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Canada Poligaf - The Wrath of Harperland
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BigJonsson
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LIBERAL GOVERNMENT!!!
CBC, CTV calling it
CBC, CTV calling it
matthewwhatever
Member
CBC called it for the Liberals!
So...uh...how's Viewtiful doing?
So...uh...how's Viewtiful doing?
Simon Belmont
Banned
Shit yeah! See ya later Hudak!
Cloud Strife
Member
Oh shiiiit
BigJonsson
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Cloud Strife
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If it ends up being a Liberal minority, she may be spared since she can keep Wynne honest.
Also, lol:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
So, what are the obvious conclusions to draw from this?
1) The PCs have grasped defeat from the jaws of victory again by running an ass-about-face campaign whose primary campaign promise was creating jobs by firing people.
2) Despite a presumed boost in the popular vote, Horwath is likely to gain nothing from having forced to election, and any subsequent Liberal budget will be to the right of what was on the table before the election, so she probably strategically lost by forcing one
3) Whatever mandate Wynne draws from this election, it'll be tainted by the ongoing cloud of corruption. I don't for a second believe that ruling out coalition governments benefitted either the PCs or Liberals, or the province of Ontario. Everyone can fuck off with the brinksmanship now and save us the expenses for another four years.
I hope all the the party employees using this campaign as training for next year's federal election got something out of this whole process because I sure didn't. Thankfully, I won't have to live in this province anymore.
1) The PCs have grasped defeat from the jaws of victory again by running an ass-about-face campaign whose primary campaign promise was creating jobs by firing people.
2) Despite a presumed boost in the popular vote, Horwath is likely to gain nothing from having forced to election, and any subsequent Liberal budget will be to the right of what was on the table before the election, so she probably strategically lost by forcing one
3) Whatever mandate Wynne draws from this election, it'll be tainted by the ongoing cloud of corruption. I don't for a second believe that ruling out coalition governments benefitted either the PCs or Liberals, or the province of Ontario. Everyone can fuck off with the brinksmanship now and save us the expenses for another four years.
I hope all the the party employees using this campaign as training for next year's federal election got something out of this whole process because I sure didn't. Thankfully, I won't have to live in this province anymore.
TheQueen'sOwn
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Looking forward to other leaders at the helm of the opposition parties. They (NDP and PC) presented quite the shitty alternative (imo of course). What a missed opportunity for those parties.
matthewwhatever
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I'm in Ottawa West-Nepean, and my polling station was dead. My wife and I were literally the only people there when we left, apart from the poll workers.
Also:
Also:
Cloud Strife
Member
Hear hear.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Haha, you're ditching Ottawa?
You're leaving Ontario?
Also, fully agreed on point #1. What is it with the Tories and Ontario lately? Are they absolutely tone-deaf?
I dunno... there were internal numbers during the last Federal Election that were very favorable for the Conservatives. Also, wasn't there a book published recently by one of the pollsters (Frank Graves?) that mentioned something about internal polling?
Zombie James
Banned
You mean promising to fire 100,000 people doesn't win you an election? Shocker. Let this be the final nail in the bullshit "common sense" revolution.
BigJonsson
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My riding is close, very close
And someone on CBC said Horwath may have to step aside after all the things she said about Wynne
And someone on CBC said Horwath may have to step aside after all the things she said about Wynne
Simon Belmont
Banned
Seriously. They could run on "We'll be like the Liberals, but with beer in grocery stores" and they'd win. The Liberal strategy for two elections has been give the PCs enough rope to hang themselves with.
The PCs are going to have to take a long, good look in the mirror tonight and reevaluate their positions on just about everything.
What flies in the states doesn't fly here. Maybe they should think about where the name "Progressive Conservative" came from.
matthewwhatever
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Horwath ran an absolutely disastrous campaign. My father-in-law is a dyed-in-the-wool Dipper, and he voted Liberal for the first time in his life because he was so turned off by the campaign she ran.
That said, Hudak clearly did way worse -- on TVO, they were just astounded by the collapse of the Tory vote.
That said, Hudak clearly did way worse -- on TVO, they were just astounded by the collapse of the Tory vote.
Cloud Strife
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If this pans out...
Hudak:
Horwath:
Wynne:
Hudak:
Horwath:
Wynne:
Simon Belmont
Banned
Do you think all the PCs decided beforehand that the "dirty campaign" was the defacto excuse?
BigJonsson
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MAJORITY!!!
WOWWWWWW
WOWWWWWW
Zombie James
Banned
CBC calls a majority. This is massive.
BigJonsson
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"Unelected Premier" no more, WOW
matthewwhatever
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CBC calls a Liberal majority!
1) They had an insanely efficient vote.
2)
1) They had an insanely efficient vote.
2)
Simon Belmont
Banned
Holy shit. I honestly didn't think they could do it.
BigJonsson
Member
Ekos and Forum win
Ipsos fail
Ipsos fail
Damn, look at those PC numbers, they tanked it this time around.
I'm surprised how likeable I find this dude, and I've seen like 4 minutes of footage of him in my lifetime.
gutter_trash
Banned
congratulations Ontario GAF for choosing 4 years of stability.
It seems that most of the spike for Liberals did not come from the Left (NDP grew) but from the Center-Right voters who think that the Tories are too far Right
It seems that most of the spike for Liberals did not come from the Left (NDP grew) but from the Center-Right voters who think that the Tories are too far Right
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, stability until all the scandals come to light fully and we go through the years of inquiries. lol
Zombie James
Banned
Can't help but chuckle at Doug Holiday losing his seat.
If Wynne has enough integrity, heads will rolls.
Zombie James
Banned
And still, if the alternates are an idiotic NDP and another Mike Harris wannabe, the Liberals will win again.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
If she's smart, she'd deal with it now and hope that everyone forgets in 4 years rather than let it drag out for her entire mandate.
I don't know what the Tories can do to differentiate themselves, since the OLP is pretty center already. lol
Simon Belmont
Banned
Can't believe Al Gretzky didn't get in!
They should have taken a page from the Feds and fought the Libs at the Centre, not from the right.
They should have taken a page from the Feds and fought the Libs at the Centre, not from the right.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Speaking of Mike Harris, Mike Harris (no, not that Mike Harris) is narrowly leading in his riding. Maybe the best way for the Ontario PCs to break with Mike Harris is to select Mike Harris (no, not that Mike Harris) as their new leader.
gutter_trash
Banned
I live in Quebec.
I would vote for corrupt Quebec Liberals any day ever before ever voting for Separatist xenophobes or Right Wing Nationalists.
If our Premier ran over some one while drunk driving, I would still vote Liberal.
If I was an Ontarian, I would do everything possible to prevent another Mike Harris to ever come to power ever again. Hudak was a ass-hat, you guys are better off with corrupt Liberals than Chop Chop Conservatives.
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