stardust had a match now?) and 3 hours is far too long for the talent they have. If people like Kevin Owens, Cesaro and Rollins weren't so fun to watch I'd have ditched it a long time ago.
Dick Justice
Banned
See, this is what happens when you fail to push Cesaro.
Joe Prodigy
Member
Meanwhile, Rollins cuts the greatest promo of all time. "Ask the Pope!".
I don't know, I've been digging Raw lately. My opinion may be "wrong" because I haven't had cable in a few years. I watch the 90 minute version on Hulu. I enjoy it almost every week. New Day is becoming one of my favorites. Kevin Owens is great. I'm nervous how the Boss Sasha Banks is going to be handled but I'm glad she's on the main roster.
Then there's Rollins. He's had an awesome run since breaking from the shield. (I miss the shield) Back then he couldn't win a match by himself but the Authority has been been pushing him to be the Man. Now he barely needs them. I believe he's the best on the show.
A lot of people are upset about Kane being in a storyline but this has been a long brewing rivalry and I'm psyched to see it pay off. Plus I love his character switching between Corporate and Demon.
I'm a happy wrestling fan.
I don't know, I've been digging Raw lately. My opinion may be "wrong" because I haven't had cable in a few years. I watch the 90 minute version on Hulu. I enjoy it almost every week. New Day is becoming one of my favorites. Kevin Owens is great. I'm nervous how the Boss Sasha Banks is going to be handled but I'm glad she's on the main roster.
Then there's Rollins. He's had an awesome run since breaking from the shield. (I miss the shield) Back then he couldn't win a match by himself but the Authority has been been pushing him to be the Man. Now he barely needs them. I believe he's the best on the show.
A lot of people are upset about Kane being in a storyline but this has been a long brewing rivalry and I'm psyched to see it pay off. Plus I love his character switching between Corporate and Demon.
I'm a happy wrestling fan.
Host Samurai
Member
So much this, along with the fact that by the time all the stars/legends retired MMA was really getting mainstream exposure. Not only that but the business is so exposed it's beyond repair. There is no mystique to it anymore and the wrestlers are all generic and don't really look like tough guys. If I saw the LOD in a bar I wouldn't fuck with them at all, but if I saw the Miz or Zack Ryder at a bar I wouldn't fear a scuffle.
Hell, Jeff Jarrett in the 90's looks more intimidating than everyone on the current roster.
As a life long wrestling fan I can say that wrestling in its current state just doesn't go well with the times. Just feel like an outdated form of entertainment.
Uno Venova
Banned
I'll tune in as soon as HHH takes over.
JehutyRunner
Banned
They did that a while back with Randy Orton and his RKO'ing when he was in the title picture after Mania. That was good.
Keyser Soze
Member
That won't change anything. The main product has to always cater to the lowest common denominator nowadays. It has to try and please reality show fans, men, women, and children all in one go. As a result it will always please no one.
NXT will be the only place for WWE fans to get decent quality nowadays. They are still small enough to do cool things, and not have to please a wide range of people and dilute what they do best.
That style will never translate companywide, so unless they try something brand new or try to target a different audience, RAW/SD it will also be stuck in the rut it is now. PG does not matter either. NXT works with PG. PG is actually helpful as it cuts down on a bunch of horrible gimmicky crap they used to pull.
The Incarnation
Member
Just needs 3 hours of Eden Stiles, Cody Rhodes wife. Problem solved.
VanquishUK
Member
Isn't this the case every week?
The only way to solve this is a reboot. A hard reset. I've said it in the wrassle thread, but it's easily done: Vince takes one to the head on accident, wakes up and thinks it's 1985. Resets the show format and they lean heavy on the camp. A lot of these current dudes show they have personality better than the character they've given, whenever they appear elsewhere. So play that into stuff like Fuji Vice for the new era, have jobber matches to make each dude look strong for their PPV opponent and don't let them touch each other until then, and put Vince back on commentary for awhile for kicks.
Simple. You're talking 30 shares globally, trust me.
Simple. You're talking 30 shares globally, trust me.
There's no face to ascend into the #1 spot right now.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
That's about when I stopped watching regularly after coming back for two or three years. I saw Summerslam and the last PPV and half-pay attention but I'be barely seen Raw in six months.
Wait there was a really good Raw or I heard about a really good Raw a month or so ago and I think I watched some of it on repeat. Then I watched some of the next one and it sucked again.
She is fine as hell! As far as I'm concerned Rusev and Cody are the real MVPs!
Acerac
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I've started watching WWE for the first time in a decade because of the New Day. I won't speak for the rest of the product, but New Day is entertaining as all get out.
There's no face to replace Cena as top face. And Cena already is a heel with how his character wins matches, so Cena would have to be comically evil to even get close to being acknowledged as one.
They're pretty hilarious together. Rollins felt the power of positivity on Smackdown this week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJ9vJ3TZAk&feature=share
On the bright side, they've been doing some good stuff with the WWE Network lately in terms of live event specials. Tonight for instance, they're doing a live event at Madison Square Garden and airing it exclusively on the Network:
WWE: Live from Madison Square Garden
Saturday October 3rd, 2015
8pm ET live on the WWE Network
Brock Lesnar vs. Big Show
Steel Cage Match for the WWE United States Title
Seth Rollins (c) vs. John Cena
WWE Tag Team Title Match
The Dudley Boyz vs. The New Day (c)
WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Chris Jericho vs. Kevin Owens (c)
Randy Orton vs. Sheamus
Dolph Ziggler vs. Rusev
* Appearances by Kane, Mark Henry, Stardust, Team Bella and more
This is exactly why their ratings are in the shitter.
I had free tickets to this and turned it down. Surprised Kane isn't in a triple threat main event.
That's true
What he did to the Nexus was comically evil.
Back and fighting for the title as well.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
that was more or less Vince using Cena as a stand in for poopin' on everyone's faces.
Seijuro
Member
If Cena is away for longer than one or two months you can bet a young man from Greenwich, Connecticut, is gonna start his feud with Rollins to "save" the main event.
Could have been Kevin Owens time, but as with anyone that isn't Cena or Brock they dropped the ball/storyline way to early. I still don't understand how, after all these years, they don't have long term plans for anyone BUT Cena.
The minute by minute in-ring-product is the best ever in WWEs history, but give the guys something to feud over and work with in the long run.
Could have been Kevin Owens time, but as with anyone that isn't Cena or Brock they dropped the ball/storyline way to early. I still don't understand how, after all these years, they don't have long term plans for anyone BUT Cena.
The minute by minute in-ring-product is the best ever in WWEs history, but give the guys something to feud over and work with in the long run.
Cena vs Michael Cole was also pretty evil.
Host Samurai
Member
I think the in ring product is actually at an all time low. The WWE style has become too choreographed me predictable. You know everyone will hit their big moves for the win and you can see the set ups from a mile away. It looks like they're not even trying.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBaREV0zVw
what could have been
one hour later the angle was ruined
what could have been
one hour later the angle was ruined
ryutaro's mama
Member
This thread has reminded me I need to cancel my autopilot WWE Network subscription,
Host Samurai
Member
Yeah they really should have waited another year for this invasion when Goldberg, Steiner and the NWO were available.
Biachoff too
Biachoff too
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