AkirraKrylon
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I'd find this very hard to believe. The sun rising in the background of the logo strongly suggests that the figure is the goddess Eos (goddess of the dawn, Dawn trailer, Eos is the name of the world, etc.).
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All-New Press Previews of Final Fantasy XV's First 5 Chapters
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I have a long post in my head but I don't want to type on my phone. I will put my thoughts in the "raise your flame shield" thread. In short, I agree with the guy who posted in that thread that videogame is the worst medium for story telling - and I'd add that it doesn't hinder people from enjoying videogame story.
AlexFlame116
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No offense but please just let people enjoy what they want. You can be right if you want in your head and with the probable evidence.
Pretty sure that originally, the logo was meant to correspond with Etro.
To that point the episode duscae ending shows the "figure" in the logo as benevolent and holy rather than villainous. Also, looks like a woman (although... angels and japan, so idk)
DiipuSurotu
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The villain could kill Etro and take her place or something, Kefka-Warring Triad style.
LordKasual
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I was going to use Midgardsormr as an example, actually. Nothing he said actually changed, you can get all the same information from his dialogue. I can very much see that point of view, I hold the opinion myself sometimes. I may be wrong, but it seems as though you're arguing that a character like Midgarsormr was somehow unnecessarily "changed", or padded up with his dialect, when that is literally how his dialogue was written to begin with.
In XIV's case, it isn't even a matter of "localized" vs "original", and aside from simply not being able to understand what someone like Urianger or Midgardsormr is telling you, the only real complaint here is that it isn't "like the japanese version". Which, again, is a statement that doesn't even apply there. They aren't really separate entities.
With Stormblood in development, I doubt XV has had the same level of collaboration as XIV has had recently. But in no way would that hurt the game.
It makes you more worried when the localization teams and writers are in sync with one another....?
Wait
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Wouldn't surprise me, that bitch always fails at everything. Worst goddess ever.
AlexFlame116
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Pretty sure that originally, the logo was meant to correspond with Etro.
To that point the episode duscae ending shows the "figure" in the logo as benevolent and holy rather than villainous. Also, looks like a woman (although... angels and japan, so idk)
Yeah that's what I've been thinking. I always thought it was supposed to be the goddess or one of the females. I just heard the other rumors here once.
theSlacker
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Neg. I'm not arguing that since it isn't something that really bothered me because of the situation of the lore team's involvement and input into the localization team's work. I'm saying that I could see the point of view of the people that did have a problem with it because the changes were noticeable even with that in mind, and even though I don't really agree. It was a direct response to your statement here;
because, again, I find it really easy to see how/why people would complain about it, even if I don't agree with them.
Neg. Worried about the FF15 localization since I don't think that is the case here, in contrast to FF14 where changes didn't bother me because of the writers had their input. Sorry if I worded it poorly.
dragonzdogma
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Where can I find information about the magic targeting system?
Has it been updated from the PD?
Is it still as hard as throwing a pokeball?
I've seen contextual magic being used, so that's kinda cool.
Has it been updated from the PD?
Is it still as hard as throwing a pokeball?
I've seen contextual magic being used, so that's kinda cool.
PshycoNinja
Member
Lol.
Apparently, now it tracks and auto-aims if you're soft-locked onto an enemy. Just tap the button and it will always go the enemy you've targeted, or hold and manually aim.
dragonzdogma
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rayman1900
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DiipuSurotu
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I found Doomtrain:
Isn't that a boat? I see a mast on the right.
rayman1900
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Yeah, it's doomtrain, when he was just a boat, okayyyyy! Because we all know that countless centuries ago in Eos, train did not exist ! lol
rayman1900
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Then why a boat would be in that painting in the first place... and why would it be traversing the clouds ?! I mean, it's clearly a hint that doomtrain is an hidden summon in the game imo
MoonsaultSlayer
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Is that gonna be Diablos on the left hugging the mermaid?
rayman1900
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I think it's Bahamut, he looks like the same as the cosmogony book, with the hairs and all, and only Bahamut was confirmed as a summon by that same cosmogony book.
Yeah, most likely Bahamut:
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Soon... Soon we will be playing the FUTURE of Final Fantasy... XV, folks! It's almost here. 
Dude, am I confusing you with someone else or were you working on FFXV in Q&A?^^Soon... Soon we will be playing the FUTURE of Final Fantasy... XV, folks! It's almost here.
