Fatal Futanari
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I know...again...read my replies. *sigh*
I called in a party to the RA, police showed up
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I know...again...read my replies. *sigh*
flyinpiranha
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Dick move on St Pattys day weekend, but to each his own.
I think the crux of it all comes down to what constitutes a good reason. Specifically for a university campus which can either be state or private, and whether any laws written for them apply to the dorms which are on that property. I'm not knowledgeable enough about that to have a good debate on it.
Yeah, the argument was to confront the people being loud like an adult then escalate the situation if needed.
Don't feel bad, the cops getting called is on the RA, not you. I was an RA and I would never have called the police unless there was a threat of violence or something really out of control.
Drunk dudes partying at 2am won't listen to one of their neighbors. You kind of need someone to back you up in this case. It was likely after quiet hours anyway.
Fatal Futanari
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Yep.
The OP didn't do anything wrong IMO. We don't know the nature of the party goers so all we have to go on is that they were loud, had alcohol, and he, his roommate, and at least one other person in the dorm were disturbed by it. All he did was inform the RA. The rest is on them.
My experience with asking people to be quiet was that they continued to be loud and taped a passive aggressive note to my door the next day with some ear plugs (more detail in this post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=104576202&postcount=183), so I don't blame him for not wanting to confront them. I'd do the same thing he did.
The main speculation is that the guys who were drinking next door would have been receptive to one person knocking and asking them to keep the noise down while they were having a good time on St. Patty's Day. I would imagine some people here have been on the receiving end of noise complaints in that situation and thought the person complaining was being too sensitive or unreasonable, or otherwise spoiling the fun. I have.
Plus, you selectively quoted my post to make it seem as if I advocated the OP calling the RA, which I clearly didn't.
My point is simple - not really worth the risk of doing anything in that situation regardless of whether the noise was unreasonable or not. Parties happen in college. Stick out the night and forget about it afterward.
How would you know that if you didn't try? What's up with people thinking these kids were blackout and rabid for chaos? Confront them. It was 2 AM. Not late by my definition for a Saturday, but if you're trying to sleep then ask them to keep it down. There's no reason to burden the RA and potentially ruin these kid's college careers because you can't act like an adult and solve your own problems.
I really doubt their college lives are over just because the party ended abruptly. They knew they shouldn't have had alcohol in a no-alcohol zone, they should be prepared for any potential consequences. Also just as we shouldn't assume they were wicked drunk and unreasonable, we shouldn't assume they were going to be amicable either. No assumptions. Lastly we shouldn't assume the the RAs were 'burdened', if they were then they wouldn't have called the cops.
There has to be threat of someone dying. That's what I mean by really good reason, short of that, the school needs to get a warrant just like in the real world.
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Exactly, "confronting" isn't walking over there in a big ole huff looking to start shit.
You can easily knock on the door; be charming, friendly and just make sure they are aware how loud their party is.
I think many lawmakers, police, and universities would disagree with you there, and others wouldn't. Again I'm in no position to argue it either way.
I'm not really trying to convince you anymore because at this point we've hit an impasse that we would need a lawyer or a judge to really make a call on but you don't think it's odd that you are basically saying someone can walk into your place of residence without your consent just based on a suspician?
andthebeatgoeson
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Stubborn? I would have turned it down the minute one RA showed up. These guys weren't just stubborn.
They weren't opening the door to allow the RAs in, nobody cared about the noise at that point, the RAs were trying too hard to bust them for alcohol.
If it was on university property then it really isn't -my- residence IMO, more of a rental space, much like how people rent out parts of their house to students near colleges. I'm not arguing my own point of view, I'm trying to see it from, say, a university's or a police officer's point of view, and playing devil's advocate because this is something I'm interested in learning more about. I think if the suspicion has evidence, like smell (the major reason for K-9 searches of marijuana), then that would be cause, but again I think the RAs overreacted in the OP's case.
I'm pretty sure you can't think of it as someone renting a room in your house while you still live there, you have to think of it as leasing an apartment from a privately owned apartment complex. Two totally different sets of laws since, in the first, obviously you have more leeway in moving around the house since it is your residence as well. K-9 searches are another difficult beast to compare because a K-9 unit reacting to a smell only gives probable cause which has different uses in different circumstances. It would help in getting the warrant needed to search a residence or locked car if the owner is unwilling to give consent and it would give a police officer the ability to make an arrest.
Talking to an RA was acting like an adult.
It's a dorm party, you can only fit so many people in a dorm room. It would be very easy to quiet down a "party" of 6-7 people. You have absolutely no idea whether they would have or not, you are straight-up assuming they would just ignore the request.
captmorgan
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What the fuck does this mean? He went to the RA and they decided to call the cops. If he was acting like "an adult" he would have just called the cops himself.
