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AMERICAN HORROR STORY: Coven |OT| When witches don't fight, we burn....

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RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
Apparently there are going to be a bunch of
deaths_________
in tonight's episode.
Like that even means anything at this point.

I think this season could potentially end up being worse than Murder House.

I think so too. The season started out strong, but these last few episodes have been pretty damn bad. And not a crazy outrageous entertaining train wreck bad like Murder House, but just a sort of bland, uneventful, boring bad.

I'm not saying it will, but the trajectory it has been on the past few episodes is not promising. In any case, it's definitely a considerable step down from Asylum.

Let's hope tonight's fall finale acts as a satanic revival ritual to the show's lifeless corpse.
 
I think this season could potentially end up being worse than Murder House.

I'm not saying it will, but the trajectory it has been on the past few episodes is not promising. In any case, it's definitely a considerable step down from Asylum.

We're not getting anything informative or interesting to fill in the blanks that still remain. Why are witchcraft and voodoo at war? Why, exactly, did Fiona resurrect Delphine? Why is resurrected Kyle severely mentally handicapped while all of the other resurrected characters seem to have their intellects intact? What does the supreme really do?

The rules of magic in this world are hazy and only getting hazier. The characters lack any sort of logical motivations. It's just a mess, and it's not even a particularly fun mess anymore.

It's a shame, because I think the season turned out a string of about three really great episodes. But ever since that big zombie conflict ended, it has been little more than inane wheel-spinning.

I think in regards to Kyle it's all about inexperience, and it being a messy, archaic ritual that was performed. Misty has her powers refined.

I am starting to fear the worst for this season as well. Lots of holes; visually uninteresting and dull.

I hope they wrap it up nicely as to why they had to kill of a handful of the cast and bring them back.

A witch hunting corporation now? Why was that not introduced earlier. There's a huge outside threat that could have been revealed much sooner.
 
So far so good...

Just wish the previous plotlines didn't come to this. But I'm willing to move on if they make it interesting/exciting.

I'm trying to come to terms with the lack of inspired visual direction.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
What happened when the boy that Nan likes woke up? TV went out for a few moments and I missed that. I did catch Angela Bassett going to Finoa's Convent house meanwhile.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Oh shit. I seriously hope we see more of her and her come-uppidence then.
 
Something about those hospital scenes just seems off. That church lady is all of a sudden ok with the witches? Also, I really have a hard time understanding Nan.

Queenie/Delphine scenes were just bad. Gabby is not a great actress.

So Cordelia is healed and loses her power and Kyle is miraculously healed. What was the point of handicapping them to begin with? And I guess Nan is gonna want to bring that church lady's son back?

I'm looking forward to Fiona and Marie working together.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I'm looking forward to seeing Fiona and Laveau team up next year, but aside from that little development at the end, I thought that this was a really lame episode.

MVP Myrtle's theatrical melon balling, severed feet playing, pun slinging awesomeness notwithstanding.

"Good luck calling the council, I hear they're not seeing anyone right now!"

Something about those hospital scenes just seems off. That church lady is all of a sudden ok with the witches?

Everything about that storyline is a disaster. Good god. Are we supposed to care that the one dimensional non entity son is in a coma? Or when his mom was singing the sad song? Or when she smothered him? There are only 4 episodes left, the time to develop those characters has come and gone. Who gives a shit at this point?

And while I'm at it, were we supposed to care when the witch hunter (the bland dude who they never bothered to develop into an actual character outside of "incompetent witch hunter who is secretly in love with his wife") went into the voodoo salon guns blazing? "Like, oh my god, he killed a bunch of random extras! Whoop de doo! What a thrill!" And he shot them all in the stomach too! Did he really think he'd kill them that way? Sorry bro, but that's not going to cut it. Aim for the head. Ask Queenie, she knows what's up. And why didn't Laveau do something? The fucking Voodoo Queen couldn't stop him? Really? Where was that voodoo doll she was poking him with earlier?

Queenie/Delphine scenes were just bad.

Yeah. We're supposed to believe this crazy ass racist woman (who's been stewing in hate for centuries) is going to suddenly change her views after watching a civil rights montage with a sad song played over? lol

So Cordelia is healed and loses her power and Kyle is miraculously healed. What was the point of handicapping them to begin with? And I guess Nan is gonna want to bring that church lady's son back?

There are no stakes this season. Nothing that happens even means anything.
 

Blackhead

Redarse
Best episode by far (which isn't saying much)
And why didn't Laveau do something? The fucking Voodoo Queen couldn't stop him? Really? Where was that voodoo doll she was poking him with earlier?