Yeah, considering how different the English and Japanese scripts are already from what we've seen.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
XII and XIV have God-awful faux-Shakespeare localization. Every time I hear the word selfsame or Godsdamn I die a little. War of the Lions was slightly less offensive, but in the same camp. It's right up there with the punny DQ localizations for me. Just play it straight. Straight does not equal boring.
/opinions
It's why I'm really glad XV has dual audio, since its translation seems a little iffy, too.
/opinions
It's why I'm really glad XV has dual audio, since its translation seems a little iffy, too.
PshycoNinja
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Q&A?
XIV is also very different from it's Japanese script. Come on...
XV retains character motivations and personalities well. It's as close to the Japanese script as one could realistically hope for.
Edit: My argument here is that every localized game has changes done to them when being localized. XV's changes are very minor in comparison to other FF games. The changes aren't egregious, and don't negatively affect the game.
MoonsaultSlayer
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I'm not caught up in the lore or demos or most previews so I didn't even know what this was.
But now I want a real edition. I wish I didn't go reading fan theories after Google searching that. Now I'm even more hyped!
Crossing Eden
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It's the best medium for interactive storytelling.
I mean I did give evidence that the acting wasn't very good. The more we accept mediocre acting the less chances are that it'll improve. :/
The word interactive is directly against storytelling. The best story I experienced is always when the author dictate the experience.
It doesn't have to be. That's why some games are more linear than others. Personally, when a game hits all the right buttons, from gameplay to story, it gives me a level of immersion beyond what I get from tv/movies/books. And I might not be in the majority, but a big part of the reason I play games is for the story.
Lol, oops. I meant "QA". Just checked your LinkedIn. Impressive! Hope there's some stuff you're allowed to talk about after the game's outQ&A?
Mediking
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I've been gone too. I havent read anything or watched any media for FFXV at all recently.
The thing with this line of thinking is that it ignores the potential uses of video games for narrative purposes. Due to shear length and the fact that you are playing it, relationship context and environmental context are greatly enhanced
You also seem to think cutscenes can't be magnified with gameplay pre or post the cutscene.
TLOU does this extremely well imo. The scene where
Joel is bleeding out and you have to stumble you're way out of the University
David capturing and wanting to eat Ellie.
And don't even get me started on the end with the doctors. Hint:
You didn't have to kill them all.
The key to storytelling in video games is using the time the game gives you and the interactivity of things to give crazy good amounts of context and understanding. Because of this, the potential in depth of a game storyline is basically limitless.
The problem is that most games tend not to do it all that well. There have been some great game narratives, but I wouldn't judge someone if they said that movie or graphic novel or animation storytelling is better. Its expected; those media have been around much much longer and have expectations and easily teachable (if hard to master) tools to make good storytelling. Gaming is much harder if only due to the shear scope and potential for differentiation you could have in your storytelling needs. (a perfect example to contrast TLOU would be something like Tomas Was Alone which chose to have it narrative be done via Narration, but was supplemented and expounded upon by the player's actions in the levels.
Basically what I'm saying is that Gaming actually is the strongest medium for storytelling and narratives, but its really quite hard and most devs drop the ball.
You should try playing Life is Strange.
I mean, that really isn't evidence as it is your subjective opinion. There are things objectively not good in your example, like the syncing/dialogue matching the animations, or perhaps the dialogue itself (why is Gladio telling Noct to calm down when all Noct was doing was whining?). But, the voice acting itself seemed decent to me (and to others it seems "good"). But when you say mediocre, I feel that you mean less than decent. And sure, I guess no one accepted anything less than great, than we'd perhaps have better voice acting in all games.
MagnaderAlpha
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My guess is that
Ifrit has joined Ardyn/Niflheim's side and has betrayed the other Astrals. If you look at that one painting from the end of Episode Duscae, you'll notice that all other Astrals are accounted for (Ramuh, Titan, Shiva, Bahamut and Leviathan), except for Ifrit. There might've been a sort of rift between the five and Ifrit. Hell, another theory is that Ardyn IS Ifrit (as they said the Astrals could take human form).
The funny thing some overlooked with the Ifrit battle is that some(I'm sure others have picked this up) believe you are fighting him in the throne room. Nah, it is in front of the castle(where you fight the Iron Giant in the Platinum Demo). His throne is on the Regis Memorial platform. Way to disrespect Noctis's daddy, Iffy!
