Wii Titles (SMG2, Metroid Prime trilogy and Punch Out!) Announced for Wii U eShop

Papacheeks said:
Not everyone in here is excited they are straight port's. Not everyone is exited that they can't play the game control wise like they want to.

I never said people couldn't be happy about re-releasing the games on digital store. Go re-read some of my post's, I clearly make positive notes that I think it's s great opportunity to revisit the game , or play it for the first time if you never owned a Wii.

But the fact this announcement came from Nintendo DIrect and people are excited to play SD port's, when you can look at Wind waker HD, just doesn't equal how excited people are in this thread.
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Okay, so you are just thread whining. I’m sorry people aren’t at the acceptable level of excitement for you. If you read through most of the thread, as I have, you’ll notice that the thing people are most excited about is the price and availability of games that were very hard to find and very expensive, especially outside of the US.


Papacheeks said:
Some people actually are not as ECSTATIC as you and the rest of people in this thread. And many agree that the announcement would have been more worth while if they gave dates for a release schedule for HD remaster's of these games.

People are making a big deal out of something that's getting a 19.99 Wii U retail print.
Would be a bigger deal if these games were getting 29.99 retail release and were redone HD.
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Yeah, but you are assuming that if Nintendo did hd remasters, they’d charge $29.99 which has not been the case so far, or that it would even be worth Nintendo’s time to remaster a game and try to sell it for less than $50. What you are saying is that you want more for less. Sure, me too! Hey Nintendo, I love what you are doing with these SD Wii games, but could you remaster them in HD and give them away for free? I can’t believe everyone is excited about remastered games for $29.99 when Nintendo should make them 4K resolution and release them for $5! I hope I’ve illustrated the problem here. I’m just excited to finally be able to play MPT at a reasonable price. I already own and have played through Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 on my Wii U and the games still play wonderfully and look fine in SD.

Nintendo is doing something different than the competition right now by offering good games in their original state at reasonable prices, just like how SNES and N64 games aren’t remastered to higher resolutions. Yes, again, we’d all like remasters, but the people you are whining about in the thread are the kinds of people that are happy that these aren’t priced like HD games. You even mentioned how unfair you thought it was that people were happy with Nintendo’s choices with re-releasing older games while people are in other remaster threads are complaining, and there is some kind of double standard with Nintendo games. Maybe, just maybe, people are happy to pay $10 to $20 for a great game in standard definition than they were to pay $50 for an HD remaster because HD remasters require actual resources from the company to release.



Papacheeks said:
I just don't see how people can be so happy for SD port's that may or may-not support the original or new control schemes for them.

Regardless of the first week price.

I could see people getting pissed me included if Sony relased Uncharted 2, Tools of destruction, Infamous, God of war 3 on PSN store, with all the same problems some of them had, with no improvments, or even trophy support.

Just straight ported games that are 9.99 for the first week on PSN, when you look at the Last of Us with INCLUDED dlc, Graphical upgrade and running at 60fps for 49.99.
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Wait, let me get this straight. You don’t know how someone could be happy getting Metroid Prime Trilogy for $10? You don’t see how that’s an exceptional deal? The market values the game at over $50 USED. The market puts a brand new copy of the game at over $100.

People are, obviously, excited enough the play the game that they will spend as much for a used copy of the game as they would a new copy. People are so excited to play MPT that they’ve made the game prohibitively expensive for SD copies of the game. This just blew out the used market for the game and made it a reasonable price for everyone that wants to play it.

TLOU at $50 was something people complained vocally about. People were upset at the price and the fact that Sony spent time and resources rereleasing a game form a previous generation. These games are both cheap AND require nearly zero work from Nintendo. Often, you get what you pay for, and at $20, SD is fine. At $10, this is one of the best deals since the Orange Box.
 
ExReey said:
I was just asking because of this:

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No mention of a nunchuk.
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Almost legit lol'd in class looking at that pic. No idea why.
 
