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Batman AK PC Perf Thread of DARKNESS, NO SETTINGS [30fps cap / intro removal in OP]

UrbanRats

Member
Let's see how they deal with this being the first AAA refundable that is worth to be refunded.

I expect alarms to be ringing right now @ WB hq.

Unfortunately, many didn't bought it off steam, like on GMG or Nuuvem, otherwise i'd bet refunds would be even more severe.
And totally justified, fix your shit next time.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
I did - there's a weird issue on Steam at the moment where the game isn't even showing up in activity, for me or other people (the game doesn't show up on people's profile). I requested a refund by doing it through the 'A purchase' option as suggested by bes.gen above and selecting where I pre-ordered it.

Related activity isn't showing up on Steam Community because the app still has the section_type flag with the value set to ownersonly.
 

dEvAnGeL

Member
PC port being shit means nothing to them if the majority of people are doing what they are saying here, "the game is shit on pc, im buying the ps4" don't do that people, they are still gonna get your money anyway if you do that, send a message by not buying the game, i got the game for free with my card and somehow i feel i was fooled, bought the season pass and im requesting a refund, this is just unacceptable, specially since nvidia promoted this game so heavy, so they expected us to buy graphics cards in the $350 to $650 price range to play this at 30 frames? Im sad more than mad because i really was looking forward to this game, but not like this, not like this......
 

denshuu

Member
The stutter is unreal. Everything at minimum settings on a GTX 670, average framerate is 41 but minimum is 3.

3 frames per second. And that happens like every 10 seconds. Can't play it like this, mayne.
 

dex3108

Member
1080p + everything on low and i can play Batman AK in locked 30FPS with my GTX 760. Oh well at least i can play it and it doesn't look that bad when you are speeding in Batmobile.
 

thuway

Member
Honest question- how much better does the game look on PC? I'm deciding between this and the PS4 version but if the differences aren't stark than I'm going PS4. I really wanted the 60 Hz refresh rate, but my 280X is like "I'm sorry breh".
 

beeswax

Member
Something is either really screwy with the game, or the Windows 10 Batman drivers. ....as soon as I follow the prompt to eject from the Batmobile after disabling the car, my 970 suddenly downclocks the core to 405mhz which causes FPS to drop into the low teens.

I have to restart the computer to fix it. I tried without the overclock, just in case and the same thing happens. The overclock is stable, I don't have troubles in any other game or benchmark.

What you're experiencing here is a TDR - have a look in the System section of Event Viewer and you will see a warning from Display saying "Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered." This is what causes the irreversible downclock to ~400MHz. Only a system reboot will reset that, as you've worked out.

This is either a driver issue (make sure you're on the shiny new Win10 driver) or your card is not stable at the clock you are using. Being stable in other games doesn't make your overclock stable. If it TDR's at stock clocks, consider downclocking to the reference clocks (assuming your card is factory overclocked). If that doesn't help either, I guess you can blame the driver.
 

Evo X

Member
Honest question- how much better does the game look on PC? I'm deciding between this and the PS4 version but if the differences aren't stark than I'm going PS4. I really wanted the 60 Hz refresh rate, but my 280X is like "I'm sorry breh".

PS4 version will be better than 280X
 
PC port being shit means nothing to them if the majority of people are doing what they are saying here, "the game is shit on pc, im buying the ps4" don't do that people, they are still gonna get your money anyway if you do that, send a message by not buying the game, i got the game for free with my card and somehow i feel i was fooled, bought the season pass and im requesting a refund, this is just unacceptable, specially since nvidia promoted this game so heavy, so they expected us to buy graphics cards in the $350 to $650 price range to play this at 30 frames? Im sad more than mad because i really was looking forward to this game, but not like this, not like this......

I wasn't planning on buying the game anyways in the near future but now I'm tempted to buy the game on Steam just to play it 10 Minutes and then refund it immediately to send a message, unfortunately my internet connection is too slow and I value my time too much so I wont.
 
jaysus, 44 pages.


