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AMERICAN HORROR STORY: Coven |OT| When witches don't fight, we burn....

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aku:jiki

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How has the conflict seriously escalated? We got each group sending the other a head in a box and a witch hunter who hasn't even done anything yet.
Team Voodoo did launch the zombie attack which gave us one of the best scenes this season with Zoe being not useless. But, yeah, this season has been slow-going and confusing and I feel like I've completely lost touch with the plot. Is there even one?

I mean, I enjoy it for all the random shit that goes on and that's enough for me, but this episode really made me sit up and ask myself what the point of this season is. I'm not one to always push for plot progression and can just enjoy my hour with characters I like, but this season is really pushing it for me. Something (that makes sense) needs to start happening.
 

xaosslug

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If he was gay though, why would his mom forbid him from going shirtless around girls?

because she's a bible freak prude? I would assume any outward display of sexuality would be frowned upon, and all (over)reaction stemming from just 'sex' period as apposed to her being strictly homophobic.

anyway, I'm more thinking Luke is a male witch and RM is 'borrowing' from Carrie w/ his Luke side-story...

but, I do find it odd that there has been no hint of homosexual peeps in this season, considering the past 2.

How many more episodes?

4, I think they do 12eps a season.
 

Bladenic

Member
I was surprisingly bored last night. The pacing and writing was all over the place. Direction was sloppy in some scenes as well. First bad episode of the season.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
She wants him to be straight, and he would still need to maintain his modesty.

because she's a bible freak prude? I would assume any outward display of sexuality would be frowned upon, and all (over)reaction stemming from just 'sex' period as apposed to her being strictly homophobic.

I guess you're right.

But, yeah, this season has been slow-going and confusing and I feel like I've completely lost touch with the plot. Is there even one?

Exactly. What even is the plot this season?
 

inm8num2

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Not digging this season as much as Asylum.

Among things others have discussed, for some reason the art design of the present day scenes (nearly all-white) just come across as sterile, and that's how I'm feeling about the season in general. It feels very hollow or bored. Some interesting things, but I just don't care who the next supreme is. I'd love to see more Laveau scenes, though,
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Not digging this season as much as Asylum.

Among things others have discussed, for some reason the art design of the present day scenes (nearly all-white) just come across as sterile, and that's how I'm feeling about the season in general. It feels very hollow or bored. Some interesting things, but I just don't care who the next supreme is. I'd love to see more Laveau scenes, though,

Asylum was so balls to the wall crazy that you couldn't help but be entertained.

The last few episodes of Coven have been so dull - I wish Laveau would come to Hogwarts and kill everyone in the cast except Bates, Misty, and Myrtle, then have them join the voodoos and end the season with a climactic battle against a coven of walrus' at the end or something.
 

kaskade

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The whole reviving and pretty much being able to do anything kind of kills the show a bit. I don't feel any real sense of danger when everyone seems to just get fixed up.
 

Replicant

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I think the show is kind of losing direction atm. I don't know where they are going with this? But I do hope Nan is the Supreme.
 
It may seem that the show is losing direction or slowing down, but I tend to feel that we as the viewer are being given hints that will tie everything together fairly nicely like a bow. Much like the previous seasons had things that went unanswered for quite a while during story arcs, and at times a lack of action I feel this season is the same.

I'm starting to suspect that the neighbor's son may harbor some kind of power, that would be the perfect time to introduce a group of male witches or warlocks. I also am starting to suspect that the supreme could be Queenie or Myrtle.
 

Marvel

could never
Ahh man it's getting worse imo, it started off great but the zombie episode and now that Axe man one I didn't really enjoy.
 
I kind of expected something to happen by now. Season One had little nuggets spread throughout to keep you interested in the house and Season Two was completely insane all the way through. I thought the show was going to get interesting after Angela Bassett summoned a horde of zombies to kill all the witches but somehow that didn't really go anywhere.

