Could do worse than drawing one card.
But yeah, since guaranteed to silence your own guy.
Anduin died for Yogg's sins.
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Anduin died for Yogg's sins.
Karsticles
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I wish Blizzard would be willing to look at cards like that again. Blood Imp is my favorite card concept.Murlocs were tier 1 at one point in the original set. Later blood imp was nerfed and it sorta fell off the radar. Blood imp used to be a 1/1 stealth that gave all friendly minions +1 hp as an aura.
Could do worse than drawing one card.
But yeah, since guaranteed to silence your own guy.
It's not a good way to fix Yogg.
I've been playing since ~February. Most of this thread has been around longer than I have.
I think people were craving Standard mostly because of Dr. Boom, Piloted Shredder, and Mysterious Challenger being goddamn everywhere.
Really not trying to argue...we all love LoE. Depends how you define game changing. In terms of changing the meta mysterious challenger from TGT had 10x the effect of any discover. In terms of excitement I would flip those lol.
Dr Boom, Piloted Shredder, Shielded Minibot, Sludge Belcher.
Those cards are the reason Standard was implemented. MC was super annoying and probably way too good, but the stuff from GvG and Naxx being in literally EVERY DECK for over a year and half is why they did what they did. It makes sense. Other card games rotate their cards as well not only to keep the Meta interesting, but to keep the money coming in. When you made a deck (and when you currently make a Wild deck), you think first about the most overpowered cards. Nearly all of them are Deathrattles and nearly all of them are from Naxx and GvG.
For as much as I am pretty unhappy with the Standard meta atm, I really think the move to a format like Standard was inevitable. They had to do something to keep the game fresh after their realized that it was basically impossible to improve on the power of the GvG cards without constant, insane power creep in every set.
I don't really think Blizzard was right to do what they did by keeping Classic around. They could have rotated out some card from classic and put in cards from Naxx/GvG that were leaving into the Classic set. Wild could still have access to everything, but keeping some of the balanced (or fun!) tools that existed in those sets would have been beneficial IMO. Imagine if priest still had Dark Cultist in standard! I'm sure there are other ways than this too, but I still that this makes the most sense.
Overall, the game is in a bad spot in the meta, I'm hopeful that ONiK will bring at least a couple new decks. An aggro/midrange Beast druid would be better than 0 druids on ladder atm. Some discard variation of Warlock could be a fun twist on Zoo. I sadly don't see this exp elevating the Dragon Priest to competitve level. But it might be slightly better. Oh well. I'm not paying for it. So its only gold.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think there are perhaps 2 cards I want back from old sets. Healbot and maaaaybe zombie chow. Now frankly, I think zombie chow rotating out is good, but they didn't add a new control neutral 1 drop so we've seen the fallout from that and I kinda miss it.
Healbot... because it really gives you a chance to turn a game around against a deck that doesn't start with initiative hitting the board. Gives you a chance to stabilize after you finally get some control against the plethora of decks that run a lot of charge cards (looking at you dragon warrior) and instant damage.
I can't think of another card that I really want back other than healbot. Definitely not Loatheb though.
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On second thought, zombie chow is probably weak in this meta.
Healbot... because it really gives you a chance to turn a game around against a deck that doesn't start with initiative hitting the board. Gives you a chance to stabilize after you finally get some control against the plethora of decks that run a lot of charge cards (looking at you dragon warrior) and instant damage.
I can't think of another card that I really want back other than healbot. Definitely not Loatheb though.
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On second thought, zombie chow is probably weak in this meta.
Watching Lifecoach play zoo is like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.
Lol token druid is one of the best decks in the ladder right now.
Lol token druid is one of the best decks in the ladder right now.
Karsticles
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You're reading him wrong. He's saying it's on the bottom of tier 1.
Yup, its great deck that I wish can have more refinement from this adventure and its far more exciting than upcoming beast druid
Thank god.
Karsticles
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In another 5 expansions, Astral Druid could become tier 2.
