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[SoRuffShoNuff]

I bring it up because this comes up in every thread; people start piling on posters who dare not vote for Hillary, as if their vote makes a difference in the end. People should be encouraged to participate in local races where their vote carries more weight - the presidential election is meaningless in most states. The moral indignation people work themselves into over some person on the Internet voting for someone other than their candidate is just bizarre. Will him voting for Trump actually do anything? I understand the moral outrage people feel about someone that would vote for Trump, but I think you have to account for the fact that our electoral system is about as useful as tossing votes into the void in most places. Would he still vote for Trump if we didn't have an electoral system?


I've stated that I will not be voting for Hillary (in my blue state) in other threads, and I've been called a spoiled child and condescended to about how I'm working against minority (of which I am one) interests, because obviously Trump will win if I vote for Jill Stein. If I lived in a swing state, sure I'd vote for Hillary. But I feel disenfranchised by a system where voting for Hillary is as helpful as me not voting for Hillary. She still wins my state either way, so what do I get out of voting for her? What is the "real impact"? That's why I don't see Wreav voting for Trump (even if he disagrees with Trump's policies) as a big deal; his presidential vote has as much impact as mine does (read: none) other than some sort of moral victory for Internet points on message boards.

Ever thought that maybe others feel the way that you do but realize if they don't vote blue the state won't go blue? It seems like a cop-out to essentially state it's fine for you to vote with your conscious because there are others willing to do the dirty work for you.

 

[hawk2025]

Bernie killed it that first half. His only big slip was the race question but I think people knew what he meant. He won Maine big too so great night for him.

I had to laugh when Clinton attacked him for the bailout. She was for it and then later talked about how no company was too big to fail. Which is it Hillary???

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Of course car companies are not too big to fail. We have clear and excellent substitutes in imports.

The point is the very real and direct impact of those companies failing on the jobs of the people employed by these companies.

There is zero contradiction there as far as the auto industry bailout goes.

If anything, Sanders' terrible anti-Free Trade positions can actually make companies too big too fail by restricting competition. What do we do when american car companies go down, we don't bail them out, and we've restricted imports to the point of irrelevance? Get fucked?

Rich people will take the hit and pay exorbitant import fees. The poor and the middle class?

 

[Tesseract]

question, why doesn't hillary demonstrate the greatness of being a woman?

 

[Condom]

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Of course car companies are not too big to fail. We have clear and excellent substitutes in imports.

The point is the very real and direct impact of those companies failing on the jobs of the people employed by these companies.

There is zero contradiction there as far as the auto industry bailout goes.

If anything, Sanders' terrible anti-Free Trade positions can actually make companies too big too fail by restricting competition. What do we do when american car companies go down, we don't bail them out, and we've restricted imports to the point of irrelevance? Get fucked?

Rich people will take the hit and pay exorbitant important fees. The poor and the middle class?

Are you seriously thinking you'll run out of cars?

 

[hawk2025]

Are you seriously thinking you'll run out of cars?

Did you seriously not read the last line you quoted?

 

[fantomena]

Wait, Hillary said she prayed multiple times everyday? Lol, praying leads to nothing, it's all bullshit and a waste of time.

 

[Makai]

Wait, Hillary said she prayed multiple times everyday? Lol, praying leads to nothing, it's all bullshit and a waste of time.

This is an overwhelmingly religious country so it makes sense for our leaders to. Of course, her opponent may be Donald Trump who has never prayed in his life.

 

[fantomena]

This is an overwhelmingly religious country so it makes sense for our leaders to. Of course, her opponent may be Donald Trump who has never prayed in his life.

I know. Im however glad Bernie doesn't take part in organized religion. If he or Hillary was atheists that would be even better.

Having a prime minister or president who worship fairytales is not someone I would want to elect.

 

[danm999]

I know. Im however glad Bernie doesn't take part in organized religion. If he or Hillary was atheists that would be even better.

Having a prime minister or president who worship fairytales is not someone I would want to elect.

It's the US. I don't think there's been a poll that shows over 60% of Americans willing to vote for a qualified atheist.

 

[Marz]

I know. Im however glad Bernie doesn't take part in organized religion. If he or Hillary was atheists that would be even better.

Having a prime minister or president who worship fairytales is not someone I would want to elect.

Who cares?

 

[giga]

Bernie killed it that first half. His only big slip was the race question but I think people knew what he meant. He won Maine big too so great night for him.

I had to laugh when Clinton attacked him for the bailout. She was for it and then later talked about how no company was too big to fail. Which is it Hillary???

They're not mutually exclusive positions.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Religious people exist. They vote.

I don't believe this. doesn't sound plausible

 

[Acorn]

It's the US. I don't think there's been a poll that shows over 60% of Americans willing to vote for a qualified atheist.

I don't think it matters. Do people really think Obama or Bush or Clinton are super religious? They just say enough to not get shit on. You've had atheist presidents.

 

[danm999]

I don't think it matters. Do people really think Obama or Bush or Clinton are super religious? They just say enough to not get shit on. You've had atheist presidents.