This barely feels like the same show as the last two seasons
 

Matt_

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The whole reviving and pretty much being able to do anything kind of kills the show a bit. I don't feel any real sense of danger when everyone seems to just get fixed up.

Yeah I get that feeling
Everyone either being immortal or getting revived just means that a death is pretty much irrelevant and just a matter of time waiting for them to be brought back. Aint nobody got time for infinite respawn

Still not sure how nobody else knows about Frankenkyle. I mean he is living in the damn house how has nobody stumbled upon him. Also, Myrtle mentioned that the power of resurgence was the hardest gift or something and Zoe + Madison both brought him back. Definitely setting her up to be the supreme
 
Not digging this season as much as Asylum.

Among things others have discussed, for some reason the art design of the present day scenes (nearly all-white) just come across as sterile, and that's how I'm feeling about the season in general. It feels very hollow or bored. Some interesting things, but I just don't care who the next supreme is. I'd love to see more Laveau scenes, though,

With the absolute best opening intro I've seen, I hoped for the same. But yea, I agree. I had high hopes for Coven, but I really think placing it in modern times was a bad idea. Salem would have been the most perfect setting. Or even the fleeing of the coven to New Orleans, and have the start of the voodoo/coven conflict ripe for the picking. Setting it in period would have been so fucking good. The art design is just so flat, especially when I'm reminded of all the potential with the folklore, and the god-awesome intro.
 

Eppy Thatcher

God's had his chance.
As much as I love JLange i was really ... REALLY hoping they would just finish her up and either have her be a ghost or some shit or be totally done with her. She is definitely the best presence on the show but i'm fucking ready for something to happen already. Give up a new supreme and lets make with the black magic already... of course that's gonna be the last 30 minutes of the last episode.

Still enjoying this season far and above Asylum. I'm beginning to feel Magato'd up in here with the crazy pills as apparently i'm the only one who could not stand the retardation of Asylums writing/plot.
 

kirblar

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S2 had a lot of threads that were started and weaved throughout the show. You could tell that everything was pretty planned out in terms of arcs/start times - they wound down all the threads in the last 3-4 episodes so that they didn't have to cram it all into one place.

Here, there's just kinda a bunch of stuff happening and the structure just doesn't seem to be there.
 
S2 had a lot of threads that were started and weaved throughout the show. You could tell that everything was pretty planned out in terms of arcs/start times - they wound down all the threads in the last 3-4 episodes so that they didn't have to cram it all into one place.

Here, there's just kinda a bunch of stuff happening and the structure just doesn't seem to be there.
I see a plot and many plotlines/conflicts and most of the characters on this show are pretty well fleshed out. I found the past two episodes to be a bit slow and boring and this episode to be more exciting. However I'm becoming increasingly aware that this show is spinning its wheels. A lot happens in an episode only for 80% of it to be undone in future episodes. We have this big ploy by Fiona getting Myrtle and Madison killed. They undo those deaths and have a revenge plot setup only for it to culminate in a failed attempt and Fiona congratulating them on the attempt as she continues trying to find the next supreme so she can kill her which is what she's been doing since day 1. Multiple episodes of buildup and twists only for nothing to change in the end. Congrats you killed Spaulding, Zoe! Now he's an all seeing ghost who can now speak directly to Fiona without anyone else noticing. Lets not forget the snail pacing of Kyle's arc and the boring Madison/Zoey/Kyle triangle.

I do like the episodes and there is still a lot of fun. The season has a very unique pacing but at times its frustrating because overall arcs just seem to be going in circles.
 

Bladenic

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With the absolute best opening intro I've seen, I hoped for the same. But yea, I agree. I had high hopes for Coven, but I really think placing it in modern times was a bad idea. Salem would have been the most perfect setting. Or even the fleeing of the coven to New Orleans, and have the start of the voodoo/coven conflict ripe for the picking. Setting it in period would have been so fucking good. The art design is just so flat, especially when I'm reminded of all the potential with the folklore, and the god-awesome intro.