Archaix said:
It's more demanding and less accurate than a button press, and rather than putting up with it I decided not to play the game because it's terrible design (Mario Galaxy is the only game I managed to finish that used this control method, every other game including Galaxy 2 it wasn't worth putting up with). I rented the game to try it out, it was terrible, and I returned it. I didn't buy a classic controller because I had no interest in paying Nintendo more money for failing to include a competent control option with their system, I just stopped spending money on the Wii instead.

edit: I just looked it up and DKR didn't even support the classic controller, so that doesn't seem to be an option even if I wanted to reward Nintendo for packing in the worst controller in console history.
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Am I thinking the nunchuck & wii remote combo then? I guess I must be, my bad. Wii remote sideways, there just aren't enough buttons. Was shake required for the nunchuck combo?
 
No pro controller support is a bummer, hopefully they add support later. I already own most Wii games that I want to play so I'm not getting any of these but I would spend $10 on Xenoblade if I could play with the pro controller assuming it shows up at some point.
 
Should we make a OT for this re-release? Since this is technically VC and i'd like to give my impressions when I buy it tonight
 
Now I can finally finish prime 1 and 2! I got both on their GameCube launch days but cannot finish because I hate playing shooters on controllers. And for 10 bucks, it's a steal!
 
Def Jukie said:
No pro controller support is a bummer, hopefully they add support later. I already own most Wii games that I want to play so I'm not getting any of these but I would spend $10 on Xenoblade if I could play with the pro controller assuming it shows up at some point.
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Kinda doubt that. We have it coming out for the 3ds then we have X this year also.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
Don't be ridiculous.
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The only ridiculous thing he said is the word "objective." It's nearly universally considered a better control scheme. I remember most of the reviews at the time said that the game was much better with Wii mote aiming because the gamecube didn’t use the dual joystick method as many modern shooters do today.
 
SCReuter said:
That was such a silly decision. What the heck was Next Level thinking?
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Honestly, it was probably Nintendo's fault. I don't see NLG being the one responsible for that, it just seems like Nintendo probably said "you need to use the Wii Remote more" like they did with Retro Studios and Donkey Kong Country Returns.

Dreamwriter said:
It is, because it's similar to mouse/keyboard - you can turn and aim much more quickly with Wii Remote than with dual analogue
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It's not objectively better. Not everyone enjoys having to aim with motion controls, as evident by the poster who sits in disagreement with MPT's fans.
 
Quick question, these still boot into Wii mode, correct? They just don't take you to the Wii menu? If so does this mean in the near future we'll be able to use the Gamepad as a classic controller for Wii games that we own on disc and virtual console games?
 
SCReuter said:
That was such a silly decision. What the heck was Next Level thinking?
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This is Wii equivalent of, say, Flower enforcing regular style controls in menu. The pointing is not supposed to be a gimmick, but a core feature (and honestly it doesn't work that bad).

Nobody right then thought about nerds carrying their Wiis without sensor bars and using Preloader, or about futre hardware making stuff weirder.
 
stan423321 said:
This is Wii equivalent of, say, Flower enforcing regular style controls in menu. The pointing is not supposed to be a gimmick, but a core feature (and honestly it doesn't work that bad).

Nobody right then thought about nerds carrying their Wiis without sensor bars and using Preloader, or about futre hardware making stuff weirder.
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What? The pointer controls have no value whatsoever to the experience. All it does is make you switch the way you hold the remote in between gameplay for no sensible reason at all.
 
Has anyone here managed to buy Mario Galaxy 2 off the website? I noticed that the Canadian Buy Now button works but there isn't one on the US site :(. Is there a work around for this?
 
Michanical said:
The only ridiculous thing he said is the word "objective." It's nearly universally considered a better control scheme. I remember most of the reviews at the time said that the game was much better with Wii mote aiming because the gamecube didn’t use the dual joystick method as many modern shooters do today.
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No really, it's objectively better in the same way mouse/kb is objectively better than dual analog.
The way the games are made good luck playing and finishing the SMG games without the wiimote.
Just imagine taking on the bosses of MP3 with anything but a mouse or a wiimote is pretty painful already.
It's as silly as people wanting to play Elite Beat Agent without the touchscreen.
And lol at MPT not being worth it at 10bucks.
What do you want free booze and unlimited cash?
 
