Absolutely not. From my experience, ask people to keep it down... and they will. Most people are very reasonable when you ask nicely.
I called in a party to the RA, police showed up
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Absolutely not. From my experience, ask people to keep it down... and they will. Most people are very reasonable when you ask nicely.
See fuck shit like this. I just threw the superbowl party myself (no booze, of course) and called it my monthly event. Killed two birds with one stone (the other being diverting people away from loud parties elsewhere in the dorms) and I got plenty of people to show because what college kid is turning down free pizza, chips/dip, and whatever other munchies I had going down there.
Professor Beef
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TIL you can have a party and not give a shit about noise complaints.
The Librarian
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I think Otaku definitely should have asked them first before going to the RA.
GremlinFool
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Let it all out.
You're a very cynical guy.
Good point. Its (usually) always a good idea to ask politely first. Only time I'd really say otherwise would be if you felt unsafe.
Yes, please keep telling me how I didn't do my job when you have no inkling into everything that goes into being an RA.
-- That's ok man, you're doing a pretty good job at broadcasting how little you did by yourself.
Why the hell else would he be there?
People don't go in thinking "I'm going to do this for the good of my fellow man!". No fucking way. People do it to help save money because of the outrageous amount of cash college costs.
It's not some line of work where you're doing it to make a difference, they aren't police or firefighters or army men. It's something you do to save money while getting through school.
Congratulations on getting babied all through college, hope it prepared you well for the real world.
So the RAs with the power trips?
That's actually a rather popular sentiment among college students. "Don't snitch, you aren't as important as our fun, put on headphones or something. Who sleeps at this time anyway?"
I think the prevailing sentiment among half of the people in this thread however is that the OP should have gone to the party directly first and asked them to quiet down and that the RAs overreacted. I personally think that's presumptuously assuming the party goers would be sober or friendly enough to be respectful. We can't assume anything about them either way. In any event I think the RAs overreacted, but all this holier-than-thou fluff about telling the OP he's a pansy/snitch is uncalled for.
EDIT: Not that OP seems to be very perturbed by anything in this thread. He's apparently going about his daily life just fine while everyone's in here bickering.
Professor Beef
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Fuck that. If I'm in a dorm and you interrupt my sleep, you're goddamn right I'm gonna try and stop the party.
-- I was in the Marines before college. Maybe you should look at your own lazy ass.
Freaky Fred
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laid back doesn't mean lazy
Doing your job and enforcing policies already in place means you have a power trip?
Conor_Fool
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Which is completely reasonable. But instead of being a child about it, maybe you should confront the people bothering you before tattling to the RA. If they keep being inconsiderate assholes then by all means get someone of authority involved.
Um, please don't speak for me if you know nothing about me. I only did it for as many years as I did because it was a very enjoyable job where I got to interact with a multitude of different people well learning a lot about myself and the very different world views from a lot of the people I had to deal with on a regular basis.
Ah, I was unaware being in the marines allowed you to tell me how to do my job when, again, you know absolutely zilch about it.
He mentioned his roommate banged on the wall first. Ain't the most polite warning, but should've told the party-goers that they should quiet down.
Lamel
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Generally, people aren't having parties in the dorms at 2 AM, you go to a frat house or some other party location; that was a pretty dumbass move by the people who threw the party and they should have braced for the worse.
You shouldn't necessarily feel guilty or anything, what you did was justified; I also doubt the RA straight up called the cops, maybe they got other complaints too.
You shouldn't necessarily feel guilty or anything, what you did was justified; I also doubt the RA straight up called the cops, maybe they got other complaints too.
To play a bit of devil's advocate, everybody suggesting the OP should have confronted a room full of people by himself and asked them to keep the noise down on a Saturday night should know that would have only made it worse for him. As much as people want to believe everyone is going to be receptive to someone interrupting like that, the guys next door could have turned up the noise as retaliation or simply not given a fuck and carried on. Chances of them keeping the volume low and abiding the OP's hypothetical request were practically zero.
The OP should have not done anything, or seen if he could crash with a friend down the hall or something. Direct confrontation in a situation like this sounds nice, but the OP would have gotten shit for the rest of the semester and been miserable. He still might if the guys who were next door suspect he called the RA.
The OP should have not done anything, or seen if he could crash with a friend down the hall or something. Direct confrontation in a situation like this sounds nice, but the OP would have gotten shit for the rest of the semester and been miserable. He still might if the guys who were next door suspect he called the RA.
Dude Abides
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Nope. A housing agreement can certainly contain a valid waiver of 4th Amendment rights for searches in furtherance of health and safety.
Fatal Futanari
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Lol you are so adamant about this. I know what I signed. And that last part of your statement...alot of private universities actually do lol.
Four RAs and cops is just procedure when dealing with a stubborn incident like the OP's, especially if there is underage drinking. Its to have more witnesses on their side encase something happens and for the safety of the RAs
I seriously don't believe the very first thing you considered when thinking about taking the job wasn't about saving money. The things you listed can definitely be perks, but they sure don't sound like perks someone going right into the job would consider. They sound like ones realized after fondly looking back at the experience.
The selling point of the job is that you don't have to pay for expensive shit. Can you really say it isn't?
And could you justify the example we are talking about into either of those categories? I know you know your stuff so I'm curious, every police officer at my school felt they couldn't justify it for something like this. Remember, we just have noise complaints here, no indication of anyone black-out drunk or anything like that.
