WrenchNinja
Member
MGS has always been a talky series
MGS5 - "Snake won't really speak much at all. More of a silent protagonist."
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Lord of Castamere
Member
Considering he just came out of a coma, seems to mainly works solo now so is used to spending large gaps speaking to nobody anyway, and is about to be put various stages of trauma hell; BB's lack of speaking speaking actually could make sense from a psychological point of view if written well.
literally playing it right now. He doesn't monologue, but he's as active in conversations as in any other MGS
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Valuable life lesson there.
It's always been linear too. Things change.
The codec is one way. You can also get a voice clip by aiming at something and pressing a button.
entremet
Member
For the worse, though. That style of overly long exposition via cutscenes has overstayed its welcome, but Kojima was too late to adopt.
ND knows how to use cutscenes appropriately without boring you to death.
akidnamededdy
Banned
S'all good, I get that tons of people like it. Doesn't really feel like MGS to me, but I was hoping at least the typical other MGS stuff would get me through it. Then boom this.
...I'm sure it'll still probably be fine, but they really should've said something other than "silent protagonist"
or just not addressed this at all.
Acquiescence
Member
In other words, Kiefer Sutherland was really fucking expensive to hire.
Graphics Horse
Member
What's your take on it? If it's about cutscene amount, Snake was never the one who did much of the talking.
I think there will be deeper plot related connections to this, he's also supposed to have some kind of amnesia/brain damage.
snake_eater_raiden
Member
The game will turn out to be great. But it will never be the same without Hayter. Sutherland is just what he is...Sutherland.
Snake is Hayter. Hayter is Snake.
Cant believe Kojima kicked him out especially after what he did with Twin Snakes. Hayter took a paycut to bring the original cast back to Twin Snakes.
Great decision Kojima!
sarcasm
Incredibly bad comparison. Metal Gear is a staple series of the gaming culture and has always achieved balance of cinematic cutscenes and superb gameplay.
The Order was bashed because it was *Cutscene**Run along narrow corridor**Cutscene* which suits that IP fine. But Metal Gear is completely different.
Not to mention dialogue/information was always a nice side option for the player who wanted to immerse themselves in Kojima's world. This sounds like they're removing it. No more funny optional/gag codec conversations by the sounds of it.
No. Peace Walker and GZ style are what you should expect.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Pretty much exactly how I feel.
TheRagnCajun
Member
How is this different from previous installments?
Typical Codec conversation:
Character: "[5 pages of dialouge]...Metal Gear"
Snake: "Metal Gear???"
Character: "[8 more pages of dialouge and explanation]..nanomachines"
Snake: "Nanomachines???
Character: "[11 more pages of dialogue, flashback cutscene, and then 4 more pages of dialouge]...Patriots"
Snake: "Patriots???"
Typical Codec conversation:
Character: "[5 pages of dialouge]...Metal Gear"
Snake: "Metal Gear???"
Character: "[8 more pages of dialouge and explanation]..nanomachines"
Snake: "Nanomachines???
Character: "[11 more pages of dialogue, flashback cutscene, and then 4 more pages of dialouge]...Patriots"
Snake: "Patriots???"
Characters will just monologue to BB.
brandonh83
Banned
Makes sense. Big Boss seems to be the quieter type to me anyway.
bananafactory
Banned
This is what I'm thinking too. If they write him as becoming detached and isolated due to the pain he has suffered, it could work for the story.
Snake at least repeating in question form is a lot better than him just staring blankly into space like if he was comatose.
I don't know if I like that. Like, codec conversations are super antiquated but at the same time I feels like part of the franchise dan, to me.
entremet
Member
Is Konami that cheap, doe?
WrenchNinja
Member
Yeah, for the worse.
I don't know, I like the cut scenes in MGS. I'd like to think that is some of the appeal of this series. Kojima is never going to be Naughty Dog, nor should he.
Nope, not really. I'll take a pensive look over regurgitated lines any day.
I don't like this at all
I want a comprehensive codec with cool and funny/informative/weird calls, this is part of MGS magic.
This. I do not like this decision at all.
lol was it Kojima's decision to have him repeat stuff over and over in dialogue?
That said, he still had a good number of original lines in codecs. Now we'll just hear characters talking to themselves. Which has been done before in certain codec calls though...
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
I guess Kiefer cost a bit too much, huh, Konami?
Not me. I'll take someone that at least interacts with the other characters over vegetable Snake.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
Metal Gear Solid 1 basically defines this.
Snake rarely goes off long tangents and speeches in the codec conversations like most characters but he does respond and shares his opinions of the world. His somewhat ignorant nature and oblivious knowledge mirror the player in the world so his exaggerated questions help give the player a better connection with the character.
Metal Gear Solid 3 does the same thing all though the exaggerations are taken a bit further and Snake is even less of a talker in cutscenes here.
With the open world style of Meal Gear Solid V, it is understandable that they'd cut out conversations over the radio considering Big Boss is always on the move with no pauses over the Codec. However, limiting his voice even in cutscenes may take away a key part that connects the players to the character.
GillianSeed79
Member
Considering the time between the release of MGS3 and MGSIV was close to four years and the time between MGSIV and MGSV will have been more than seven years, I'd say it's even more disappointing. It's not like they make these games quickly. At this rate, it will be probably at least another five years before we get a MGSVI.
entremet
Member
I thought MGS1's were perfect. MGS4's cutscenes are just overkill, poorly written and needing some editing.
i was just joking. lol. I trust the man. im sure whatever he does this game will be great.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Do they mean that it'll just be more naturalistic conversation? And that Kiefer Boss is just so haunted by experiences he doesn't speak very much?
BossLackey
Gold Member
I know. I'm really hoping this decision wasn't a compromise due to having to pay Kiefer a shitload of money for few words.
There should be an option to mute Miller after you've heard him the first time. I would mute the game audio every time I had to replay a mission
FlashbladeGAF
Member
Even with MGS' heavy cutscenes, there is still plenty of gameplay and replayability in the series.
Kojima gets a pass when it comes to cinemas since he was the one that revolutionized them and makes them better than most devs out there.
I'm sure Snake being silent is just them improving the dialogue, as opposed to them cutting anything. Keifer probably gave them advice in making the dialogue seem more natural.
If Kojima is worried people won't finish his game, then I don't think we should be worried about the lack of anything in this game.
I can't believe people are happy about this change. So much of Big Boss's character was revealed in optional codec calls throughout MGS3, like his fear of vampires and weird need to eat everything. Same for the supporting cast. Paramedic's interest in cloning was in an optional codec, and so was pretty everything we know about Zero. Peace Walker and MGS4 suffered in world building and character with the removal of context sensitive codec calls, and its a shame TPP is moving in direction of Kaz shouting in your when you look at things.
Um, what do you have against vegetables, bro?