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[lh032]

What about it?

Assuming you are pretending here, its shit.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Assuming you are pretending here, its shit.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[MonarchJT]

The Last of Us 2 Involved 14 Studios To Complete

According to Moby Games, The Last of Us Part 2 employed the work of over two thousand developers and artists over the span of six years.

gamerant.com

 

[Shmunter]

naughty dog did this multiple times and you have like most of the time no idea of what u talk about just spreading fud and hate on Xbox like always

Sounds like this touches a nerve for you for some reason.

To me this presents like a sign of weakness, disfunctionality & and a project off the rails. I'm sure this is the more common impression because you can wear any hat and apply it to any studio and that's what comes to mind first.

 

[MonarchJT]

Sounds like this touches a nerve for you for some reason.

To me this presents like a sign of weakness, disfunctionality & and a project off the rails. I'm sure this is the more common impression because you can wear any hat and apply it to any studio and that's what comes to mind first.

yes because you know very well that you are not honest with yourself or certainly in what you write. so get annoyed. read the post above yours

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The Last of Us 2 Involved 14 Studios To Complete

According to Moby Games, The Last of Us Part 2 employed the work of over two thousand developers and artists over the span of six years.

gamerant.com

/thread

 

[Shmunter]

yes because you know very well that you are not honest with yourself or certainly in what you write. so get annoyed.

No need to get annoyed, I promise you I'm the most straightforward person you'll ever know.

 

[kyliethicc]

The Last of Us 2 Involved 14 Studios To Complete

According to Moby Games, The Last of Us Part 2 employed the work of over two thousand developers and artists over the span of six years.

gamerant.com

12 of those 14 were for art outsourcing.

The other 2 were for voice over editing / mixing.

They didn't just hire Crystal Dynamics to make their game for them lol.

 

[Craig of War]

That's a false equivalent, as it has been several times pointed out.

False my ass it the same shit this is how game development works.

 

[Craig of War]

The Last of Us 2 Involved 14 Studios To Complete

According to Moby Games, The Last of Us Part 2 employed the work of over two thousand developers and artists over the span of six years.

gamerant.com

Jeff Grubb giving us insight knowledge you guys should listen.

 

[Plantoid]

My take: good, I liked the TB reboot, the history was bad but graphics and animations were top notch, more people working on the game the better, for me, the player, doesn't matter who made the game as long as it's fun

 

[Heisenberg007]

Nice logic.
Polyphony Digital uses outsourcing to make Gran Turismo games. So Ember Labs > Polyphony Digital, eh? Polyphony can't make a game?

Polyphone is a disgrace in terms of productivity. They need to improve significantly.

I strongly suspect Perfect Dark's scope is much more grand than Kena.

Of course. We're talking about 4-5x bigger scope at best, right? Kena was made with 12 developers. The Initiative has 70 developers, so almost 6x the size of Ember Labs.

Sucker Punch has 160 developers. 100-ish is quite the understatement.

They now have 160 developers. For the majority of Ghost of Tsushima's development, they were a <100 studio.

Insomniac has 400+ developers. You think they chained away 150 of them only to work on Spiderman?

Again, they now have 400 developers. They grew when they were making Miles Morales (with the introduction of a third team) and just overall after Sony's acquisition.

At the time of Spider-Man, there had < 250 employees. ~100 of them were working on Ratchet & Clank, and <150 were working on Spider-Man.

 

[Heisenberg007]

How long did last of us 2 take?

Roughly 3 years. They released Uncharted in 2016 and Lost Legacy in 2017 (which had the whole studio working on it, officially confirmed).

So from Summer 2017 to release in Summer 2020.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Actually several of the studios you mentioned outsourced work, including Ember Labs. The issue isn't there, and there really isn't any issue at all, other than an uncommon move which is for a First Party studio to co-develop a First Party Title. This is not outsourcing.

I agree. This is exactly what I am saying, too.

1. This is not a big deal for gamers, as long as the game is good -- except that it doesn't look good on paper for MS that their premier new studio couldn't make a game on its own.
2. Most studios do outsourcing (though, co-development b/w first-party and third-party is extremely rare)
3. This is co-development, not outsourcing.

Again, whatever it takes to make a good game, it's fine.

 

[Sosokrates]

This is good news for Perfect dark, the initiative by themselves are a small team.

