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[krae_man]

Nokia makes great entry level phones. Problem is nobody wants a "Good enough for what I need" Smartphone. Everyone wants the best phone out there.

I'm happy with my Lumia 710. I can read email, browse GAF, tether if I want, connect to the internet via Wifi, etc and I don't need anything else. But I'm not most people.

 

[campfireweekend]

Don't see how that changes the point that it depends on the user. You don't see how someone could prioritize functionality over smoothness?

Once again, you actually think the functionality of gingerbread is comparable to windows phone 8? When compared to high end android, of course there are deficiencies to be found in windows phone 8. I thought lower end android was universally reviled. Why are you defending a platform that's OS was released in 2010 to one that was released last November?

 

[numble]

Once again, you actually think the functionality of gingerbread is comparable to windows phone 8? When compared to high end android, of course there are deficiencies to be found in windows phone 8. I thought lower end android was universally reviled. Why are you defending a platform that's OS was released in 2010 to one that was released last November?

By functionality, he meant the functionality of an app. I would prefer Gingerbread to WP8 due to the lack of specific apps.

 

[campfireweekend]

By functionality, he meant the functionality of an app. I would prefer Gingerbread to WP8 due to the lack of specific apps.

So we're ignoring the performance within those apps? Also within the playstore and even the settings app? Gingerbread on that kind of hardware leaves a lot to be desired in the fluidity department, especially in apps, some of which might not even be supported by the hardware.

 

[quaere]

Once again, you actually think the functionality of gingerbread is comparable to windows phone 8? When compared to high end android, of course there are deficiencies to be found in windows phone 8. I thought lower end android was universally reviled. Why are you defending a platform that's OS was released in 2010 to one that was released last November?

Absolutely. WP8 may do what it does more smoothly and more efficiently but there is no question that Gingerbread can do more things in total. That's what I define as functionality which is separate from user experience.

 

[Magni]

Nokia makes great entry level phones. Problem is nobody wants a "Good enough for what I need" Smartphone. Everyone wants the best phone out there.

I'm happy with my Lumia 710. I can read email, browse GAF, tether if I want, connect to the internet via Wifi, etc and I don't need anything else. But I'm not most people.

You are "most people". You aren't "most people on the forums".

 

[numble]

So we're ignoring the performance within those apps? Also within the playstore and even the settings app? Gingerbread on that kind of hardware leaves a lot to be desired in the fluidity department, especially in apps, some of which might not even be supported by the hardware.

Of course. Why does it matter if it runs things smoothly if it can't run some things at all?

 

[campfireweekend]

Absolutely. WP8 may do what it does more smoothly and more efficiently but there is no question that Gingerbread can do more things in total. That's what I define as functionality which is separate from user experience.

Such as? I doubt any extra functionality you could name would even be appreciated by those that are in the market for an entry level phone. I welcome you to prove me wrong though. In fact, those looking for the low end would probably appreciate the deep integration of services such as Facebook and twitter into the platform more.

 

[numble]

Such as? I doubt any extra functionality you could name would even be appreciated by those that are in the market for an entry level phone. I welcome you to prove me wrong though. In fact, those looking for the low end would probably appreciate the deep integration of services such as Facebook and twitter into the platform more.

Viggle and FreeMyApps. In 6 months, I've gotten over $100 from those apps on a $60 iPhone 3GS and $50 from those apps on a Nexus 4 (it would earn about the same on a cheaper Android phone). Windows Phone doesn't even have those apps.

 

[hoos30]

If only it had Android.

30 minutes, right on the nose.

(People in the Lumia thread were speculating how long it would take someone to bring up Android in this post.)

 

[PG2G]

I dont get the feeling that the type of people buying entry level smartphones are really heavy app users. They need things like email, browser, and light social networking.

This phone is going to kick the crap out of any comparable device at doing these tasks.

 

[flippedb]

30 minutes, right on the nose.

(People in the Lumia thread were speculating how long it would take someone to bring up Android in this post.)

Spoiler

That's why I did it.

 

[quaere]

Such as? I doubt any extra functionality you could name would even be appreciated by those that are in the market for an entry level phone. I welcome you to prove me wrong though. In fact, those looking for the low end would probably appreciate the deep integration of services such as Facebook and twitter into the platform more.

