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AMERICAN HORROR STORY: Coven |OT| When witches don't fight, we burn....

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Taruranto

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Murder House was easily the weakest. They were still finding their sea legs.

I don't get the hate for Murder House. :(

It gave us a nice setting, some cool backstory, a good Lange, some great scene (no, I'm not talking about the masturbation scene only) and the story had a direction.

Compared to it, Coven story is like a train that splits into 5, with each train taking a different direction... only to crash and burn in all of them.
 

Bit-Bit

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I don't get the hate for Murder House. :(

It gave us a nice setting, some cool backstory, a good Lange, some great scene (no, I'm not talking about the masturbation scene only) and the story had a direction.

Compared to it, Coven story is like a train that splits into 5, with each train taking a different direction... only to crash and burn in all of them.

That is the most accurate description of this season.

I feel so disappointed after what could have been. A season about witches, voo doo, and witch hunters. And yet they went nowhere with any of it. They explored every aspect of these things poorly and wasted time on plot lines that just went in circles.

SMH
 

Bladenic

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That is the most accurate description of this season.

I feel so disappointed after what could have been. A season about witches, voo doo, and witch hunters. And yet they went nowhere with any of it. They explored every aspect of these things poorly and wasted time on plot lines that just went in circles.

SMH

Pretty much.

At least Coven gave us that incredible opening.
 
Ultimately what makes Murder House better than Coven is its final act.

Unless Wednesday's finale pulls some real epic shit, Coven's final act has been a complete turd. Murder House, on the other hand, ended its run with some of its strongest episodes.

For all of its weaknesses - and Jesus Christ, did it have a lot of them - Murder House at least showed improvement as the season progressed. Coven peaked at around Episode 4 and has gone steadily downhill since.
 
Murder House had some pretty great episodes. The one where Violet
realizes she's dead
is better than every single episode of Coven combined.
 

LaNaranja

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Murder House was the most focused, which is what was great. Everything was building up to the birth of the child and pretty much everything (with the exception of the Black Dahlia) was at least partially tied into that. Nothing felt rushed and they actually ended up finishing the season with time to spare and had a great epilogue.

Season 2 had a lot more plots but they resolved everything and spent two episodes on the epilogue.

This is the first time we are not getting an epilogue, they are still rushing to finish the plot.
 
There is much evidence to support Zoe's supremacy, having potentially demonstrated at least four of the Seven Wonders; nearly as many as Madison. She may have manifested Pyrokinesis as early as the first episode. When she thought she was going to be stabbed by the other girls, the candle flames reacted. Outside of Misty, Zoe was the first of the witches to be able to bring life back to the dead (Resurgence), resurrecting Kyle when spells failed. She subconsciously undid Marie Laveau's voodoo magic, returning her zombies to their original lifeless state (Vitalum Vitalis) and casting her to the ground. Whatever she did was enough to surprise Marie Laveau; who claimed the witches have some real power in the Academy (now). Zoe also subconsciously chose the right book to expel the Axe Man's ghost, having being unknowingly led to the Ouija Board that both summoned him and revealed Madison's fate in the same episode. Finally, she has demonstrated Telekinesis, summoning a knife to stab the Axe Man in the penultimate episode.

Arguably, it would be fitting to close with Zoe's ascension to supremacy. She has championed the coven and tried the hardest to unite the witches. The series opened with Fiona's sickness and the first manifestation of Zoe's power. When Zoe arrived at the Academy, the others appeared to have been living there for some time before her arrival, increasing the chances that she was responsible for instigating Fiona's illness. There has certainly been enough foreshadowing for it not to come left field.

Me and my sister had this long conversation talking about everything you posted here as to why it could be that Zoe is the obvious supreme but I can't help but shake the feeling that she is too, obvious. There was a huge twist in Asylum that changed the whole show. Ryan just ending it the way we all know, would be so disappointing.

I really want there to be a huge twist that at least saves the season from the train wreck that it's been. Zoe being the Supreme would be lame. She's been utterly boring this whole season and her being supreme is can not be how this end, it can't be her only chance to being the comeback kid with her death crotch.
 
Bloody Disgusting has pictures for the last episode and a new extensive synopsis. *SPOILERS*

Based on the pictures, I'm guessing both Misty and Madison perish during the Seven Wonders. Also, Cordelia's eyes are back to normal.

