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Canada Poligaf - The Wrath of Harperland
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It's kinda silly to report results so early, but hey, it's fun
50/7100 polls in. Calling it now...PC super-majority.
ShinRPGamer
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God I hope not.
Yup. 37% right now followed with 29%
ShinRPGamer
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Edmonton is all NDP right now.
ShinRPGamer
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The NDP is predicted to have 48 seats! Who would have thought this would happen in Alberta? I love this right now.
Edit: 52 seats!
Edit: 52 seats!
matthewwhatever
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It'd be more news if it wasn't, I suspect.
Part of me wants to see a PC-Wildrose coalition, if only because Jim Prentice was one of Harper's main anti-coalition spokespeople back in 2008 and it'd be amazing karmic retribution.
ShinRPGamer
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Global is calling an NDP majority.
matthewwhatever
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!!!!
I'm speechless.
I'm speechless.
ShinRPGamer
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I'm loving this right now. The only thing that remains up in the air is whether the Wildrose or PC's will be the opposition.
MeBecomingI
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Good on Alberta for getting their shit together for once!
catpurrcat
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History being made! But watching golden state vs Memphis instead
Seriously though, albertans in here, what prompted this big change? Curious. A friend tells me part of the reason is people feel fiscal pressure (ie cuts) is not being spread evenly between different classes in society. Is that true?
Seriously though, albertans in here, what prompted this big change? Curious. A friend tells me part of the reason is people feel fiscal pressure (ie cuts) is not being spread evenly between different classes in society. Is that true?
matthewwhatever
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If the Conservatives are suddenly having to defend Alberta in October, and don't get that automatic 25+ seats, this fall's election suddenly got even more interesting.
Also, there's only one big-C Conservative government left in the country, in Newfoundland. And they hate Harper. Our country is so delightfully odd.
Not an Albertan, but it seems like the tide really started turning against Prentice after his "Albertans should look in the mirror" comment. I don't think they minded cuts to social services or letting oil companies run the province, but when he came off as blaming his own constituents for the province being in the tank (rather than plummeting oil revenues, which is the real culprit) that made him look stupid.
Also, there's only one big-C Conservative government left in the country, in Newfoundland. And they hate Harper. Our country is so delightfully odd.
History being made! But watching golden state vs Memphis instead
Seriously though, albertans in here, what prompted this big change? Curious. A friend tells me part of the reason is people feel fiscal pressure (ie cuts) is not being spread evenly between different classes in society. Is that true?
Not an Albertan, but it seems like the tide really started turning against Prentice after his "Albertans should look in the mirror" comment. I don't think they minded cuts to social services or letting oil companies run the province, but when he came off as blaming his own constituents for the province being in the tank (rather than plummeting oil revenues, which is the real culprit) that made him look stupid.
ShinRPGamer
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Considering the party was decimated a few months back, they'll likely see it as a success.
matthewwhatever
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If the PCs finish with less than 10 seats, Maharg's prediction of them withering away and dying may just end up being true.
And I do like how neat and tidy it'd be if every party that's ever won an election in Alberta basically vanishes the moment they lose power.
And I do like how neat and tidy it'd be if every party that's ever won an election in Alberta basically vanishes the moment they lose power.
Zombie James
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Congrats, Alberta!
matthewwhatever
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So when Joe Oliver said Stephen Harper's granddaughter would fix things, I guess she starts by unseating the provincial NDP government in 2049 or so?
matthewwhatever
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I was under the impression Alberta was conservative, how did the NDP gain so many seats?
I don't follow Canada politics as closely as I should
Plummeting oil revenues + a new premier who said some dumb things and called an election years before he had to.
Though seeing as Notley put out a statement saying she hadn't spoken to Mulcair in months and months, it may not translate neatly to federal politics.
I was under the impression Alberta was conservative, how did the NDP gain so many seats?
I don't follow Canada politics as closely as I should
Everyone is tired of the conservative nonsense.
A lot of people expect the same thing to happen in the federal election
And vote splitting on the right.
Perspicacity
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Ontario has always been more conservative than Alberta and have been the cause of recent CPC federal governments. Alberta going NDP is a result of loosening power by oil companies.
I was under the impression Alberta was conservative, how did the NDP gain so many seats?
I don't follow Canada politics as closely as I should
53%+ still voted for conservative parties. It's just yet another example of how broken our political system is. Although in this case, I won't complain...
matthewwhatever
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That too, though I don't think it's as neat as PC voters = Wildrose voters. I get the sense that there's an element of prairie populism/anti-government feeling that fuels Wildrose voters, and some of those people went NDP this time.
They've been around for a few years now. They almost won the last provincial election.
It's broken if you think the right-side of the spectrum is homogeneous and that party performance doesn't matter.
ShinRPGamer
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Almost? They only got 17 seats out of 87. I wouldn't call that almost winning.
The main reason the conservatives get in most federal and provincial elections is vote splitting.
Canada typically votes to the left, but get stuck with a conservative government because we usually don't get behind a single party.
matthewwhatever
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Fine: they were leading in virtually every poll up until a few days before the vote, at which point the province went to the polls with it looking too close to call, only for the PCs to win a huge majority thanks to a flood of progressive voters voting PC because they were terrified of what a Wildrose victory would look like.
Better? Point is, Wildrose aren't exactly total unknowns.
Yeah, a majority was basically necessary for them.
matthewwhatever
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Somewhere, David Swann and Greg Clark weep quietly.
(Not going to lie, I totally had to look up the leader of the Alberta Party.)
I thought it might be a NDP minority. Edmonton going NDP is no surprise, so it was really up to what Calgary and rural ridings were going to do. Rural went Wildrose and will probably be the opposition, but Calgary going NDP gives them the majority. I'm a bit concerned with that lack of experience ending up with a majority, but it's obviously clear that Alberta wanted a change so we'll see what happens.
Liberals pretty much non-existent again, which could be an indication of what could happen federally. If western Canada is going to consider NDP the alternative, that's just going to be more vote splitting on the left federally.
Liberals pretty much non-existent again, which could be an indication of what could happen federally. If western Canada is going to consider NDP the alternative, that's just going to be more vote splitting on the left federally.
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