Fatalmephisto said:
Has anyone here managed to buy Mario Galaxy 2 off the website? I noticed that the Canadian Buy Now button works but there isn't one on the US site :(. Is there a work around for this?
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I didn't have the option in the US before I went home for lunch and downloaded it from the eShop directly.
 
stan423321 said:
This is Wii equivalent of, say, Flower enforcing regular style controls in menu. The pointing is not supposed to be a gimmick, but a core feature (and honestly it doesn't work that bad).

Nobody right then thought about nerds carrying their Wiis without sensor bars and using Preloader, or about futre hardware making stuff weirder.
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Maybe you never played Punch Out but there is zero reason for the pointer controls. They're actually an annoyance more than they're helpful and completely unnecessary. That they never included a way to play it without pointer controls was kind of dumb, really.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
Don't be ridiculous.
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Nothing ridiculous about that, dual analog controls are fucking awful and they only worked decently in Prime 1 'cause its control scheme (harshly criticized back then) meant you couldn't move and turn around while aiming. Prime 3 would be horrible with a classic controller and pointer controls make for even better gameplay mechanics in Trilogy's Prime and Echoes. Pointer controls are objectively superior to dual analog as a control method for first person shooters, if you find it uncomfortable then that's another matter and understandable but falls under your own preference umbrella, like keyboard and mouse aren't everybody's cup of tea doesn't make them NOT objectively the bat way to play FPS games.

Facts > your preference
 
Dash Kappei said:
Nothing ridiculous about that, dual analog controls are fucking awful and they only worked decently in Prime 1 'cause its control scheme (harshly criticized back then) meant you couldn't move and turn around while aiming. Prime 3 would be horrible with a classic controller and pointer controls make for even better gameplay mechanics in Trilogy's Prime and Echoes. Pointer controls are objectively superior to dual analog as a control method for first person shooters, if you find it uncomfortable then that's another matter and understandable but falls under your own preference umbrella, like keyboard and mouse aren't everybody's cup of tea doesn't make them NOT objectively the bat way to play FPS games.

Facts > your preference
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1. Metroid Prime was designed with those controls in mind.

2. Motion controls are not better for people who have problems with motion controls due to problems with fatigue. Though for some reason physical problems that make motion controls ruin the experience are preference, while wanting motion controls is "a desire for the factually best control layout" and clearly not a preference in and of itself.

3. Don't be ridiculous.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
What? The pointer controls have no value whatsoever to the experience. All it does is make you switch the way you hold the remote in between gameplay for no sensible reason at all.
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Bullshit.

Metroid Prime Trilogy benefits hugely from the Wii controls.

Don't be ridiculous yourself. You are in a minority with your opinion as the critical response and fan outlook of MPT proves.
 
Blunoise said:
wait! sin and punishment and pandoras tower are coming!!!!!!!! i never got to play those
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Holy fuck you're in for a treaty my friend.
Definitely TOP5 Wii's library material, one of the best games of the whole gen imo.

MikeyB said:
Objectively doesn't mean what you think it does. For something to be objectively true, it's truth value must be independent of any subjective judgments. You haven't shown that to be the case.
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Exactly.
Put a competitive player using dual analog controls against another using pointer.
The outcome = objectively superior.

Then you can not like them, like I'm not a fan of kb+m (but recognize they're objectively superior), 'cause of preference ("fatigue" or whatever), but that wasn't what we were discussing in the first place.

You assert Metroid Prime would be horrible with classic controllers. You assert that pointer controls are better. At no point do you explain how these assertions are not based on your opinion (or "preference umbrella").

Without setting out some kind of objective aesthetics of gaming, quality of control schemes and games in general are personal judgements, regardless of whether there is universal or near-universal agreement.