Misty might die during Descensum because there are pictures of Cordelia crying over her dead body. Madison might be the witch that Queenie, Cordelia and Zoe are watching burn (she tries to kill Zoe). Cordelia might be the new supreme since she has her eyes back.
 

LaNaranja

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Zoe being the Supreme would be lame. She's been utterly boring this whole season and her being supreme is can not be how this end, it can't be her only chance to being the comeback kid with her death crotch.

I totally forgot about this. They really went nowhere with it. Was that "power" ever explained?
 

zeitgeist

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Just binged the whole season aside from the finale obviously.
Can't rank it until the finale but this is how I think it will play out.

Fiona was told she has no soul so maybe Supremes don't have souls for some reason. When Madison died she said there was no afterlife but we have seen that there is at least a type of Hell with Papa Legbo so maybe Madison also does not have a soul which could suggest that she is the next supreme.

I don't know that I like how it feels like the finale will just be about answering the one question about the new Supreme but I'm hoping for some kind of curveball to sum up the season. I think the Asylum finale was absolutely incredible and I don't see how this season could top it but I guess we will see.
 

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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Misty might die during Descensum because there are pictures of Cordelia crying over her dead body. Madison might be the witch that Queenie, Cordelia and Zoe are watching burn (she tries to kill Zoe). Cordelia might be the new supreme since she has her eyes back.

maybe the eye effect is done in post-production, these look like still from the production, not stills from the actual episode.
 

Bladenic

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I totally forgot about this. They really went nowhere with it. Was that "power" ever explained?

Nope. And since I assume she's banged Kyle, it's completely forgotten. Or since he's already been dead, maybe it wouldn't kill him again. I have no idea. Neither do they, probably.
 

3phemeral

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Nope. And since I assume she's banged Kyle, it's completely forgotten. Or since he's already been dead, maybe it wouldn't kill him again. I have no idea. Neither do they, probably.

I'm pretty sure they mentioned that she could bang kyle specifically because he's already dead. But they never really went into detail what "dead" really is. I mean, considering Misty could bring someone back to life, does that mean everyone who's be reanimated is essentially a zombie? If so, what's the point, really?

There's a lot of messiness concerning abilities and drawing the lines between what's considered alive/dead/zombie/ghost. Seems there's no difference whatsoever. With Zoe, they just gave her a magical death cooch and the ability to "revert things to their true state." Which I suppose means that if she wanted, she could turn Kyle/Mrtyle/Madison back to a corpse, right? Or maybe not. They haven't used that ability ever again because it just seems that now everyone has everyone's abilities.
 
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Nope. And since I assume she's banged Kyle, it's completely forgotten. Or since he's already been dead, maybe it wouldn't kill him again. I have no idea. Neither do they, probably.

I think one of the Ryan interviews said that they originally filmed Spaulding being killed via Zoe's magical vagina but they took that scene out for some reason.
 

Nemesis_

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I think one of the Ryan interviews said that they originally filmed Spaulding being killed via Zoe's magical vagina but they took that scene out for some reason.

Spalding had sex with Madison, not Zoe. They took that scene out because they thought it would be too much.

And the whole death vagina thing with regards to Kyle was already explained. :/
 
This is so lame. This season has had minimal great moments and a load of cheese.

Maybe they intended for it to be this way.

Can't wait to be done with it.
Honestly, they're closer to X-Men-style mutants than what one would typically think of as witches.

Exactly, they clearly didn't do their homework in regard to witchcraft. They didn't have to look far. Hell, just research exclusively Crowley if you have to. Not witchcraft, but occult/black magick would have been perfect.
 

Downhome

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While the show is opening, I'm gonna toss this out there. I hope I'm not alone...and hope most of you aren't too young to even know what I'm talking about.

Ever since this show started back at season one, does Lily Rabe remind ANYONE else of Julia Duffy, most notably from the Newhart TV show from the 80s (she played the inn maid, Stephanie Vanderkellen)? Ever since this show started I have felt like they went back in time and brought Julia Duffy to present day to play these new roles.
 

DeadNames

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Did anyone else like last season a lot more? This season is filled with less substance I guess. First time poster BTW. This season was just so... Different. Like the way the music/camera angles worked, last season was so much more orthodox.
 
Did anyone else like last season a lot more? This season is filled with less substance I guess. First time poster BTW. This season was just so... Different. Like the way the music/camera angles worked, last season was so much more orthodox.

I'm severely disappointed with this season on all fronts.
 
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