Yeah I'm willing to bet more than one.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Like a lot of adults in America, I'm sure there have been presidents who are just lapsed whatever or take more of a deist/theist approach. It's not going to work for someone to shit on a large portion of the country for "worshiping fairy tales" as diplomacy is also part of being the president.

 

[nubbe]

Wait, Hillary said she prayed multiple times everyday? Lol, praying leads to nothing, it's all bullshit and a waste of time.

Muslims need to pray 5 times a day you know
Kappa

 

[Auto_aim1]

Do we have a recap video? I missed the whole thing.

 

[3phemeral]

Do we have a recap video? I missed the whole thing.

CNN has a few clips up.

[edit]

This might be the whole debate.

 

[Auto_aim1]

CNN has a few clips up.

[edit]

This might be the whole debate.

Thank you!

 

[thebloo]

I don't believe this. doesn't sound plausible

You need to have some faith.

 

[NotBacon]

Other than the race question slip-up, Bernard killed it on stage. Called out Hilldawg on so many things it was glorious. I'm enjoying this new Bernie with a little fire underneath him.

 

[lupinko]

I know. Im however glad Bernie doesn't take part in organized religion. If he or Hillary was atheists that would be even better.

Having a prime minister or president who worship fairytales is not someone I would want to elect.

Pretty sure Bernie is still religious, you don't have to practice your religion to be religious.

And most countries have leaders who are religious in some way, the ones that come to mind that aren't are the CCP or Castro Cuba.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Pretty sure Bernie is still religious, you don't have to practice your religion to be religious.

And most countries have leaders who are religious in some way, the ones that come to mind that aren't are the CCP or Castro Cuba.

In what way has Bernie Sanders shown himself to be religious? What are you talking about? The guy is clearly agnostic/atheistic.

 

[danm999]

In what way has Bernie Sanders shown himself to be religious? What are you talking about? The guy is clearly agnostic/atheistic.

He's said he believes in God, but not necessarily the standard definition of such, more of a connective tissue between all life.

 

[Prodigal Son]

He's said he believes in God, but not necessarily the standard definition of such, more of a connective tissue between all life.

"We're all in this together" isn't a deity. His description of his 'god' isn't a theistic one. His family has always said (prior to him running for president anyway) that they weren't particularly firm believers. Problem is that being outright irreligious on the national stage is suicide.

 

[nubbe]

CNN has a few clips up.

[edit]

This might be the whole debate.

360p, I also love the 90's

 

[Prototype Viktor]

You need to have some faith.

but i don't even like that Limp Bizket album

 

[Big Baybee]

"We're all in this together" isn't a deity. His description of his 'god' isn't a theistic one. His family has always said (prior to him running for president anyway) that they weren't particularly firm believers. Problem is that being outright irreligious on the national stage is suicide.

So is being a socialist lol.

 

[Brinbe]

I REALLY hope she doesn't pick Castro, the guy hasn't done anything and I wouldn't feel comfortable with someone with that utter lack of experience (Part time Mayor of SA/Secretary of Housing?) being that close to the Presidency. It's a blatantly pandering pick but not really a responsible one. And I don't see the Obama comparisons at all.

If it were a Trump making a similar pick, people would be super quick to criticize it, as they should be.

Anyway, I still think she should pick Kaine.

 

[danm999]

"We're all in this together" isn't a deity. His description of his 'god' isn't theistic. His family has always said (prior to him running for president anyway) that they weren't particularly firm believers. Problem is that being outright irreligious on the national stage is suicide.

He seems like he is portraying himself as an agnostic theist to me.

If I had to guess though my gut says that he's probably an atheist, but he doesn't want to outright say that because yeah, it's suicide.

So he talks about faith and morality and the concept of a god in a way that's germane to his candidacy (I believe in taking care of my fellow man, I believe in doing unto others, etc).

Or maybe I'm projecting because I'd like to see atheism not be an anathema to the Presidency in my lifetime, I dunno, I might be reading him wrong.

 

[SlimySnake]

Picking VP is going to really expose how the democrats dont have a single good candidate besides Hilary. for the future anyway. In 8 years, who is going to lead this party? The Castro brothers? i highly doubt that. Bernie will be too old and he wont ever become her nominee for VP anyway.

So who else is left? We have no popular Senators or Governors.

In short, 8 years from now, we are fucked.

 

[Hoo-doo]

So, any highlight reels of the debate available yet?

 

[Auto_aim1]

Okay, I saw the whole thing. Bernie was on fire, such an amazing performance. He is so much better than Clinton. He did mess up a few times but that's okay. What a great debate overall, much better than the Republican shit show.

 

[NotoriousPUG]

Who cares?

You're trusting someone to lead a country and they still believe in fairy tales. More people should care.

 

[Prodigal Son]

He seems like he is portraying himself as an agnostic theist to me.

If I had to guess though my gut says that he's probably an atheist, but he doesn't want to outright say that because yeah, it's suicide.