In any case, it's a good deal for a great set of games that I can't stand playing because I find motion controls obnoxious.
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No, I said Metroid Prime 3 would be.
Obviously an exaggeration, still a wonderful game, but no doubt it would have been inferior.
Like Metroid Prime's platforming, "thanks" to its control scheme, is inferior to MP3.
Like MP's simple shooting gameplay (let's cling to everything lock-on mechanics) is inferior to MP3.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
2. Motion controls are not better for people who have problems with motion controls due to problems with fatigue. Though for some reason physical problems that make motion controls ruin the experience are preference, while wanting motion controls is "a desire for the factually best control layout" and clearly not a preference in and of itself.
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How good controls are is not determined by the fatigue of those operating them. If, for example, Guitar Hero gives me wrist pain after lengthy play, does guitar hero have bad controls, or do I have a personal problem that is preventing me from using the controls as intended?
 
Michanical said:
you’ll notice that the thing people are most excited about is the price and availability of games that were very hard to find and very expensive, especially outside of the US.




Yeah, but you are assuming that if Nintendo did hd remasters, they’d charge $29.99 which has not been the case so far, or that it would even be worth Nintendo’s time to remaster a game and try to sell it for less than $50. What you are saying is that you want more for less. Sure, me too! Hey Nintendo, I love what you are doing with these SD Wii games, but could you remaster them in HD and give them away for free? I can’t believe everyone is excited about remastered games for $29.99 when Nintendo should make them 4K resolution and release them for $5! I hope I’ve illustrated the problem here. I’m just excited to finally be able to play MPT at a reasonable price. I already own and have played through Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 on my Wii U and the games still play wonderfully and look fine in SD.

Nintendo is doing something different than the competition right now by offering good games in their original state at reasonable prices, just like how SNES and N64 games aren’t remastered to higher resolutions. Yes, again, we’d all like remasters, but the people you are whining about in the thread are the kinds of people that are happy that these aren’t priced like HD games. You even mentioned how unfair you thought it was that people were happy with Nintendo’s choices with re-releasing older games while people are in other remaster threads are complaining, and there is some kind of double standard with Nintendo games. Maybe, just maybe, people are happy to pay $10 to $20 for a great game in standard definition than they were to pay $50 for an HD remaster because HD remasters require actual resources from the company to release.





Wait, let me get this straight. You don’t know how someone could be happy getting Metroid Prime Trilogy for $10? You don’t see how that’s an exceptional deal? The market values the game at over $50 USED. The market puts a brand new copy of the game at over $100.

People are, obviously, excited enough the play the game that they will spend as much for a used copy of the game as they would a new copy. People are so excited to play MPT that they’ve made the game prohibitively expensive for SD copies of the game. This just blew out the used market for the game and made it a reasonable price for everyone that wants to play it.

TLOU at $50 was something people complained vocally about. People were upset at the price and the fact that Sony spent time and resources rereleasing a game form a previous generation. These games are both cheap AND require nearly zero work from Nintendo. Often, you get what you pay for, and at $20, SD is fine. At $10, this is one of the best deals since the Orange Box.
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Wii hardware is similar in architecture to the Wii U, it wouldn't cost that much to get a HD remaster's, Wind Waker HD was great but actually could have sold for 29.99 to 39.99.
If they wanted too over see it, they could get a third party group to do their remaster's like Sony did. It would alleviate current internal dev's to focus on the new games they are making.

I agree with the price for an SD game, but with a little extra effort could have a bigger impact, and make it more worth while for people to revisit. I can't find HD component cables for my Gamecube, so I used Dolphin emulator which makes it look 100 times better than HD upscaling 720p. It made revisiting those games that much more enjoyable. The fact that Dolphin is so huge with up-scaling Wii games shows people want HD remaster's of those games.

I'm happy for those who are happy on being able to play the games again. But the games and the Nintendo user's deserve better. Especially being able to play the game with just the Pro controller would be great, as some controls now are not as intuitive as they were when they first released.
After seeing people have a blast with Mario Kart, and SMash just using Gamcube adapter's and pro controller's, why not include that in these re releases.

To your last of Us comment, I could see people having issues with it at 50, but when you looked at what it was still selling for on PS3 with DLC that had released recently, it's not far fetched that the positive on that outweighed the negative.
And the HD remaster looked fantastic, better looking models, higher textures, better frame rate, plus DLC, and revamped multiplayer for 49 bucks.