Absolutely. The opening is incredible and the show has delivered exactly nothing on the level of the opening. Huge shame.
 

KuroNeeko

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I just finished episode 4 (Halloween 1) from the first season and I still have no idea what is going on.

This show is such a tease.
 

antonz

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Season is very disappointing for sure. So little has actually really happened. The characters haven't been compelling. It says something when the evil racist is probably one of the better overall characters as far as everything from personality to character development.

Modern Day setting as others have said I think just destroyed any potential.
 

Escape Goat

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what other tropes could they do? Frankenstein was explored with Asylum. We have haunted house and witches now. I doubt they have the budget to do a period piece like back in the middle ages.
 

Weapxn

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I think it'd be sort of interesting if they went a traditional serial killer route. Base all of the horrors more in real life -- do away with a bit, if not all, of the supernatural. I'd find that a hell of a lot more scary than some of the bullshit from this season or last.

Regardless of what they do, I just hope they never go back to aliens.
 

Escape Goat

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vampires are probably played out by now. I don't think they could drop the supernatural angle of the show because thats pretty much been the constant in the show. Unfortunately that angle has reached cartoony effect this season.
 

RatskyWatsky

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Killer animals, aliens, American folklore monsters, any sort of period piece (Old West is a likely setting considering they're thinking about Santa Fe as their next location), they could do fantasy horror or sci fi horror, etc. There are still tons of things left for them to do for years to come.
 
Last episode was *extremely* poor so I understand the negativity right now. For the first 10 minutes, I was questioning whether I had missed an episode or something.

Still, I'm going to continue to hope that they can pull something off in the last half of the season. I really enjoyed the ending of Coven.

what other tropes could they do? Frankenstein was explored with Asylum. We have haunted house and witches now. I doubt they have the budget to do a period piece like back in the middle ages.

I personally would love a space horror. Might be out of there zone but it would certainly shake things up a bit.

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The fact that there aren't really any space procedurals on tv right now would make me love this even more.
 

Snake

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I personally would love a space horror. Might be out of there zone but it would certainly shake things up a bit.

After reading this I pictured Taissa Farmiga in space and had a little chuckle. Then I remembered that we might just get that if those rumors are true and she gets cast in the new Star Wars.

Then there was no more laughter. And the horror was all too real.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
After reading this I pictured Taissa Farmiga in space and had a little chuckle. Then I remembered that we might just get that if those rumors are true and she gets cast in the new Star Wars.

Then there was no more laughter. And the horror was all too real.

In space no one can hear you try to act.
 

Escape Goat

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I wish this season was actually set back in Salem. Tituba could have been a leader of voodoo cult or something crazy, converting salem youth or whatever. I suppose race politics would be tough to navigate here. I just wish the season about witches was half as scary as Asylum (or Horror House).
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I wish this season was actually set back in Salem. Tituba could have been a leader of voodoo cult or something crazy, converting salem youth or whatever. I suppose race politics would be tough to navigate here. I just wish the season about witches was half as scary as Asylum (or Horror House).

Or better yet, have two mini seasons in one - A 6 episode period piece set in Salem (with Delphine and LaLaurie) followed by 6 episodes set in 2013 showing the modern day coven.
 
I think this season could potentially end up being worse than Murder House.

I'm not saying it will, but the trajectory it has been on the past few episodes is not promising. In any case, it's definitely a considerable step down from Asylum.

We're not getting anything informative or interesting to fill in the blanks that still remain. Why are witchcraft and voodoo at war? Why, exactly, did Fiona resurrect Delphine? Why is resurrected Kyle severely mentally handicapped while all of the other resurrected characters seem to have their intellects intact? What does the supreme really do?

The rules of magic in this world are hazy and only getting hazier. The characters lack any sort of logical motivations. It's just a mess, and it's not even a particularly fun mess anymore.

It's a shame, because I think the season turned out a string of about three really great episodes. But ever since that big zombie conflict ended, it has been little more than inane wheel-spinning.
 
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