So he talks about faith and morality and the concept of a god in a way that's germane to his candidacy (I believe in taking care of my fellow man, I believe in doing unto others, etc).

Or maybe I'm projecting because I'd like to see atheism not be an anathema to the Presidency in my lifetime, I dunno, I might be reading him wrong.

Agnostic theist might be an accurate descriptor perhaps. I suppose there's a chance we won't ever find out what he truly believes. I imagine he'll be long dead before a presidential candidate can acceptably call themselves an atheist and have a shot at the presidency.

So is being a socialist lol.

Haha got me there, dude.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

You're trusting someone to lead a country and they still believe in fairy tales. More people should care.

Unless they're making policies based on those religious beliefs, no seriously who cares what Deity they choose to believe in?

 

[neurosisxeno]

So who else is left? We have no popular Senators or Governors.

Kirsten Gillibrand, Cory Booker, Mark Warner, Tammy Baldwin, Claire McCaskill.

 

[Machina]

Religious people exist. They vote. This is relevant. Some people have faith. Deal.

They're all voting for Trump, bro.

 

[The Technomancer]

Picking VP is going to really expose how the democrats dont have a single good candidate besides Hilary. for the future anyway. In 8 years, who is going to lead this party? The Castro brothers? i highly doubt that. Bernie will be too old and he wont ever become her nominee for VP anyway.

So who else is left? We have no popular Senators or Governors.

In short, 8 years from now, we are fucked.

Russ Feingold. Please, Russ Feingold

 

[SolarPowered]

I REALLY hope she doesn't pick Castro, the guy hasn't done anything and I wouldn't feel comfortable with someone with that utter lack of experience (Part time Mayor of SA/Secretary of Housing?) being that close to the Presidency. It's a blatantly pandering pick but not really a responsible one. And I don't see the Obama comparisons at all.

If it were a Trump making a similar pick, people would be super quick to criticize it, as they should be.

Anyway, I still think she should pick Kaine.

Is Sherrod Brown not in the running? I recalled Gaffers mentioning his name and from the little I've read he's got quite the liberal reputation, experience and strategic value (having more than twenty years of political history in Ohio). I guess the biggest problem would be who'd replace him in the senate.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Tulsi Gabbard maybe?


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OR MAYHAPS MY MAIN MOTHERFUCKER O'MALLEY

 

[neurosisxeno]

Tulsi Gabbard maybe?

Too young, as well as has too many questionable stances. Hillary can't campaign on being Progressive and then pick a VP that doesn't believe in Marriage Equality.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Too young, as well as has too many questionable stances. Hillary can't campaign on being Progressive and then pick a VP that doesn't believe in Marriage Equality.

Doesn't she support it? I thought the controversy had to do with her defending a family member's bigotry or something of the sort.

 

[SlimySnake]

Tulsi Gabbard maybe?


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OR MAYHAPS MY MAIN MOTHERFUCKER O'MALLEY

Russ Feingold. Please, Russ Feingold

i have no idea who these two people are and i dont think the american people do either.

also lol at O'Malley, but sadly hes the most recognizable democrat at the moment besides Bernie.

 

[danm999]

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OR MAYHAPS MY MAIN MOTHERFUCKER O'MALLEY

Challenges the GOP VP (Christie I'm assuming) to a shirtless chin up contest at the VP debate.

Election over.

 

[Mrs. Manky]

They're all voting for Trump, bro.

You forget the black vote. Most of the black people who support Clinton are older, and most older black people are religious. Sure, Trump attempted to court the black religious vote, but that was a big fat mess.

 

[Machina]

Bernie has been able to paint Hillary as a conservative. Many people believe she is in spite of her voting record and her real stance on issues. Looks really bad for the general.

I don't even know if this can be repaired. I doubt Bernie can go full force and support her without his base saying he is being controlled by the democrat illuminati.

There's a simple solution to that: Clinton either nominates Bernie to be her Vice President or she sends Bernie straight to SCOTUS. Either or will win over Bernie's base, coupled with their very real concern that Trump might actually become President, which btw I cannot even fucking believe I am saying is possible.

 

[Real Hero]

Hillary is nothing, yet Bernie is just too nice to point it out he just can't be viscous enough

 

[Prodigal Son]

Challenges the GOP VP (Christie I'm assuming) to a shirtless chin up contest at the VP debate.

Election over.

What a hunk. Him and Justin Trudeau should do a photo-shoot together. It'd be the hottest show of leadership in human history. It'd raise global temperatures so high not even republicans could deny climate change.

 

[OuterLimits]

I thought both had some good moments and bad ones. Hillary won the gun battle part but lost on the fracking question. Although she is obviously moving to the center on some issues for the general. Bernie comment on white people not knowing what it is like to be poor and live in the ghetto was a major oops on his part. That will be a clip that gets played a bunch today I'm sure.

I see Bernie won Maine. Seems like the total vote was super low. Does Maine usually have that bad a turnout?