These games don't need a lot, updated or optional control scheme, HD resolution, and maybe some anti aliasing would me these great to own for 29.99. Would not take alot of make these HD, unlike Wind waker's scenario which was much old outdated hardware that was not supported on Wii U. So it had to be redone from the ground up, mostly.
 
Mael said:
No really, it's objectively better.
The way the games are made good luck playing and finishing the SMG games without the wiimote.
Just imagine taking on the bosses of MP3 with anything but a mouse or a wiimote is pretty painful already.
It's as silly as people wanting to play Elite Beat Agent without the touchscreen.
And lol at MPT not being worth it at 10bucks.
What do you want free booze and unlimited cash?
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One of the worst things to happen to gaming discussions is the non-ironic introduction of the word “objective” into gamer’s vocabulary.
 
richisawesome said:
Grow up, and knock off your abrasive tone.
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Sorry. In the future, I will remember to not try and match the antagonistic tone of the person I'm replying to.

In return, make sure that the post you're replying to is about Metroid Prime Trilogy.

richisawesome said:
Grow up, and knock off your abrasive tone.

I quoted the wrong post, but was referring to your opinion on MPT. No need to get your knickers in a twist.
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If you were replying to my post about MPT, then you replied to nothing I said because the only thing I said about MPT's motion controls is that they're not objectively superior. Don't be such a weasel and except that you were wrong about something.
 
Dash Kappei said:
Prime 3 would be horrible with a classic controller and pointer controls make for even better gameplay mechanics in Trilogy's Prime and Echoes. Pointer controls are objectively superior to dual analog as a control method for first person shooters, if you find it uncomfortable then that's another matter and understandable but falls under your own preference umbrella, like keyboard and mouse aren't everybody's cup of tea doesn't make them NOT objectively the bat way to play FPS games.

Facts > your preference
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Objectively doesn't mean what you think it does. For something to be objectively true, it's truth value must be independent of any subjective judgments. You haven't shown that to be the case.

You assert Metroid Prime would be horrible with classic controllers. You assert that pointer controls are better. At no point do you explain how these assertions are not based on your opinion (or "preference umbrella").

Without setting out some kind of objective aesthetics of gaming, quality of control schemes and games in general are personal judgements, regardless of whether there is universal or near-universal agreement.

In any case, it's a good deal for a great set of games that I can't stand playing because I find motion controls obnoxious.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
1. Metroid Prime was designed with those controls in mind.
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Right. This is New Play Control: Metroid Prime.

2. Motion controls are not better for people who have problems with motion controls due to problems with fatigue. Though for some reason physical problems that make motion controls ruin the experience are preference, while wanting motion controls is "a desire for the factually best control layout" and clearly not a preference in and of itself.
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Using a keyboard for gaming more than 30 minutes gives me fingers' cramps, doesn't mean they're not far superior to dual analog for FPS. Still a preference.

3. Don't be ridiculous.
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I see, you've got the debate skills of a 10 years old, gotcha.
 
Michanical said:
One of the worst things to happen to gaming discussions is the non-ironic introduction of the word “objective” into gamer’s vocabulary.
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Well, there are a few elements of motion control that are factually done better than in dual analog. Fine aiming, for example, is much more accurate and efficient.

That doesn't make the entire experience objectively better, however.
 
Echoenigma said:
How good controls are is not determined by the fatigue of those operating them. If, for example, Guitar Hero gives me wrist pain after lengthy play, does guitar hero have bad controls, or do I have a personal problem that is preventing me from using the controls as intended?
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There are other guitar games, before and after, that use different controls.

Also, I didn't realize that the opposite of "objectively the best" was "bad".

Dash Kappei said:
Right. This is New Play Control: Metroid Prime.



Using a keyboard for gaming more than 30 minutes gives me fingers' cramps, doesn't mean they're not far superior to dual analog for FPS. Still a preference.



I see, you've got the debate skills of a 10 years old, gotcha.
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That's erroneous - I would be using the word "objective" about a matter of opinion like a fool if I was debating like a 10-year old.
 
Ugh figures that theres been some good sales on the eshop and now this, right after the ddp ends :(

Eh, picked up SMG2 anyway and will def be getting MPT
 
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