No idea what buyers of entry level smartphones like to do on average, you could be right there. But I imagine at least some of them would appreciate being able to do the same things as a high end Android phone, just slower.

 

[campfireweekend]

Viggle and FreeMyApps. In 6 months, I've gotten over $100 from those apps on a $60 iPhone 3GS and $50 from those apps on a Nexus 4 (it would earn about the same on a cheaper Android phone). Windows Phone doesn't even have those apps.

I still don't understand how anecdotal use cases disprove my point. I doubt the popularity of those apps is so vast that the unwitting first time smart phone user would decry their absence on windows phone. People that are buying entry level smartphone are only looking for it to do these things: Facebook, texting, browsing the web, and checking their emails. If they wanted more they wouldn't want an entry level smartphone. Its the entire reason they exist. So it is absolutely integral to discussion how well the platform does those things. The browser in windows phone 8 is much faster than the one found on gingerbread (not to mention gingerbread doesn't even support chrome)The email experience for both is solid. Since there are no glaring omissions in either app, the only thing left to compare is fluidity, and the fluidity of windows phone's email handily beats gingerbread's. What's left is Facebook, which aside from its complete integration into the windows phone OS (you can use Facebook chat straight from windows phone's texting app, integrate your Facebook contacts, upload directly to Facebook) has an app that has a better user experience. Your anecdotal evidence is even more flat considering neither of the phones you mentioned are or were ever considered low end.

 

[hoos30]

Spoiler

That's why I did it.

Ha, ha. Got me.

 

[dorkimoe]

*No Instagram.

I still dont see why people think thats a reason not to get one. One of the dumbest apps ever

Someone needs to do this sale with a 920

 

[Milchjon]

I still dont see why people think thats a reason not to get one. One of the dumbest apps ever

Someone needs to do this sale with a 920

Someone needs to do this sale with a Mercedes Benz C-Class.

 

[Joe]

If unlocked would it work on AT&T?

 

[JMizzlin]

Woah! Would this be unlockable if I wanted to take it back to Australia?

 

[numble]

I still don't understand how anecdotal use cases disprove my point. I doubt the popularity of those apps is so vast that the unwitting first time smart phone user would decry their absence on windows phone. People that are buying entry level smartphone are only looking for it to do these things: Facebook, texting, browsing the web, and checking their emails. If they wanted more they wouldn't want an entry level smartphone. Its the entire reason they exist. So it is absolutely integral to discussion how well the platform does those things. The browser in windows phone 8 is much faster than the one found on gingerbread (not to mention gingerbread doesn't even support chrome)The email experience for both is solid. Since there are no glaring omissions in either app, the only thing left to compare is fluidity, and the fluidity of windows phone's email handily beats gingerbread's. What's left is Facebook, which aside from its complete integration into the windows phone OS (you can use Facebook chat straight from windows phone's texting app, integrate your Facebook contacts, upload directly to Facebook) has an app that has a better user experience. Your anecdotal evidence is even more flat considering neither of the phones you mentioned are or were ever considered low end.

The iPhone 3GS was free on contract, it was definitely considered low end, and most people get phones on contract. The iPhone 4 is now an entry-level smartphone. They even specifically talk about its success in developing markets, how it was supply-constrained in the holiday 2012 quarter when it went free on contract.

You are declaring my evidence anecdotal, and it is, but you are only countering with anecdotal evidence of your own, that first time or entry level smartphone users don't use apps. Where is the empirical data that you are citing?

 

[campfireweekend]

The iPhone 3GS was free on contract, it was definitely considered low end, and most people get phones on contract. The iPhone 4 is now an entry-level smartphone. They even specifically talk about its success in developing markets, how it was supply-constrained in the holiday 2012 quarter when it went free on contract.

You are declaring my evidence anecdotal, and it is, but you are only countering with anecdotal evidence of your own, that first time or entry level smartphone users don't use apps. Where is the empirical data that you are citing?

Whether you admit it or not, there is a difference between phone that are entry level at the outset, and those become so after time and only due to subsidization. Entry level phones that are designed as such are not built to last, or provide a seamless user experience. Unless you're truly telling me that if you put an entry level phone running gingerbread and an iPhone 3gs you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. This discussion isn't even about the entry level capabilities of old iPhones, which retain their quality as all apple products do. If you don't recall, we're talking about entry level gingerbread vs. windows phone 8.

