vaibhavpisal
Member
If it still is based on APU, I imagine they could do it. It doesn’t have to be 4090 equivalent. Something like 7900 xt level would suffice.
Paired up with upscaling and frame gen tech, I imagine it will go a long way.
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"Xbox Game Pass Standard" is launching in September
Paired up with upscaling and frame gen tech, I imagine it will go a long way.
Topher
Gold Member
Looks to me like Gamefly would be doing all the heavy lifting based on his list of games.
vaibhavpisal
Member
If I remember correctly, they were loosing $100 at launch per unit sold.
Adding another $100 on APU and cooling, I don’t think gains would be unsubstantial.
They could add another $100 as upfront profit.
Kings Field
Member
I was the type that always owned both consoles and favored Xbox due to friends being on that platform but there’s really no point in gamepass for me after it runs out next march.
In the last year I used it for Lies of P, TCM, and Hellblade 2 with the only great game being LOP which I’ll be double dipping on PS5 shortly. It would have been better if I just bought LOP and TCM and called it a day.
If they ever release a GOW collection or the next one is good I’ll just pay for it outright.
In the last year I used it for Lies of P, TCM, and Hellblade 2 with the only great game being LOP which I’ll be double dipping on PS5 shortly. It would have been better if I just bought LOP and TCM and called it a day.
If they ever release a GOW collection or the next one is good I’ll just pay for it outright.
bender
What time is it?
You aren't factoring in economies of scale. Cost per component is going to be more expensive the smaller your projected hardware runs are.
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Topher
Gold Member
Phil Spencer never said anything about Steam. He was asked about stores like itch.io and epic.
"Spencer mentioned his frustrations with closed ecosystems, so we asked for clarity. Could he really see a future where stores like Itch.io and Epic Games Store existed on Xbox? Was it just a matter of figuring out mountains of paperwork to get there?
“Yes,” said Spencer. “[Consider] our history as the Windows company. Nobody would blink twice if I said, ‘Hey, when you’re using a PC, you get to decide the type of experience you have [by picking where to buy games]. There’s real value in that.” Spencer believes console players would benefit from that freedom too — and so would console makers like Microsoft."
Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
Phil Spencer, the CEO of Microsoft Gaming, explained why he wants more stores — like Epic Games Store and Itch.io — on Xbox in Polygon’s interview during GDC 2024.
www.polygon.com
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I mean you could have actually looked up the price history on the very games you brought up...
But it's also pretty telling that you brought up Sony's smallest games this generation...
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Oh for sure I think that base NSO is the best deal in gaming for sure there’s so many games on all those platforms and they bring new ones out a handful at a time every quarter, and as you said they even add new games to it like the 99 series. Plus you have to have it in order to play anything online. and you get game trials as well, with full access to the games.
BigLee74
Member
Does PS allow you to play all online games without some kind of subscription?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
For his list of games sure, but there's digital only content like HB2 that I wouldn't be able to get via GF, until LRG or someone decides to put it out one or two years later like Hi-Fi Rush, which I wouldn't have been able to play in 2023 otherwise.
You can play F2P games like Fortnite on both PS and Xbox without their respective sub.
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Kokoloko85
Member
Dont know why this website mentions Steam then.Phil Spencer never said anything about Steam. He was asked about stores like itch.io and epic.
"Spencer mentioned his frustrations with closed ecosystems, so we asked for clarity. Could he really see a future where stores like Itch.io and Epic Games Store existed on Xbox? Was it just a matter of figuring out mountains of paperwork to get there?
“Yes,” said Spencer. “[Consider] our history as the Windows company. Nobody would blink twice if I said, ‘Hey, when you’re using a PC, you get to decide the type of experience you have [by picking where to buy games]. There’s real value in that.” Spencer believes console players would benefit from that freedom too — and so would console makers like Microsoft."
Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
Phil Spencer, the CEO of Microsoft Gaming, explained why he wants more stores — like Epic Games Store and Itch.io — on Xbox in Polygon’s interview during GDC 2024.