Yeah. We're supposed to believe this crazy ass racist woman (who's been stewing in hate for centuries) is going to suddenly change her views after watching a civil rights montage with a sad song played over? lol



There are no stakes this season. Nothing that happens even means anything.

Whoa, so much wrong here. It's already well established that the voodo doesnt just happen immediately, it needs some preparation and setup. Demanding that Laveau have the doll right at hand to handle a surprise attack is nasty nitpicking.

Queenie already changed Delphine's views before that final song...

I'd have agreed with your last line before tonight but I'd say the stakes just got raised significantly. Just because a character can't die doesn't mean there are consequences (as seen with Delphine). There is stuff worse than dying. I'm interested to see how the witch hunters are brought into play in the final episodes.

By the way, the Kyle thing makes no sense. He snapped the dog's neck and then she hires him?! wtf?
 

Fantastical

Death Prophet
Everything about that storyline is a disaster. Good god. Are we supposed to care that the one dimensional non entity son is in a coma? Or when his mom was singing the sad song? Or when she smothered him? There are only 4 episodes left, the time to develop those characters has come and gone. Who gives a shit at this point?

YES. I wanted to fast forward through that bullshit. The revelation that the woman killed her husband felt completely irrelevant. Who gives a shit about that? What does that have to do with anything?
 

Waikis

Member
Best episode by far (which isn't saying much)

Whoa, so much wrong here. It's already well established that the voodo doesnt just happen immediately, it needs some preparation and setup. Demanding that Laveau have the doll right at hand to handle a surprise attack is nasty nitpicking.

Queenie already changed Delphine's views before that final song...

I'd have agreed with your last line before tonight but I'd say the stakes just got raised significantly. Just because a character can't die doesn't mean there are consequences (as seen with Delphine). There is stuff worse than dying. I'm interested to see how the witch hunters are brought into play in the final episodes.

By the way, the Kyle thing makes no sense. He snapped the dog's neck and then she hires him?! wtf?

Kyle is just a braindead frankenstein and he accidentally snapped the dog due to his strength. Fiona saw the potential in him as a guard dog and 'fixed' him up a little bit.
 

antonz

Member
The Whole Delphine thing is a mess. It's like they realized halfway through they changed her too much and made her sympathetic so they went in reverse to try and make her all super racist again so people would hate her again
 

Blackhead

Redarse
The Whole Delphine thing is a mess. It's like they realized halfway through they changed her too much and made her sympathetic so they went in reverse to try and make her all super racist again so people would hate her again

Delphine timeline:
brought out of coffin -> superracist
servant to Queenie -> challenges to racist asumptions
saved by Queenie -> not so racist
betrayed by Queenie -> back to racist anger, wants to die
'saved' again (from being melted and suicide thoughts) and 'rehabilitated' by Queenie -> not so racist

It's far from perfect but there's character growth and progression through the season
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
So I guess now it's girls vs. boys. Not that surprising considering every male character this season is psychotic or a sextoy.
Not like the women have been angels themselves.


I can't believe we're getting a month-long break for the final few episodes. That's just idiotic. Damn FX.
 
Another terrible fucking episode.

I found that ending - with the massacre at Cornrow City juxtaposed with images from the Civil Rights Movement - horribly crass and offensive. And I'm not even black.

(Let me guess: Queenie is going to be the one dead person they don't resurrect.)

But other than that, who really gave a shit about Luke and his crazy mother? She killed his father? Are we supposed to care?
 

Matt_

World's #1 One Direction Fan: Everyone else in the room can see it, everyone else but you~~~
AKSHDAWKC
the scene were la laurie was made to watch roots then started singing some random song had me SCREAMING. The sound I made while laughing honestly shocked me

It was a good episode, Myrtle eyeballing the council members was absolutely disgusting and took me by complete surprise but it was great to watch
 

Trigger

Member
Very blah episode. I didn't really care for Cordelia's husband or his motivations, and I'm a bit disappointed that they've killed off most (all?) of the voodoo witches. This season feels so disjointed.
 
We're not getting anything informative or interesting to fill in the blanks that still remain. Why are witchcraft and voodoo at war? Why, exactly, did Fiona resurrect Delphine? Why is resurrected Kyle severely mentally handicapped while all of the other resurrected characters seem to have their intellects intact? What does the supreme really do?