As for my empirical data, I hope the IDC is reliable enough for you.

Yes, these statistics aren't for users that solely have entry level phones. Actually, its even more damning for your argument that these are general usage statistics. All that most people use their smartphones for is precisely what I said: web browsing, email, social networking and other uses which are supported by both gingerbread and windows phone 8. So then once again the discussion comes down to how well each platform does those things. Windows phone wins. Which isn't really even saying much, because the only victory here is over entry level gingerbread, which even though you're not using, you want to defend.

 

[Windu]

If unlocked would it work on AT&T?

yes.

 

[kharma45]

Woah! Would this be unlockable if I wanted to take it back to Australia?

Should be.

 

[numble]

Whether you admit it or not, there is a difference between phone that are entry level at the outset, and those become so after time and only due to subsidization. Entry level phones that are designed as such are not built to last, or provide a seamless user experience. Unless you're truly telling me that if you put an entry level phone running gingerbread and an iPhone 3gs you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. This discussion isn't even about the entry level capabilities of old iPhones, which retain their quality as all apple products do. If you don't recall, we're talking about entry level gingerbread vs. windows phone 8.

As for my empirical data, I hope the IDC is reliable enough for you.


Yes, these statistics aren't for users that solely have entry level phones. Actually, its even more damning for your argument that these are general usage statistics. All that most people use their smartphones for is precisely what I said: web browsing, email, social networking and other uses which are supported by both gingerbread and windows phone 8. So then once again the discussion comes down to how well each platform does those things. Windows phone wins. Which isn't really even saying much, because the only victory here is over entry level gingerbread, which even though you're not using, you want to defend.

That data doesn't say anything about not using apps, especially when it says 60% find games to be the most used. I bet 78% of people in the Android OT thread use their phones for web browsing too. That doesn't mean that other features are unimportant. Would you say a camera is unimportant in a phone because users only use the camera 5% of the time?

There is no difference to a end user between a phone that becomes entry-level later on and is entry-level at the outset. I would even argue that people buying unlocked phones are savvier and more discerning users compared to those that just get whatever phone is free on contract.

 

[campfireweekend]

That data doesn't say anything about not using apps, especially when it says 60% use it for games. I bet 78% of people in the Android OT thread use their phones for web browsing too. That doesn't mean that other features are unimportant. Would you say a camera is unimportant in a phone because users only use the camera 5% of the time?

There is no difference to a end user between a phone that becomes entry-level later on and is entry-level at the outset. I would even argue that people buying unlocked phones are savvier and more discerning users compared to those that just get whatever phone is free on contract.

The argument wasn't that entry level users don't use apps, its that the apps that they are most likely to use exist on both platforms. This data proves that. Tell me, how far down are viggle or freemyapps on the play and app stores respectively? Windows phone 8 (according to data directly from Microsoft) has 46 out of the to 50 apps on both the android and iOS platforms. Its not that only 73% browse the web on their smartphone. Its that browsing the web is the most popular function for 73% of the people surveyed. Once again, which of the most popular functions of smartphones is not present in windows phone 8 versus an entry level gingerbread handset?

There is absolutely a difference in build quality and stability dude. Time did not make the iPhone 3gs a piece of crap comparable to a pantech whatever running android 2.3. But, as I've stated before, we're not comparing old iPhones to windows phone 8. So mentioning it is completely irrelevant.

 

[Stabby McSter]

OOS.

I was willing to pick up a new phone just to try it, too!

 

[Snaku]

OOS.

I was willing to pick up a new phone just to try it, too!

Yup, not a good deal if it's not for sale.

 

[krae_man]

You are "most people". You aren't "most people on the forums".

Considering how many people have the latest iPhone and Samsung Galaxy phone, I think you're wrong and most people do want and have the latest and greatest. The fact that phones are subsidized helps, otherwise that wouldn't be the case and the "Bang for buck" market would be selling better.

 

[DarkFlow]

My galaxy nexus just took a shit, this would be great to use with my t mobile prepaid plan. To bad it's oos.

 

[hgarrett54]

Already out of stock, darn.

Nokia maps/drive is fantastic!