 

[Great Hair]

/thread

The issue is not the outsourcing (or which studio helps out, every studio does it from Turn10, PD, Ubisoft etc.), but the BS they have been proclaiming since 2018. Them stating years ago "we are working on something groundbreaking, worthy of AAAA" moniker was complete bullcrap.

The mandate was to create a new IP (Perfect Dark is not new) and to innovate ... (not sure how, FPS have been stagnant for decades), but after 3 years, they are still in early development ("have to wait another 2 years+")?

That is to some extent concerning.

"That's really the mandate: make something ground-breaking. Innovate," continued Gallagher, who used to oversee the Tomb Raider franchise as studio head of Crystal Dynamics.

A job listing from 2018 that looks like it could be for the southern California studio asked for experience in shipping titles at "AAAA standards" and a knowledge of "building new IP."

The Untold Truth Of Microsoft's The Initiative - SVG

So, what's actually going on at The Initiative? Here's what we know about the mysterious happenings at this development studio.

www.looper.com

This is good news for Perfect dark, the initiative by themselves are a small team.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/theinitiativegaming

69 peeps, small ... but not that small. Enough to accomplish something in 3 years.

How does working with an external studio mean they aren't trying to make something groundbreaking?
There's such a dearth of common sense in this thread.

 

[Sosokrates]

The issue is not the outsourcing (or which studio helps out, every studio does it from Turn10, PD, Ubisoft etc.), but the BS they have been proclaiming since 2018. Them stating years ago "we are working on something groundbreaking, worthy of AAAA" moniker was complete bullcrap.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/theinitiativegaming

69 peeps, small ... but not that small. Enough to accomplish something in 3 years.

Very small for a AAA.

 

[abacab driver]

12 of those 14 were for art outsourcing.

The other 2 were for voice over editing / mixing.

They didn't just hire Crystal Dynamics to make their game for them lol.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/aaa-devs-say-2000-people-working-on-one-game-isnt-/1100-6480243/

Those people aren't all employed at Naughty Dog, of course, but involve workers at 14 other studios outsourcing certain work. That includes two studios brought in to help with sound--one for general sounds and one specifically for weaponry and combat--and the remaining 12 external studios helping with the game's art in various forms.

Last I checked, you can't make a game without art and audio.
12 studios worth of art and 2 of audio is a ludicrous amount of important work outsourced..every bit as important as programming.

Also Perfect Dark has had a playable build since February of last year.
CD are obviously hired to help build out what's already there and make sure it ships when they want it to.

With a budget like The Initiative has, why not hire a large, experienced AAA team that Daryl Gallagher has already led to great success before?

 

[MonarchJT]

12 of those 14 were for art outsourcing.

The other 2 were for voice over editing / mixing.

They didn't just hire Crystal Dynamics to make their game for them lol.

no. and at this point report
2k more person's worked on the game ...talking about who did the game....lol
you guys have no idea kn how the industry works....really ..better you stop.to talk about this stuff

and what's arts? soundsf fx? music? textures? 3d models? so basically standing how you think naughty did the wrote the plot and the animation? as i repeat stop to talk just pls


and so to conclude have you seen who are the people in the small team of the initiative? do you think they are the latest arrivals? the most come from r * CrystalD or SSM naughty dog and others first psrty Sony studios

 

[kyliethicc]

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/aaa-devs-say-2000-people-working-on-one-game-isnt-/1100-6480243/



Last I checked, you can't make a game without art and audio.
12 studios worth of art and 2 of audio is a ludicrous amount of important work outsourced..every bit as important as programming.

Also Perfect Dark has had a playable build since February of last year.
CD are obviously hired to help build out what's already there and make sure it ships when they want it to.

With a budget like The Initiative has, why not hire a large, experienced AAA team that Daryl Gallagher has already led to great success before?

no. and at this point report
2k more person's worked on the game ...talking about who did the game....lol
you guys have no idea kn how the industry works....really ..better you stop.to talk about this stuff

and what's arts? soundsf fx? music? textures? 3d models? so basically standing how you think naughty did the wrote the plot and the animation? as i repeat stop to talk just pls


and so to conclude have you seen who are the people in the small team of the initiative? do you think they are the latest arrivals? the most come from r * CrystalD or SSM naughty dog and others first psrty Sony studios

 

[MaulerX]

Sony fans in this thread:

 

[Kagey K]

Assuming you are pretending here, its shit.