It was a good item on the list but it wasn't top of the list. I was lucky enough to be in a place in my life where money was no object when it came to schooling, all I did was end up saving the government some money on grants.
Suspicion of alcohol in a restricted area would definitely fulfill that clause IMHO.
How? It's neither a health or safety concern. It's illegal but that doesn't affect health or safety.
Alcohol's more dangerous than pot, which is an illegal substance in most states and cause for K-9 sniff searches on cars. I don't claim to be the voice of the law, but they probably interpret it in much the same way.
So, if you are drinking in your house, the police have the right to walk in and check up on you because you might have too much to drink?
boiled goose
good with gravy
Saturday night? Lame.... How about you let others have fun next time?
That said, I am surprised the police was called. The RA should have just shut down the party for being noisy. If he didn't see overt use of alcohol, then it should have just ended there. If he tried to reason with them but they did not listen.. then well, his hands were tied.
That said, I am surprised the police was called. The RA should have just shut down the party for being noisy. If he didn't see overt use of alcohol, then it should have just ended there. If he tried to reason with them but they did not listen.. then well, his hands were tied.
MIPs, MIPs for all. They'll be fine OP unless they have had other issues with the school.
Also if it's a dry campus, like my alma mater The University of Colorado, if you get caught with alcohol in the dorms it's instant probation and then a second time is suspension. That's just the school. If the police are involved, and you're caught under 21 you're getting an MIP and community service, over 21 possibly a providing alcohol to minors which I know CU has expelled students for. It'll depend on how the cops are feeling that night.
Also if it's a dry campus, like my alma mater The University of Colorado, if you get caught with alcohol in the dorms it's instant probation and then a second time is suspension. That's just the school. If the police are involved, and you're caught under 21 you're getting an MIP and community service, over 21 possibly a providing alcohol to minors which I know CU has expelled students for. It'll depend on how the cops are feeling that night.
Fatal Futanari
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LOL yes it is!
A private home no, but if it's a dorm on university property and the university has granted police access via fulfillment of that condition/suspicion of alcohol in an alcohol-free zone then yeah.
Responsible drinking very rarely manifests itself in a way that present a health or safety concern.
There's usually little safety concern over a half dozen people in a dorm room, drinking beer, which is why most RAs wouldn't really bring fire and brimstone down on that scenario.
People drinking in the privacy of their own living quarters is neither a health or safety concern. Millions do it everyday and I don't see the police kicking in doors, gangbangers style, making sure that everyone is ok.
This leads back to the beginning of the whole debate. You have a certain set of rights when within your living space and how that space can be treated by outside forces. The university agrees to give you that space during the time of your lease with them and they can't make rules that infringe on those rights.
Your idea of a party isn't what occurred. Sounds like it was 4 friends in a dorm room playing music a little too loudly and having a good time. People don't usually have get-togethers and plan on the cops showing up when they're just socializing. OP or someone else in the suite should have grown a pair and asked them in-person to keep it down.
We don't know how big the party was or what the noise was, only that it was noisy.
Jeez. I hope you just haven't attended college yet and are too young to understand it. If not then you must've been a peach to room with in college. I can't believe there are people like you out there lol. There's nothing wrong with drinking in your dorm room with friends. It's called socializing...
Fatal Futanari
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It is for a university. Especially in a dry dorm.
Lol already graduated. Was in a fraternity and drank alot. I think you need to read my replies before saying something. My argument is from a purely university admin perspective. Of course I know social drinking isnt going to do any damage. Sorian keeps bring up legality so that's what I am arguing about.
I'm not a law major man. Lol. We'll need a lawyer on this or something. I suppose we can do research on this particular tidbit? The police would certainly know where their rights to search lie. A noise complaint- that's nothing. Suspicion of alcohol is another. At my university if a party is held on-campus an officer has to be there to verify the legal age of anyone going in to drink, and it cannot be in dorms. You seem to be arguing from a constitutional standpoint, but that's a rather far rabbit hole to go down than I care to follow. I think many a lawmaker would disagree with you there, and some would agree. You may have hit a controversial point with this.
The location of where you decided to drink does not change how dangerous it is. You don't seem to understand what a health and safety concern is. The provision is there for things like suicide threats which I also dealt with on occasion. That is now an actual health and safety issue and, in the case of my school, a group of two RAs would immediately key into the room after a knock announcing our arrival.
You're assuming a lot of different things with this post. The line I quoted in particular is pure speculation, based on not a whole lot of anything.
Asking people to keep the noise down isn't a big deal. And if you're concerned about them doing things to get back at him, calling the cops on them when he didn't even try to talk to them first will piss them off a lot more than just asking them to quiet down.
Most campuses aren't dry. Most colleges also don't frown upon drinking in dorms and having get-togethers so long as everyone is of age.
Speaking of which; pretty pumped my one class got cancelled for Tuesday. Gonna play some music in the quad while grilling and play some pong with everyone. Gotta love St. Patrick's day.
Depends on the university, the location, etc. All universities are not the same.
That's kind of why I want Dude to give me some of his insight on this one, he is a lawyer. I'm mostly just parroting what every single officer on our police force told me during my days there as an RA. I'm sure they know way better than you or I.
Edit: You just have to remember, regardless of the institutions own rules and all that, they still fall under federal guidelines and all of that. No one can just be walking right into your place without your permission or a really good reason.
My uni had an explicit policy where they didn't care if you drank in the privacy of your dorm as long as you didn't repeatedly disrupt anyone or do anything flagrant. And upon violation they would handle it internally first.
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