Phil Spencer Comments on PC Game Stores on Xbox
Xbox chief Phil Spencer shares his wish to bring PC game stores to console, giving players the freedom to choose where they buy their games from.
gamerant.com
In an interview with Polygon, Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer revealed his wish to bring down the closed ecosystem of consoles and introduce third-party storefronts, such as Steam, Epic Games Store, and Itch.io, to such platforms. When asked if these stores could exist on Xbox consoles in the future, he said “Yes,” likely fueling excitement among fans. Further, he highlighted that getting to choose where a player buys their game from is an advantage PC gaming offers over console gaming. He said, “Nobody would blink twice if I said, ‘Hey, when you’re using a PC, you get to decide the type of experience you have.' There’s real value in that.” However, he also admitted that such a move would require tackling a lot of paperwork.
Either way, it will probably happen if they are gonna do Epic.
Topher
Gold Member
Dont know why this website mentions Steam then.
Phil Spencer Comments on PC Game Stores on Xbox
Xbox chief Phil Spencer shares his wish to bring PC game stores to console, giving players the freedom to choose where they buy their games from.
In an interview with Polygon, Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer revealed his wish to bring down the closed ecosystem of consoles and introduce third-party storefronts, such as Steam, Epic Games Store, and Itch.io, to such platforms. When asked if these stores could exist on Xbox consoles in the future, he said “Yes,” likely fueling excitement among fans. Further, he highlighted that getting to choose where a player buys their game from is an advantage PC gaming offers over console gaming. He said, “Nobody would blink twice if I said, ‘Hey, when you’re using a PC, you get to decide the type of experience you have.' There’s real value in that.” However, he also admitted that such a move would require tackling a lot of paperwork.
Either way, it will probably happen if they are gonna do Epic.
To be fair, Spencer didn't mention any store by name. He was just asked about those two as examples. I think the main takeaway from all this is that the future of Xbox is going to be in the form of a PC, one way or another.
bender
What time is it?
I wouldn't have wasted my time with that game if it weren't for GPU. It's part of the reason I'm not re-upping my subscription once it is up in October.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
psst .. day 1 games aren't going anywhere. They're still doing day 1 games on PC and Ultimate.
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FewRope
Member
Microsoft truly did a huge PR campaign to drag Sony to the same level of suscription, kinda fucking insane in retrospective
Apologize.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Who cares what two fat people think.
For the consumer, us, it's still the greatest deal around.
7 years and people still bitter about its existence
bender
What time is it?
Still doing it but now with yearly price increases.
GHG
Gold Member
Phil says a lot of things.
You specifically said steamOS. Steam OS is a highly customised Linux distro.
You think they are going to throw Linux on a device that is Microsoft branded?
Fess
Member
Well I think the whole industry will move to streaming, if you look far enough into the future. Eventually some big dev will tap into power unreachable for local consumer hardware and then the snowball is rolling.
But we’re not there yet and Xbox as a brand is crumbling today. And you can’t brute force a future onto people with an unpopular brand. Google tried it with Stadia. I wish there could be some Ieak with scribbled notes hinting at their next step, right now everything is foggy.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I actually think we are on the same page. While gamepass exists and we are subbed we will wait to get MS games day one on the service. We will not buy games, and MS has nurtured this.
If gamepass went away, peeps would buy games again.
Simples
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Like most things, yes.
Who cares what two fat people think.
For the consumer, us, it's still the greatest deal around.
7 years and people still bitter about its existence
Yeah, it was a pretty daft comment.
Pretty much every game there was a $70 AAA title, and you’d be hard pressed to see anyone call HFW and Demon Souls ‘small games’.
But I made it clear discounts are delivered by all publishers not named Nintendo. Multiple times, for that matter.
Hard to argue that Xbox games have limited appeal when Sea of Thieves is selling very well as a late port.
Kokoloko85
Member
Killer8
Member
psst... at a 25% increased price.
They took day one games out of this Standard tier yet are charging the existing Ultimate price for it. A tacit admission by MS that the day one model didn't work at the $15 price point.
They also said they wouldn't lock COD behind a new tier, but have de facto done just that by shifting price goalposts and introducing this new tier below it.