Luckily Astral will rotate out before we get 5 more expansions.
It will rotate out soon anyway. Maybe in Wild it will be broken some day.
Officerrob
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Thijs set review (he has 13 playable cards)
It's semi usable. You would have to use Druid of the Claw in the deck which I don't really like doing in that deck because when you hit the ramp/Astral you want the 6 and up taunts.
Thijs set review (he has 13 playable cards)
I'll play Medivh's Valet if it's got the Indiana Jones quote from The Last Crusade.
maybe that 4 drop 3/2 get 0/5 taunt isn't so bad. It could be cool in buff decks.
play it with blessing of might, get a tazdingo and a 3/2 for 5.
play it with cold blood, get a 3/2 and taunted yeti for 5.
and inner fire priest!!
It's probably not good enough as we don't have many good buffs and paladin has other problems.
play it with blessing of might, get a tazdingo and a 3/2 for 5.
play it with cold blood, get a 3/2 and taunted yeti for 5.
and inner fire priest!!
It's probably not good enough as we don't have many good buffs and paladin has other problems.
Ehh... it's just better to use those double buffers like Direwolf Alpha, Flametongue or Defender of Argus. It's not that much better to just buff the 0/5 except when it comes to Inner Fire (LUL Priest combos).
wish priest had a couple more cards with the inner fire effect.
Just a matter of time before they print Aldor (inner)firekeeper.
irfaanator
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3 mana 2/3 set minions atk to its health, then silence it
Karsticles
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Draw a card.
Mobius and pet octopus
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People still try to make "crusher" shaman work? Still seems terrible.
I had such a bad start. He even managed to get 2 emperor ticks off. Then he played a flamewreath, earth elemental, and that 4 mana copy/taunt card... He got me down to 3 health before I could stabilize and then I simply won off n'zoth. And I did all that while playing around hex somehow.
I had such a bad start. He even managed to get 2 emperor ticks off. Then he played a flamewreath, earth elemental, and that 4 mana copy/taunt card... He got me down to 3 health before I could stabilize and then I simply won off n'zoth. And I did all that while playing around hex somehow.
of course seems terrible versus class that had certain 2 mana card, everyone knows that deck not win against Rogue
Mobius and pet octopus
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Thief rogue? My body is ready.
I'm well aware that its not a great match up for the deck. But I also think it's always been a shitty deck.
In this particular match, sap was practically irrelevant. After shaman got 3x 7/7s on board at the same time you'd expect shaman to win. Even after shaman did it's huge plays, it still lost against a deck that cannot handle those type of huge plays.
Crusher Shaman can easily clear that board. Maybe he just played badly and didn't use his board clears wisely.
Deck isn't that bad honestly. If it gets set up then it does very well against non Shaman meta decks. I say Shaman because Hex really messes up the Crusher deck badly.
And Crusher Shaman was bad before because it didn't have the board clears, card draw, heals or the Overload canceling mechanics. Now it does so it was worth re-exploring. Plus the Faceless Flamewreath, Faceless Shambler and Thing of the Deep put extra bodies into the deck. Since a lot of decks aren't running silences, if you get off an Ancestral Spirit on a big body taunt... the meta decks have a tough time dealing with it.
Deck isn't that bad honestly. If it gets set up then it does very well against non Shaman meta decks. I say Shaman because Hex really messes up the Crusher deck badly.
And Crusher Shaman was bad before because it didn't have the board clears, card draw, heals or the Overload canceling mechanics. Now it does so it was worth re-exploring. Plus the Faceless Flamewreath, Faceless Shambler and Thing of the Deep put extra bodies into the deck. Since a lot of decks aren't running silences, if you get off an Ancestral Spirit on a big body taunt... the meta decks have a tough time dealing with it.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Well, he already used 2 elemental destructions and a lightning storm, or maybe 2, and 2 lava shocks. Hell, the turn he played the 7/7s I had a big board already. He elemental destruction'd for 1 mana, lava shocked for 0, and then played 3 huge dudes (I forget the exact order of play). I can't imagine a better dream scenario for the deck against rogue. The screen shot is 2-3 turns after I used n'zoth as well.