I said a few weeks back I had concerns about how this would perform day one, City was terrible with DX11 and for all the people saying rocksteady have done "Good PC ports before" that is completely inaccurate.

Origins was fantastic on PC, day one it ran very well, even with the nvidia effects on.

I don't think Rock have ever done a decent PC port and even after numerous patches City still runs like ass on PC in DX11, however given the reception of this port I imagine this game will be fixed in no time.

They should have handed the porting to whoever did the PC version of origins.

This is why I held off, I love the batman games but not enough to support a company who thinks releasing a game in this state is acceptable.

You're completely right, it's odd that Origins gets raked over the coals for bugs but it was the far better pc version and I had really good performance on my rig with only the multiplayer crashing and one of the watch towers not working at launch. This sounds much worse than AC because AC still ran decent without DX11 and this by all accounts sounds like it can't even run well without gameworks.
 

XDDX

Member
The stutter is unreal. Everything at minimum settings on a GTX 670, average framerate is 41 but minimum is 3.

3 frames per second. And that happens like every 10 seconds. Can't play it like this, mayne.
Also have a 670 and the stuttering is mostly gone for me after putting the textures on low and everything else on normal with no gameworks stuff.
 

Shari

Member
jaysus, 44 pages.

You're completely right, it's odd that Origins gets raked over the coals for bugs but it was the far better pc version and I had really good performance on my rig with only the multiplayer crashing and one of the watch towers not working at launch. This sounds much worse than AC because AC still ran decent without DX11 and this by all accounts sounds like it can't even run well without gameworks.

I think we can still agree that BAK is the worse in terms of optimization of the four.

So sad.
 
I left the 30 fps cap on, so I get 30 fps. There are occasional hitches when it's obvious there's asset streaming going on but no significant stutters or drops like some people have reported.

I have 2way SLI 980s . Run the game at 4K same as you , 30FPS and the game doesn't even feel smooth. Honestly with Setups that cost thousands this kind of medicore performance is -_-.

Honestly I don't even think the game looks that aesthetically great.
 
i5-2500k @ 4.6
16 GB ram
980 ti bumped up some amount (sorry)

I average 55 fps through the benchmark with everything at max and gameworks on at 1440p

in game, the batmobile sections cause some hitches but the game itself is consistent outside of that

played about 45 minutes, will play more tonight
 
Honest question- how much better does the game look on PC? I'm deciding between this and the PS4 version but if the differences aren't stark than I'm going PS4. I really wanted the 60 Hz refresh rate, but my 280X is like "I'm sorry breh".

ive watched the gamersyde xbone videos, so ill use that as a reference for my current opinion. 1440p affords me a sharper picture, but IQ is still horrific. everything shimmers all the time. gsync makes the fluctuating framerate still better than the locked 30, if i didnt have gsync id definitely just play at 30. i havent played long enough yet to encounter the nvidia smoke and debris effects, but the rain effect is barely noticeable and i havent yet come across the enhanced light shafts. or if i have, the difference is very subtle. if you cant run with the smoke and debris i think you will have a very similar experience to the console versions. oh and dark says the ps4 version doesnt have the streaming lod issues.
 

Zakalwe

Banned
Is this not out in the UK still?

Says it's available on steam, but the icon for launch still says pre-load and I'm getting the download error content encrypted message.

any ideas?
 
Ok, so the bottom line is that PS4 framerate is pretty much the best you will get and even that requires tweaking to make it smooth.

My guide for that:

- Turn off Gameworks stuff, it is broken and will drop your fps significantly, especially in Batmobile sections.
- Unlock the fps as described in the OP
- Force adaptive V-Sync and set pre-rendered frames to 1 in Nvidia control panel.
- Lock fps to 30 via MSI Afterburner. (The game locked to 31 by default for me which caused judder)

Granted, I am playing this on a TV with a controller. I also turned AA off as this is one of the few games that can do without. The blur was just too much. My VRAM usage was around 3,6 max.