 

[numble]

The argument wasn't that entry level users don't use apps, its that the apps that they are most likely to use exist on both platforms. This data proves that. Tell me, how far down are viggle or freemyapps on the play and app stores respectively? Windows phone 8 (according to data directly from Microsoft) has 46 out of the to 50 apps on both the android and iOS platforms. Its not that only 73% browse the web on their smartphone. Its that browsing the web is the most popular function for 73% of the people surveyed. Once again, which of the most popular functions of smartphones is not present in windows phone 8 versus an entry level gingerbread handset?

There is absolutely a difference in build quality and stability dude. Time did not make the iPhone 3gs a piece of crap comparable to a pantech whatever running android 2.3. But, as I've stated before, we're not comparing old iPhones to windows phone 8. So mentioning it is completely irrelevant.

That data doesn't even make sense anyway. Browsing the web is the most popular for 73%, but playing games is the most popular for 60%? How does that make sense?

Viggle has been in rank 5-50 in its category and top 100 overall. FreeMyApps is a web-based app.

To an end user, there is no difference. Who cares if its a Galaxy S2 or iPhone that has come free on contract after 2 years or if its a $130 Lumia?

 

[Joe]

yes.

Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know what data speeds on AT&T would be like?

 

[campfireweekend]

That data doesn't even make sense anyway. Browsing the web is the most popular for 73%, but playing games is the most popular for 60%? How does that make sense?

Viggle has been in rank 5-50 in its category and top 100 overall. FreeMyApps is a web-based app.

To an end user, there is no difference. Who cares if its a Galaxy S2 or iPhone that has come free on contract after 2 years or if its a $130 Lumia?

Do you not understand that it's a scale? I ask you what your most commonly used apps are. You give me a list. I average that out from everyone I asked. For 73% web browsers were part of their most commonly used list. That means that 27% don't commonly use their web browsers. Now, those same people that stated web browsers were part of their most used apps also might commonly play games on their phone, or email, or facebook. All it is saying is that the most people replied with web broswers being one of their most used apps on the platform.

So disregarding categorical placement, neither is in the top 50, otherwise known as, the greatest representation of what the common smartphone user uses most. I get it, windows phone isn't for you because of how heavily you use those two apps. Realize you do not represent the broader market. And I still don't get what point you're making about a galaxy s2 or old iphone being indistinguishable from a phone that was designed to be entry level at the outset. One, the galaxy s2 actually has ice cream sandwich, so its irrelevant to this discussion. 2 the user experience is much better on a galaxy s2 or old iphone than any currently releasing entry level android phone. You're welcome to argue that there's no difference in performance, but you're wrong.

 

[numble]

Do you not understand that it's a scale? I ask you what your most commonly used apps are. You give me a list. I average that out from everyone I asked. For 73% web browsers were part of their most commonly used list. That means that 27% don't commonly use their web browsers. Now, those same people that stated web browsers were part of their most used apps also might commonly play games on their phone, or email, or facebook. All it is saying is that the most people replied with web broswers being one of their most used apps on the platform.

So disregarding categorical placement, neither is in the top 50, otherwise known as, the greatest representation of what the common smartphone user uses most. I get it, windows phone isn't for you because of how heavily you use those two apps. Realize you do not represent the broader market.

You just said this:

Its that browsing the web is the most popular function for 73% of the people surveyed.

Now you said this:

For 73% web browsers were part of their most commonly used list.

Make up your mind on how to interpret the same data.

I think there are more intangibles than the top 50. The long tail is a real thing. Could I start an ecommerce site and just have the top 50 Amazon products? I don't think so, and that's why ecosystems like webOS and Blackberry can still fail, and Barnes and Noble adopts the Play Store even though they covered most of the most common apps on their store.

 

[campfireweekend]

You just said this:



Now you said this:



Make up your mind on how to interpret the same data.

I think there are more intangibles than the top 50. The long tail is a real thing. Could I start an ecommerce site and just have the top 50 Amazon products? I don't think so, and that's why ecosystems like webOS and Blackberry can still fail, and Barnes and Noble adopts the Play Store even though they covered most of the most common apps on their store.

Trying to trap me with semantics doesn't help that it disproves your point. Overall, browsing the web is one of the most popular ways to use your smartphone because 73% of the people surveyed mentioned it. I may have fudged the wording, but the intent was still there. You still haven't provided a suitable counter-argument yet.

Edit: Your are absolutely right about there being more nuances than just the top 50. I however believe, and the data supports this, that those nuances are only glaringly present to the power user, rather than the entry level first time smart phone user.