Seems like he wanted to close out the game before the Nzoth play. Game seemed like it was pretty close, he was just one Lightning Bolt away from winning it.
I don't know how that match up is though (Nzoth Rogue vs Control/Crusher Shaman, not common online). Rogue decks tend to do well against Control decks anyway.
He vaping at stream all the time.
ScaryShark
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Gonna give Chakki credit?
The whole problem is Blizzard being to chicken-shit to just rotate out the classic/basic set. Instead of nerfing the classic set each year just rotate out that stuff and invest your time in making a new basic set of cards that are rotated out each new standard year to freshen things up.
At this point I would rather see them reprint cards with new artwork or just slightly rebalanced (while keeping the old one exactly the same for wild) than seeing shit like this:
If you look at Zoo they run 20(!) cards from the basic/classic set in their deck. When standard was announced Mike Donais said a returning player would be able to built an average Face Hunter, not have access to 2/3 of a tier 1 deck. Same goes for Dragon Warrior with the average list running 15-18 cards from the classic/standard set.
At this point I would rather see them reprint cards with new artwork or just slightly rebalanced (while keeping the old one exactly the same for wild) than seeing shit like this:
If you look at Zoo they run 20(!) cards from the basic/classic set in their deck. When standard was announced Mike Donais said a returning player would be able to built an average Face Hunter, not have access to 2/3 of a tier 1 deck. Same goes for Dragon Warrior with the average list running 15-18 cards from the classic/standard set.
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That artwork is pretty good.
I want to hear the sound byte for Thespian, too.
"Alas, poor Yorick!"
Ain't no thang, mayne.
Priest4lyfe
That artwork is pretty good.
I want to hear the sound byte for Thespian, too.
"Alas, poor Yorick!"
Ain't no thang, mayne.
Priest4lyfe
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kibler told them to do it but they didn't listen. He was right as always.
The standarrd cards are supposed to be the core set of Hearthstone, but they are really half assing it.
They need to do a lot more than just nerfing a handful of cards. How about buffing or adding
cards?
Also, blizzard nerfs are often so exterme, they might as well just ban the cards outright.
They need to do a lot more than just nerfing a handful of cards. How about buffing or adding
cards?
Also, blizzard nerfs are often so exterme, they might as well just ban the cards outright.
If they had rotated Classic out with Standard then Priest would be in an even worse position.
I liked Reynad's suggestion from the ideas meeting, (or at least I've heard this attributed to him on reddit) he wanted a "Core" set that includes cards from multiple sets, so that not everything in a given set gets rotated out at the end of the year. This would've allowed certain solid cards like Dark Bomb to stick around while still getting rid of all the degenerate trash like Shredder. Priest might actually be viable if they literally just had Lightbomb carry over into Standard.
But then I guess that'd be too complicated for the type of player that gets confused over a button that gives them extra deck slots. Blizzard might have to make some whole new Core pack in the shop! Sounds like a lot of work. Let's just fuck over all the classes that have mediocre Classic cards instead.
I liked Reynad's suggestion from the ideas meeting, (or at least I've heard this attributed to him on reddit) he wanted a "Core" set that includes cards from multiple sets, so that not everything in a given set gets rotated out at the end of the year. This would've allowed certain solid cards like Dark Bomb to stick around while still getting rid of all the degenerate trash like Shredder. Priest might actually be viable if they literally just had Lightbomb carry over into Standard.
But then I guess that'd be too complicated for the type of player that gets confused over a button that gives them extra deck slots. Blizzard might have to make some whole new Core pack in the shop! Sounds like a lot of work. Let's just fuck over all the classes that have mediocre Classic cards instead.
play wild then. priest is tier 1 there
Saw it in Zetalots chat, not sure why I should dig for originators of Hearthstone-memes.
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