GTX970 OC, 3770K, 16GB RAM.

Of course this will not fix the hilarious texture res problems.

Ah scratch that, even with those tips it does not exactly run perfect. :/

Can you post a screenshot of it?

Having the same issues:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169481635&postcount=1806

If this is not in the console versions, then PS4 indeed looks better disregarding gameworks. And also kinda runs better.

Anyway, I am so bored of Batman combat, so I'm not even mad that the port sucks.
 

Qassim

Member
Is this not out in the UK still?

Says it's available on steam, but the icon for launch still says pre-load and I'm getting the download error content encrypted message.

any ideas?

It has been out in the UK since last night, I've been playing it (also UK). Have you tried restarting steam?
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Is this not out in the UK still?

Says it's available on steam, but the icon for launch still says pre-load and I'm getting the download error content encrypted message.

any ideas?

The only countries still waiting are Japan and South Korea.
 

pahamrick

Member
What you're experiencing here is a TDR - have a look in the System section of Event Viewer and you will see a warning from Display saying "Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered." This is what causes the irreversible downclock to ~400MHz. Only a system reboot will reset that, as you've worked out.

This is either a driver issue (make sure you're on the shiny new Win10 driver) or your card is not stable at the clock you are using. Being stable in other games doesn't make your overclock stable. If it TDR's at stock clocks, consider downclocking to the reference clocks (assuming your card is factory overclocked). If that doesn't help either, I guess you can blame the driver.

I'm going to go with it was an issue with the driver. When I first installed the new Win10 drivers, nvidia inspector didn't show that there was an SLI profile available (I know it doesn't actually work.) I ran DDU again, and redownloaded and reinstalled the drivers.

Now it shows the SLI profile bits, and hasn't downclocked since. I just get the crash with the error about the missing files in the exe now.
 

Geoff9920

Member
It's funny how much shit Origins received when it rain considerably better at launch than Arkham Knight is running right now.

WTF Nvidia?! Why would you choose to bundle this unoptimized mess with your new cards? Between this and Farcry 4 "Gameworks" is practically an oxymoron right now.
 

CHC

Member
I also can't help but feel that developers should steer clear of Nvidia's proprietary third party tech. In the last 3 titles that Gameworks has prominently been featured in (Project Cars, Witcher 3, and this) there have been big performance issues for users of both AMD and Nvidia. And yes I know you can "turn off" the Gameworks stuff but it's still PhysX running all the physics, cloth, volumetric fog, etc.

This shit looks great in promotional videos but it always seems to bring big performance issues and all around janky-ness with it. My own observations and opinion obviously, but I think Nvidia should keep their fingers out of the pie in terms of actual game development.
 

Qassim

Member
I also can't help but feel that developers should steer clear of Nvidia's proprietary third party tech. In the last 3 games it's prominently been featured in (Peoject Cars, Witcher 3, and this) there have been big performance issues for users of both AMD and Nvidia. And yes I know you can "turn off" the Gameworks stuff but it's still PhysX running all the physics, cloth, volumetric fog, etc.

This shit looks great in promotional videos but it always seems to bring big performance issues and all around janky-ness with it. My own observations and opinion obviously, but I think Nvidia should keep their fingers out of the pie in terms of actual game development.

Pretty sure there is no Gameworks in Project CARS. They had a marketing deal, but that's it.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
It's a weird situation, though. Did Rocksteady themselves handle this port? I went ahead and bought the PS4 version on disc since it seems like the PC version isn't great (at least for my old 780). I'm stunned at how polished and impressive the game looks on PS4. The frame-rate is very very consistent and the level of detail and effects work is just remarkable. The game seems ready to jump in and out of anything without a single stutter or hiccup. You never see texture pop-in, LOD issues or stuttering of any sort. It just feels totally solid in a way that I didn't think would be possible especially when pushing UE3 in this way. When you first do the antenna scanning thing the game zooms out to show the entire city in a single shot with such a smooth pan that looks so natural. This is all WITHOUT the day 1 patch installed. Straight off the disc this is an insanely polished experience. I hope other developers take note.