 

[numble]

Trying to trap me with semantics doesn't help that it disproves your point. Overall, browsing the web is one of the most popular ways to use your smartphone because 73% of the people surveyed mentioned it. I may have fudged the wording, but the intent was still there. You still haven't provided a suitable counter-argument yet.

If it was only based on those uses, Blackberry, webOS and Symbian/Meego are viable platforms. And things like cameras are unimportant because its only used maybe 1% of the time.

FreeMyApps being web-based doesn't mean it works on Windows Phone, by the way. Try to go to FreeMyApps.com on your Windows Phone.

You haven't explained why my argument about the Long Tail is not a suitable counter-argument.

 

[Windu]

Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know what data speeds on AT&T would be like?

HSPA/HSPA+. probably something like 5 down.

 

[campfireweekend]

If it was only based on those uses, Blackberry, webOS and Symbian/Meego are viable platforms. And things like cameras are unimportant because its only used maybe 1% of the time.

FreeMyApps being web-based doesn't mean it works on Windows Phone, by the way. Try to go to FreeMyApps.com on your Windows Phone.

You haven't explained why my argument about the Long Tail is not a suitable counter-argument.

Yeah, haha. I forgot to unbold it after I checked with my phone. Just shows the screen and after you press okay states that you need an iOS device to run it. You're right about the camera bit. It seems unnecessary until those niche cases where you need to take a picture, and then its omission would be glaring. I can only see how that applies to a camera however. If you could provide me with an app that seems unnecessary only until its needed and is commonly used, I will concede the point.

I feel there are definitely more nuances to why webOS and Symbian ultimately failed. They also however did not have an overwhelming majority of the top 50 apps. Consumer perception likely played a part in their downfall also. Symbian never had a foothold in America like the one it had in Europe, which is probably one of the reasons Nokia abandoned it. webOS was being supported by solely a single company, both times with neither the funds to give it the push that was required for the platform (Palm) or the desire (HP). I don't believe either of those platforms are similar to windows phone in either respect. Nor did they multiple manufacturers supporting them with the breadth of entry points that windows phone has.

Tell me about a long-tail app that you find noteworthy enough that an entry level/ first time smart phone user would miss.

 

[brotkasten]

HSPA/HSPA+. probably something like 5 down.

HSDPA is 7.2 mbit down, HSPA+ is usually 21 mbit down.

 

[numble]

Tell me about a long-tail app that you find noteworthy enough that an entry level/ first time smart phone user would miss.

It doesn't even have to be a Long Tail app. Right now, WP8 has ZERO out of the top 10 free apps on the App Store. Vine, Robot Unicorn Attack 2, Dots, Draw Something 2, Path, Iron Man 3, Candy Crush Saga, FallDown! 2, Angry Birds Friends, Empires: World War Plus.

Congrats, they have 2/10 of the top 10 paid apps.

 

[mohsinkhan]

Can I order this and have it sent to Canada?

 

[campfireweekend]

It doesn't even have to be a Long Tail app. Right now, WP8 has ZERO out of the top 10 free apps on the App Store. Vine, Robot Unicorn Attack 2, Dots, Draw Something 2, Path, Iron Man 3, Candy Crush Saga, FallDown! 2, Angry Birds Friends, Empires: World War Plus.

Congrats, they have 2/10 of the top 10 paid apps.

I never claimed windows phone has 46 out of the top 50 apps on a daily basis. How many of those apps launched recently? How many of those apps are going to quickly fall out of the top 10? I was talking about all time apps, or apps that are consistently popular. Here's a list of the top 25 apps on the appstore of all time directly from apple
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2013/05/04/apple-top-apps-all-time/2134739/
Its only missing 4. Instagram, google earth, I heart radio and bump.

 

[numble]

I never claimed windows phone has 46 out of the top 50 apps on a daily basis. How many of those apps launched recently? How many of those apps are going to quickly fall out of the top 10? I was talking about all time apps, or apps that are consistently popular. Here's a list of the top 25 apps on the appstore of all time directly from apple
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2013/05/04/apple-top-apps-all-time/2134739/
Its only missing 4. Instagram, google earth, I heart radio and bump.

You really are saying that the current top apps are unimportant?