Citation needed.*

I'm going to assume you've never played it until you prove otherwise.

 

[MonarchJT]

k basically can't answer anymore ok

 

[kyliethicc]

no. and at this point report

2k more person's worked on the game ...talking about who did the game....lol

you guys have no idea kn how the industry works....really

..better you stop.to talk about this stuff

and what's arts?

soundsf fx? music? textures? 3d models?

so basically standing how you think naughty did the wrote the plot and the animation?

as i repeat stop to talk just pls

k basically can't answer anymore ok

How could I possibly answer to such brilliant insight?

 

[Ozriel]

Problem is even if Sony outsources their games, they are still good and bangers, anytime MS lately has outsourced a game it turned into a train wreck like crackdown 3, state of decay 2 etc.

whenever we get these buzz words from MS it slights me as not god because their track record has been abysmal

State of Decay 2 was not outsourced. Lmao. What are you on?

 

[Ozriel]

The issue is not the outsourcing (or which studio helps out, every studio does it from Turn10, PD, Ubisoft etc.), but the BS they have been proclaiming since 2018. Them stating years ago "we are working on something groundbreaking, worthy of AAAA" moniker was complete bullcrap.

How does working with an external studio mean they aren't trying to make something groundbreaking?
There's such a dearth of common sense in this thread.

To me this presents like a sign of weakness, disfunctionality & and a project off the rails. I'm sure this is the more common impression because you can wear any hat and apply it to any studio and that's what comes to mind first.

Off the rails? They were always going to outsource. lmao. That's how they were set up from the scratch.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/theinitiativegaming

69 peeps, small ... but not that small. Enough to accomplish something in 3 years.

How do you know what they've accomplished at this point?

 

[oldergamer]

Jeff Grubb giving us insight knowledge you guys should listen.

Good example. I wonder if SE cares? It would not be the first time SE shed some north american studios

 

[plasmawave]

Jeff Grubb is an idiot.

 

[reksveks]

It would not be the first time SE shed some north american studios

Imran Khan did suggest the same thing but I suspect square enix will keep the western studios sadly and constantly be unhappy with their performance.

 

[Shmunter]

How does working with an external studio mean they aren't trying to make something groundbreaking?
There's such a dearth of common sense in this thread.




Off the rails? They were always going to outsource. lmao. That's how they were set up from the scratch.



How do you know what they've accomplished at this point?

Game is not being outsourced, it will be a Crystal Dynamic game in partnership with the Initiative.

 

[reksveks]

Game is not being outsourced, it will be a Crystal Dynamic game in partnership with the Initiative.

All the leads on the game will probably be The Initiative employees, basing this off the employee titles that the initiative are hiring for.

I don't know how I would word that.

 

[just_like_that]

looks like im not getting a series x for a while. all these big games are far away and announced too early smh

 

[PropellerEar]

Imran Khan did suggest the same thing but I suspect square enix will keep the western studios sadly and constantly be unhappy with their performance.

I don't think Squeenix will sell CD, they have MSFT by the teet.
Will be highly lucrative to be saving premier XBox studios from embarrassment.

 

[DenchDeckard]

The Last of Us 2 Involved 14 Studios To Complete

According to Moby Games, The Last of Us Part 2 employed the work of over two thousand developers and artists over the span of six years.

gamerant.com

HOLY FUCK!

 

[Physiognomonics]

Crystal Dynamics was already on a support role for the last Tomb Raider (Shadow) which was developed by Eidos-Montreal. And that's my favorite Tomb Raider of the trilogy. That game has the best Tombs puzzles ever.

So I hope the next Tomb Raider will also be done by Eidos-Montreal (and not Crystal Dynamics as their last Tomb Raider, Rise, was the worse of the trilogy for me with way too much shooting).

 

[Moses85]

So, pls would somebody confirm if the game will be 3rd Person or 1st Person? I thought they Announced it as a 3rd Person Action Game.

 

[kuncol02]

So, pls would somebody confirm if the game will be 3rd Person or 1st Person? I thought they Announced it as a 3rd Person Action Game.

AFAIR 1st person with some form of body awareness like Riddick or Mirror's Edge.

 

[kanjobazooie]

So, pls would somebody confirm if the game will be 3rd Person or 1st Person? I thought they Announced it as a 3rd Person Action Game.