The funny thing some overlooked with the Ifrit battle is that some(I'm sure others have picked this up) believe you are fighting him in the throne room. Nah, it is in front of the castle(where you fight the Iron Giant in the Platinum Demo). His throne is on the Regis Memorial platform. Way to disrespect Noctis's daddy, Iffy!
It's Bahamut hugging Leviathan. As I noted above, Ifrit isn't there. Hmmmm....
theSlacker
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Yappadappadu
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Is there also a roundup for all the other characters appearing on that painting/picture? For example in the background, are these former kings?
YankeeDonB
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I liked this discussion of the combat from J. Parrish. I feel he always gets it re modern FF combat systems.
His emphasis on playing it as tactical action (relying on warping, phasing, team work, and wait mode) as opposed to straight action resonates with my experience with Duscae, incomplete though it was.
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/final-fantasy-xv-travel-diary-day-two-force-your-way
His emphasis on playing it as tactical action (relying on warping, phasing, team work, and wait mode) as opposed to straight action resonates with my experience with Duscae, incomplete though it was.
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/final-fantasy-xv-travel-diary-day-two-force-your-way
Part 2 of USGamer's preview, focusing on the combat:
Final Fantasy XV Travel Diary, Day Two: Force Your Way
- An in-depth look at Final Fantasy XV's combat system, and how it's improved from the early demos.
Final Fantasy XV Travel Diary, Day Two: Force Your Way
- An in-depth look at Final Fantasy XV's combat system, and how it's improved from the early demos.
It's possible to play it as a pure, real-time action game... but I don't recommend it. Combat can be hectic, and not necessarily in a good way. Enemies don't have as many tells on their actions as in a good action game like Bayonetta, and they have a tendency to gang up on Noctis. You can make use of defensive phasing, but FFXV doesn't quite come together as an action game... which is fine. It's an RPG, and despite the enormous shift in its underlying design philosophy from previous games in the series, I've found myself surprised by how much it evokes classic Final Fantasy. It's a nebulous thing, the idea of "feel" and "fidelity," but there's more of it here than I would have anticipated.
AlexFlame116
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But again it's your opinion though disguised as a fact. I'm not going to argue with you about this because I know at the end you'll win since you have more time to find evidence to back you up. Also if we only accepted superior acting and never gave the newbies a shot then we would have Nolan North, Troy Baker, and Laura Bailey (and others) voice everyone.
I'll be honest here and say that I don't really care about good and bad voice acting that much compared to others. True there is a limit for me but this game hasn't reached it yet.
EDIT: But we're derailing this thread so I should probably stop sorry guys!
YankeeDonB
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Ha, I beat you to the punch Koozek! A rare occurrence indeed...
Yabberwocky
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That Gladio/Noctis scene is really frustrating, especially as both Ignis and Gladio had started to sound a bit more natural around the Titan segment. The dialogue in that scene is clunky, the acting is stilted, and dialogue doesn't have a natural flow. Noctis has some nice subtle face animation going on there, so it's even more jarring. I really like the cast they've assembled (and how passionate the actors all are about the game!), but I'm still really surprised this is the quality level on a mainline FF. I don't know if it's a localized directorial issue, or what - even Matthew Mercer sounds really stilted as Cor, and that's Matthew Mercer! He could voice every character in the game, and make it sound believable. (I finally got my shit together and started watching Critical Role, he's a literal wizard.) Positively, though, the more clunkier delivery is an issue I've only really had with Noctis/Gladio/Ignis/Cor. Prompto/Regis/Ardyn sound great, Cindy is fun, and I like Luna and Iris in English more than their Japanese counterparts. Kari Wahlgren as Aranea should be amazing.
Yeah, absolutely agree with both of those comments. I'm also really looking forward to seeing what Tabata has in store with FFXV in that regard, as he always tries to do something interesting with player interactivity. I wasn't a fan of Crisis Core and Type-0 story and character-wise for the most part, but both games tried to do interesting things for player interaction with the story via gameplay mechanics. Playing through the ending of Crisis Core in particular was extremely memorable due to how it integrated gameplay mechanics into the story. I bawled my way through it in Japanese version, aaaaaand then had the same reaction replaying it in English.
I'm still heartbroken, lawd.
Of course. A game pretty strips away almost any player input. The game is basically a TV series. You might as well recommend Her Story.
AlexFlame116
Member
Is the game bad or does it have a Mass Effect 3 style ending?
YankeeDonB
Member
Strong knuckles out - Noct's martial training showing trough even in moments of emotional turmoil.