Most of those old apps have already fallen off in popularity. Facebook, iHeartRadio has already fallen out of the top 50, Google Earth and Weather Channel are in the 70s, Fruit Ninja isn't even in the top 100 anymore.

 

[krae_man]

Can I order this and have it sent to Canada?

Koodo sells it for $150 or $0 on the Tab. Although the Koodo version isn't Pentaband so no using it on Wind of Mobilicity.

 

[campfireweekend]

You really are saying that the current top apps are unimportant?

Most of those old apps have already fallen off in popularity. Facebook, iHeartRadio has already fallen out of the top 50, Google Earth and Weather Channel are in the 70s, Fruit Ninja isn't even in the top 100 anymore.

So now the long tail doesn't matter? Interesting. You're honestly going to argue that Facebook isn't something that everyone installs on their phone just because it fell out of the top 50. Fruit ninja also has more mindshare than any of the new games you mentioned that currently reside in the top 10. What I'm saying is the current top apps fluctuates wildly. Vice city is there because the price got reduced. Survival craft because of the new update and reduced price. Draw something 2 because it just came out. Besides vine and path (two apps that are sorely missing on windows phone) which of those apps has staying power?

 

[Futureman]

What exactly is freemyapps? It looks kinda scammy, but you guys keep bringing it up. How many apps do you have to try out for a gift card?

 

[numble]

So now the long tail doesn't matter? Interesting. You're honestly going to argue that Facebook isn't something that everyone installs on their phone just because it fell out of the top 50. Fruit ninja also has more mindshare than any of the new games you mentioned that currently reside in the top 10. What I'm saying is the current top apps fluctuates wildly. Vice city is there because the price got reduced. Survival craft because of the new update and reduced price. Draw something 2 because it just came out. Besides vine and path (two apps that are sorely missing on windows phone) which of those apps has staying power?

No, I'm saying that the top 50 changes, it's a moving target. Of course they matter. But you can't say you have a great app ecosystem if you only have 10% of the top 20 apps.

Minecraft, Hay Day, and Candy Crush Saga have been on the top grossing for months, Draw Something 2 and Angry Birds Friends will probably also have staying power, possibly Temple Run: Oz, as well.

I don't think Fruit Ninja has more mindshare than Angry Birds or even Candy Crush at the moment.

If you want to take the position that the current top 20 are not as big as the all-time top 20, that's fair, but the apps of the day are precisely the type of apps that play into my long-tail argument. I simply argue that they are more important than the obscure long-tail.

What exactly is freemyapps? It looks kinda scammy, but you guys keep bringing it up. How many apps do you have to try out for a gift card?

On iOS, you can get a gift card every 2-3 installs, and there are 2-3 apps a week. On Android, maybe 5-7 installs and 1 app a week.

 

[krae_man]

How is this spec wise to the Lumia 710? Seems like the difference is the processor. single core 1.4ghz vs dual core 1ghz. If it's identical or better, I would upgrade if my carrier gets it. the 8gb on my 710 is quite limiting.

 

[UberTag]

This is well worth buying even as a backup phone if any of you are Xbox achievement whores and want to earn points on the go.

 

[campfireweekend]

No, I'm saying that the top 50 changes, it's a moving target. Of course they matter. But you can't say you have a great app ecosystem if you only have 10% of the top 20 apps.

Minecraft, Hay Day, and Candy Crush Saga have been on the top grossing for months, Draw Something 2 and Angry Birds Friends will probably also have staying power, possibly Temple Run: Oz, as well.

I don't think Fruit Ninja has more mindshare than Angry Birds or even Candy Crush at the moment.



On iOS, you can get a gift card every 2-3 installs, and there are 2-3 apps a week. On Android, maybe 5-7 installs and 1 app a week.

Now that we're essentially arguing the maturity of iOS app store vs windows phone 8's you do have the better argument. And if you don't have any grievances about being stuck on a two year contract for a free iPhone 4 versus the Lumia 520, definitely go for the iPhone 4. Unsubsidized, the Lumia 520 vs any unsubsidized low end android (which was my original argument)the Lumia 520 wins. Those fluctuating top 50 apps you keep mentioning, namely the games, barely run on low end android. Can we please stop bringing up iOS?

Edit: It seems we just have a difference of opinion on which apps are more necessary for a platform to have. Wanna just agree to disagree, and stop being so woefully off-topic?