When I lived in an apartment when my neighbors had a party till 2:00am I just called the landlord and had them evicted.
Why is it on the OP to go over there and confront them? He hasn`t done anything wrong. Why didnt the party people knock on every ones door and ask if it was alright to have a party?
Why am I doubting that you calling your landlord is the sole reason your neighbors were evicted?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Cold blooded cot dam lol
Ninja Scooter
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2:00am is over the line. That's when parties should be winding down and people should be going home. I don't see why someone who shows no courtesy in having a party that late would expect some in return by having their neighbors ask them nicely to turn it down rather than calling the cops. If you want to party your balls off go buy a house. If you live in a dorm/apartment then not making excessive noise comes with the territory.
Bullshit. There are plenty of colleges on the quarter system, like mine. I have finals this week and I'd be pissed I couldn't stay awake during the final because I was being kept up by a party.
SquiddyCracker
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Snitches get stitches.
apparently you don't know what usually means
that's when you go to the RA for help
your assumption that these people are reckless assholes who will make his life a living hell for wanting some quiet time is really off base.
CarpeDeezNutz
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I have a good friend who throws a party once a year, he goes around and asks each neighbor if it's ok for him to have loud music blaring for that night (I'm the one who djs and my system is really loud). Never had the cops called on us and we usually go until 3 am. Would this have been avoided if the partier's asked the other dorm room tenants beforehand?
What I am asking is, would everybody be cool with a party close to them if they were asked beforehand to prepare for it?
What I am asking is, would everybody be cool with a party close to them if they were asked beforehand to prepare for it?
Good for you, it's not finals week in this story so moot point.
It depends, I'm pretty sure this "party" was like 8 people at most who were all drinking beer with some music on in the background. Freshmen + alcohol = steady rise in volume throughout the night. This was probably a spontaneous thing and even if it wasn't I don't know how smart it would be to alert all of your neighbors that you don't know that you are going to be doing something illegal later.
Riposte
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Spending too much time considering some minor consequences that have nothing to do with you. Talking to the RA was probably the most efficient way to get a good night sleep (that you seem to have wasted posting on GAF) and the job of a RA is not your responsibility. It was a bad idea to even make a thread about it because now you are spending energy reading people calling you a loser or not an adult over something you shouldn't even care about.
CarpeDeezNutz
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You make a good point, in my scenario they knew we would be getting loud but I can see someone saying it would be a chill party.
this seems like the most neighborly approach. but young college kids looking to get wasted don't usually think so much. maybe after this incident they'll learn something...or they maybe they'll not accept any responsibility and blame everyone else for not being cool.
CarbonRevenge
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When you live in a dorm like mine where there's VERY thin walls and like 30 or more people per floor then it's very easy to hear other stuff down the hall if it's loud and people aren't considering the fact that others are trying to sleep. My university has a policy on quiet hours and if you break em then you get written up and potentially other things. Even worse if your RA catches you with alcohol in the building and they have to call the cops to check to see if you're of age.
I'd have a party in a dorm if it was more secluded and the chance of people caring is low.
I'd have a party in a dorm if it was more secluded and the chance of people caring is low.
I don't understand this, why are they calling the cops to see if you are of age. They can do that themselves.
The Artful Dodger
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Probably a liability thing.
I did it when I was an RA. They only thing that was liability was we couldn't touch any of their alcohol. We had to have them dump it all down the drain and then I made them carry all the empty stuff out to the dumpster with me.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Without asking, everyone should have at least a one strike policy.
Top of the page I should also say not everyone has the charisma, body strength or just overall coolness to tell people when they are frustrated about being kept up so OP was not in the wrong about what he did.
When we throw our parties we ask people beforehand though.
Top of the page I should also say not everyone has the charisma, body strength or just overall coolness to tell people when they are frustrated about being kept up so OP was not in the wrong about what he did.
When we throw our parties we ask people beforehand though.
It's college, they have, at least, a 4 strike policy before anything serious happen.
God Dayumm
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The OP just called one RA. His action was reasonable. That more RAs had to get involved and call the police means something escalated. Parties are supposed to be fun, not aggresive
CarpeDeezNutz
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Sorian I do not disagree with I just think people can talk beforehand about our party plans... By the way I am going to get it loud tonight is it cool breh?
The RAs that waited outside our door to knock one minute past quiet hours were on a power trip.
The RAs that lied and said they heard bottles clanking from the hall and raided the room my freshmen year were on a power trip.
The RAs that would write someone up who got a cab home from a bar and walking back to their form for being publicity intoxicated were on power trips.
So yes. Many RAs I've known have been on power trips. My wife used to tell me about the meetings. Some of them would get so excited about writing people up.
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