The point is, this is the most polished console release we've seen in the last year, I'd say (outside of Nintendo's games), so it's absolutely fucking shocking to me that the PC version is running into so many issues. I'll test it when I get a chance since I have access to the PC version as well. I wonder if some of the issues are related to the way the game streams assets? It seems very aggressive in how quickly it moves between scenes and the pace of the game is very fast. Knowing how UE3 has, in the past, had stuttering and streaming issues on the PC it makes it seem like it's related to those old legacy issues. I suspect it would perform much nicer had they built the game in UE4.


I could not possibly disagree more. It still has some UE3 related issues but, overall, the quality of the visuals here is a massive step up from most other games on the market today. The animation, effects, and ability to transition so smoothly between everything is just incredible. I know some people just want ultra sharp visuals without any post-processing (which I find insane since that's basically moving in the opposite direction of CG) but surely you can appreciate what's going on in this game.

The detail is a generation beyond previous Batman Arkham titles.

Sounds like this was probably made with PS4 as the lead platform (don't know how the XBO version is looking though, haven't heard anything), and then rather shoddily ported over to PC. Kind of the reverse of the TW3 situation. Ok, no, the PS4 version of that isn't shoddy, but it is clearly not as well optimized as this seems to be.

Personally I'm happy that the PS4 version of this seems to be performing as I was hoping TW3 would, but of course it sucks for PC gamers. Hopefully they can fix it up.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
United Kingdom and Other.

Ah, it sounds as though Steam thinks you're in Japan/SK, so I was wondering if your traffic was being rerouted (the box gives up to two options: one based on the region within which you last completed a purchase and another based on your IP). Try seeing if a VPN works (download/install/connect to Spotflux and then restart the client -- unless things have changed, it should still be free, US-based and without session limits).

Is this unlocked in Australia yet?

Yes.
 

Evo X

Member
This game is messing with my memory overclocks. Keeps going between 3900mhz and 3300mhz, even after quitting out of the game. Screen glitches out for a second every time it happens.

Anyone else notice it?
 

Zakalwe

Banned
Ah, it sounds as though Steam thinks you're in Japan/SK, so I was wondering if your traffic was being rerouted (the box gives up to two options: one based on the region within which you last completed a purchase and another based on your IP). Try seeing if a VPN works (download/install/connect to Spotflux and then restart the client -- unless things have changed, it should still be free, US-based and without session limits).



Yes.

Even with the VPN running it's saying the same thing.

Looks like I'll have to download it again?
 
Just completed Arkham City New Game + whilst waiting for this game. This thread is so darn depressing. Such a shame too, both previous Arkham games I played (Asylum and City) ran perfectly, aside from DX11 stuff in AC.
 
Ok I've played for 2 hours now.

I was not monitoring framerates.

I kept the 30fps cap.

980ti + i5 4670, both stock clocks.

The game is definitely playable. Sometimes it's perfectly smooth (at least, as smooth as 30fps can be), other times it will seem to be suffering from microstuttering, or outright large framedrops. There was one point early on when the game basically paused for 1/4 of a second or something but that seems to have been isolated. I've noticed a few framedrops here and there, usually when you are gliding or driving the batmobile quickly.

I don't think this is AC Unity bad, or at least it feels better to me than that game did on my 970 at launch. But it's still bad. I suspect the 30fps cap is to reduce the subjective severity of the framedrops, going 30-25 instead of going 65-25. This game needs another couple of optimization passes on PC, for sure.

Large framedrops even when you have already put a 30 fps cap, with a new and shiny (and expensive) 980ti?? That's sounds worse than AC:Unity, in my experience.
 
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