It was announced as 1st person from the start.
From the official site Perfect Dark | Xbox:

• Genre
• Action/Adventure
• First-person Shooter

Ken Lobb said years ago in an interview that PD could potentially come back as a 3rd person game. That's probably why many people are confused.

 

[Moses85]

It was announced as 1st person from the start.
From the official site Perfect Dark | Xbox:


Ken Lobb said years ago in an interview that PD could potentially come back as a 3rd person game. That's probably why many people are confused.

Thank you

 

[DForce]

The Last of Us 2 Involved 14 Studios To Complete

According to Moby Games, The Last of Us Part 2 employed the work of over two thousand developers and artists over the span of six years.

gamerant.com

This is a reach and not even comparable.

 

[Stooky]

naughty dog did this multiple times and you have like most of the time no idea of what u talk about just spreading fud and hate on Xbox like always

uh no they didn't.

 

[oldergamer]

I don't think Squeenix will sell CD, they have MSFT by the teet.
Will be highly lucrative to be saving premier XBox studios from embarrassment.

Thats a stupid statement. This has nothing to do with embarrassment and how do they have ms by anything when ms is paying for development

 

[oldergamer]

I think people here making up stupid reasons on this need to relax. Im fairly certain the initiative was alway meant to be an idea factory. They go the extra step of full game design, fully playable vertical slice of all levels and set up everything needed for full development using unreal, then hand it off to a studio to complete while working on the next game.

This might also be more about creating in game cinematics and less about actual dev work then we know.

I knew one person that was on a year long contract there. I was surprised it was short but they enjoyed time there.

 

[Three]

It was announced as 1st person from the start.
From the official site Perfect Dark | Xbox:


Ken Lobb said years ago in an interview that PD could potentially come back as a 3rd person game. That's probably why many people are confused.

Yep, the 3rd person comment was perpetuated often. Even when they were play testing in 2019. It could be that it changed though because reading between the lines it seems like they might have changed a lot after that playtest.

The Initiative Starts Playtest On Huge Xbox Exclusive

The Initiative was revealed back at E3 2018 and is likely the team at Xbox Game Studios which is going to offer the most ambitious game as soon as it's

www.gamepur.com

 

[oldergamer]

Crystal Dynamics was already on a support role for the last Tomb Raider (Shadow) which was developed by Eidos-Montreal. And that's my favorite Tomb Raider of the trilogy. That game has the best Tombs puzzles ever.

So I hope the next Tomb Raider will also be done by Eidos-Montreal (and not Crystal Dynamics as their last Tomb Raider, Rise, was the worse of the trilogy for me with way too much shooting).

Eidos montreal is working on guardians of the galaxy. I doubt they will handle TR

 

[Hunnybun]

just to let some people understand and close this stupid "bad" false narrative

Certain affinity (ex-bungie people's) a 250+ people studio
is helping Halo Infinite studio (which is already huge) with the game with an official collaboration

"Certain Affinity Reveals Ongoing Partnership with 343 Industries on Halo Infinite"

Certain Affinity Reveals Ongoing Partnership with 343 Industries on Halo Infinite - Certain Affinity

Today we’re proud to reveal Certain Affinity’s partnership with 343 Industries on Halo Infinite. Read more...

www.certainaffinity.com

do you understand how out of touch these speeches are? if you have a lot of money like budget for halo you can afford internal studios of 250+ people to help just that instead of outsourcing out of respect you call partnership or collaboration.

"The project isn't in trouble! Look, it's just like Halo Infinite!"

 

[Papacheeks]

Roughly 3 years. They released Uncharted in 2016 and Lost Legacy in 2017 (which had the whole studio working on it, officially confirmed).

So from Summer 2017 to release in Summer 2020.

Last of us was in development at same time as uncharted 4. They had certain people split once art/story department was done they started with Neil on early concept for characters, location.

 

[MonarchJT]

"The project isn't in trouble! Look, it's just like Halo Infinite!"

exactly it isn't did you see the people who have played the test flight how excited are they and how much they liked halo?

u tried

 

[MonarchJT]

This is a reach and not even comparable.

exactly the same thing ...with one more excuse for the initiative ....ND have 320 people ....the initiative 60

 

[BLAUcopter]

State of Decay 2 was not outsourced. Lmao. What are you on?

State of decay 2 wasn't a train wreck either. I love that game!