Kokoloko85
Member
Yeah.
I just see the door opening to 3rd party jumping in with PC like “consoles” that play it all
BigLee74
Member
Guess what. You don’t need to subscribe and can go back to just buying games at anytime.
Subscription service prices go up. The cost of buying games goes up. Prices go up.
The new standard layer has been coming for a long time. I personally think they’ve got it exactly where they've always wanted it now.
If they can release 4 or 5 good day ones a year, then it’s probably still worth ultimate, but they’re definitely skirting with the line where a lot of folk will just drop down to core now.
Topher
Gold Member
Just because there isn't enough confusion.......if Xbox Game Pass Standard will become available "in the coming months" and Xbox Game Pass for console will no longer be available starting tomorrow, it seems new console gamers who want access to Game Pass games will be forced to subscribe to Game Pass Ultimate. Why the hell is it going to take months for Standard to be available?
Yep. As of today there is no option for Game Pass on console other than Game Pass Ultimate....
Play Day One with Xbox Game Pass | Xbox
Play new games the same day they release with Xbox Game Pass.
www.xbox.com
bender
What time is it?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
eh ?
$17 to $20 is not a 25% price increase.
Standard is $14.99
Ultimate was $16.99
It's not the same price ???
There's no new GP tier that locks CoD. They were technically right, the best kind of right.
2/3 of your points are just flat out wrong, the third is also partially wrong.
bender
What time is it?
You should be banned for using a Futurama quote to carry Phil's water.
kikii
Member
u can play FFXIV w/o PS+
Killer8
Member
I completely forgot that they increased prices last year for Ultimate from $15 to $17 (I use cheap yearly codes).
So yes, I was wrong. But the worst kind of wrong - because this is now the second price increase in 13 months. It shows what kind of trajectory the pricing is on.
Shall we come back in July 2025 when it inevitably rises again to $23... or $25?
MacReady13
Member
Can I just ask Xbots a simple question- why is this equation above so hard to not only understand but agree with? There is nothing at all false in the above statement. NOTHING. Why is it so hard to at least agree with? You don't have to like it but you cannot deny it is 100% the truth.
Arthimura
Member
I re-subscribed to Gamepass for Console on my Xbox Series X this month just to play Hellblade 2, since I find $50 to expensive for a game so short.
However the more I see the current catalogue and the price increasing, the less I think it's worth to subscribe to it. The games stay so little time in the catalogue and some of them are removed from the online store due to licensing issues; that I find better to just buy the games that I really intend to play instead of keeping a subscription forever.
However the more I see the current catalogue and the price increasing, the less I think it's worth to subscribe to it. The games stay so little time in the catalogue and some of them are removed from the online store due to licensing issues; that I find better to just buy the games that I really intend to play instead of keeping a subscription forever.
DannyDanger
Member
Jim Ryan is the goat....
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
laynelane
Member
This isn't about subscription services like PS Now, it's about Game Pass. We all know the history and we all know the differences in the sub services and how they were marketed. Or, in Game Pass' case, the sheer amount of lies from Phil and co. and the astroturfing from everyone else.
GHG
Gold Member
There is no version of steam on the windows store, so that would require them to put some form of vanilla windows on the box and make it accessible.
At which point it's no longer a console, that's a PC.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Not saying I think it will work for them in the end but do think its coming
If I were a betting man I am putting large sums of money on it as of today
Not an all in type of bet but a big one
my bet
Not saying I think it will work for them in the end but do think its coming
If I were a betting man I am putting large sums of money on it as of today
Not an all in type of bet but a big one
I can’t imagine it makes financial sense for them to do that, tbh. They’ve made tons of missteps so far, but that would certainly rank high among the dumbest things they could do.
We’ll see.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
They have dropped the ball left and right and adding a way to sideload Steam could likely be very stupid so it makes perfect sense they want to attempt it
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
I’m tired of all this blah blah when we don’t even know if the games are worth a $20 rental. I’d say Hellblade 2 was barely worth the $17 rental for people.