I feel like all of these questions have been answered in pretty overt ways throughout the series:

The Voodoo witches believe their spells were stolen from them during the slave era. Though it seems to be more a matter of Laveau hating white folks for what she's witnessed throughout history, especially the acts perpetrated by Delphine. This was made apparent when one of the hairdressers was more sympathetic to the coven only to be shot down by Laveau, mirroring the scene in the 60s where a young hairdresser let their kid go to a mixed school at Laveau's protest only to have him ending up lynched.

Fiona resurrect Delphine in hopes of finding the secret to her humanity.

Kyle's essentially Frankenstein's monster produced by two amateur witches with no power in resurgence, everyone else who's been brought back have been resurrected as themselves by Misty who is so powerful Myrtle believes that she's the next supreme.

The supreme leads the coven; uniting and protecting them from threats, teaching them to control their powers. It's been stated multiple time Fiona has been a terrible supreme thus it's never really been seen in the show.

I don't think the shows perfect; I think it's good schlock with some interesting character dynamics, an original backdrop, and some great moments. However I don't get the feeling any of these questions are actually blanks that need to be filled. I feel the same about the character motivations, I'd agree that the rules of magic aren't made totally clear I don't think they need to be.

But other than that, who really gave a shit about Luke and his crazy mother? She killed his father? Are we supposed to care?

I should care because Nan clearly cares about him and I find her to be one of the most likeable character in the show. However Misty's knack for resurrecting anybody that's died makes it hard to.

Anyway I enjoyed last nights episode, mostly due to there finally being some form of progression and Myrtle getting shit done in horrendous ways. The last scene went over the top in exploitation but the show going over the top is one of the reasons that I like watching it. Also I'm left wondering if Cordelia's faking the loss of her new power.
 
I feel like all of these questions have been answered in pretty overt ways throughout the series:

The Voodoo witches believe their spells were stolen from them during the slave era. Though it seems to be more a matter of Laveau hating white folks for what she's witnessed throughout history, especially the acts perpetrated by Delphine. This was made apparent when one of the hairdressers was more sympathetic to the coven only to be shot down by Laveau, mirroring the scene in the 60s where a young hairdresser let their kid go to a mixed school at Laveau's protest only to have him ending up lynched.

Fiona resurrect Delphine in hopes of finding the secret to her humanity.

Kyle's essentially Frankenstein's monster produced by two amateur witches with no power in resurgence, everyone else who's been brought back have been resurrected as themselves by Misty who is so powerful Myrtle believes that she's the next supreme.

The supreme leads the coven; uniting and protecting them from threats, teaching them to control their powers. It's been stated multiple time Fiona has been a terrible supreme thus it's never really been seen in the show.

I don't think the shows perfect; I think it's good schlock with some interesting character dynamics, an original backdrop, and some great moments. However I don't get the feeling any of these questions are actually blanks that need to be filled. I feel the same about the character motivations, I'd agree that the rules of magic aren't made totally clear I don't think they need to be.

Maybe I'm just not perceptive enough, but I feel like very little of this has actually been made clear (especially the bolded). And I've watched most of the episodes twice. I get why Marie hates white people in general, but I don't feel like they've properly explained why she hates witches, and why witches hate her. This is obviously a conflict with a long history, but we've been given very little of it. And I find that problematic this late in the game.

And from what I can tell, Fiona seems to have resurrected Delphine just to piss off Marie and incite a war with her voodoo clan. Are you suggesting that Fiona resurrected Delphine as some sort of benevolent act? Because I don't see that at all.
 
Maybe I'm just not perceptive enough, but I feel like very little of this has actually been made clear (especially the bolded). And I've watched most of the episodes twice. I get why Marie hates white people in general, but I don't feel like they've properly explained why she hates witches, and why witches hate her. This is obviously a conflict with a long history, but we've been given very little of it. And I find that problematic this late in the game.

And from what I can tell, Fiona seems to have resurrected Delphine just to piss off Marie and incite a war with her voodoo clan. Are you suggesting that Fiona resurrected Delphine as some sort of benevolent act? Because I don't see that at all.
Fiona unburied Delphine cuz she wanted to find out her secret to immortality. She then tried to use Delphine as a bargaining chip to force Marie Laveau to make her an immortality potion. This was all pretty clearly outlined in the first few episodes.
 
Fiona unburied Delphine cuz she wanted to find out her secret to immortality. She then tried to use Delphine as a bargaining chip to force Marie Laveau to make her an immortality potion. This was all pretty clearly outlined in the first few episodes.

Touche.

Though at this point, I'm struggling to see a purpose to Delphine, as enjoyable as Kathy Bates is in the role. Unfortunately everyone sticks around in this season, even when they're dead.
 
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