mèx
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It's clear that the original has a strong artistic intent behind it.
I can't say the same about this remake.
[Digital Foundry] Metal Gear Solid Delta - PS5/ PS5 Pro Tech Review - A Beautiful UE5 Remake With Frame-Rate Issues
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I can't say the same about this remake.
Pedro Motta
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This is not Hardware at fault, it's the developers. Don't be a dummy.
MisterXDTV
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This won't age well, unless by "PC" you are talking about a 5090 + brand new CPU
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Gaiff
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Techpowerup and Daniel Owen said Mafia runs alright on PC with only minor traversal stutters at transition points. The problem is the game is quite heavy for the visuals on display, but if you turn down the settings, you can get a good experience.
ShaiKhulud1989
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I had a very poor experience with DLAA QHD, maybe DLSS fixes stutters, but it introduces a lot of crashes.
Point is, with UE5 nowhere is safe. There is no better versions, only many flavours of bad UE5 implementation.
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Gonzito
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Pc is always the best choice, no matter how much it hurts to some to hear this.
I'll play this in my 4090 with DLAA and ultra settings and have no issues whatsoever
PeteBull
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ps5pr0 has zen2 cpu and gpu roughly as strong as rx 9060xt 16 gigs(380$ streetprice), midrange modern pc is far above that, doesnt have to be a 4k$ top of the line mashine
Ofc who knows how fucked pc code gonna be, we will know soon enough about that too xD
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DenchDeckard
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ShaiKhulud1989
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My personal experience 1 week ago was quite poor both with FPS and with weird stutters and Lumen glitches. Judging by Steam reviews, I'm hardly alone.
Critical Hit
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DenchDeckard
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This makes me sad. Looks like im passing on one of my favourite games of all time.
You're talking about metal gear here right?
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DenchDeckard
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Of course its the devs fault. It doesnt stop the PS5 pro version running worse than the regular PS5.
Windom Earle
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I don't understand the appeal of this without Kojima anyway. Konami is a joke.
Mister Wolf
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CPU Bottlenecking?
Gaiff
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Extremely doubtful.
Connificent
Al Pachinko, Konami President
So you would've rather had a Twin Snakes style remake
asdasdasdbb
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I bet it's still quite fine on console if you were to actually play it. Maybe it'd be better if you forced the output to 1080p.
It's a remaster to a fault really.
It's a remaster to a fault really.
ShaiKhulud1989
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Mafia.
But I'm sure MGS3 will be filled with typical UE5 problems because Mafia devs are way more apt with obsucre engine problems and even them failed to solve UE5 quirks.
ZehDon
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UE5 is, generally, a real-time engine, which is why it's so darn heavy. For a game like MGS3, you don't really need - nor want, if you're aiming to hit the artistic vision of the original - everything in real-time. Real-time micro-poly, real-time lighting, real-time software GI... MGS3 is a pretty static game from that perspective. I'm betting they just ran with it OOB, instead of taking the time to bake everything that doesn't change, which of UE5, buys you back enough perform so you're not upscaling 720p in 2025.
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mèx
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So like every videogame ever?
Pedro Motta
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You know what you're doing, and the way you wrote it.
demigod
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You finally bought a PS5 Pro? That should be a new thread worthy.
DenchDeckard
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What are you really trying to do here?
Why are you on the defensive towards me on what is factually an inexcusable PS5 pro port?
Infact, just leave it there. I dont need to deal with another Sony fan who is butthurt over comments about their precious plastic box. It's a Friday, be happy.
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Kenneth Haight
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Surprisingly, the PS5 Pro often runs at a lower frame rate than the base PS5 in performance-intensive areas, with the base PS5 showing up to a +7 FPS advantage in some jungle segments.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yikes.
Let's hope the Series version is a bit better in the performance department ala Mafia's Xbox version.
Let's hope the Series version is a bit better in the performance department ala Mafia's Xbox version.
Spiral1407
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I'm getting real sick of these vibe coded remakes
Kenneth Haight
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Kojima right now
StereoVsn
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I will take Cheap Contractor Slop for $200, Alex!
Apparently Konami was ok with this since they must have set the release milestones. Watch this to never get fixed, same as Oblivion Remaster.
Pedro Motta
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Sept Terrion Of Nothing
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It's said that Virtuos is contributing the development. But if it is indeed they have major role in this as well, they really suck at UE5. But if they suck majorly, how come big companies still using them?
And also it has become tiresome to hear the same thing again and again --> UE5=Stutterfest + uneven FPS and FPS rate.
Come on man, this has become too much. If UE5 is so garbage why do developers use the engine. If it is not an engine problem then how the hell do you reach the same final problems in every game. For the last 2-3 years I feel we are really skidding at the same point. There is an evident problem here but everyone blaming the other part. Really, who is to blame? UE5 or the developers?
DenchDeckard
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in my initial post I literally said I bet the PC version is scuffed too and you took this all as some insecure attack on Sony. Just chill
Kerotan
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When they said Pro enhanced they meant it's closer to the original snake eater at release. Take that base ps5!Surprisingly, the PS5 Pro often runs at a lower frame rate than the base PS5 in performance-intensive areas, with the base PS5 showing up to a +7 FPS advantage in some jungle segments.
Surely this will have a sizable Day 1 patch?
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StereoVsn
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If that happens, it would be pretty funny to be fair. But isn't PC version kind of sucky anyways?
StereoVsn
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Same studio that did Oblivion Remaster. You may gent a patch or two, but I wouldn't expect performance to be much better afterwards.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Mafia's PC version is so bad, DF didn't even cover it lol.
But surprisingly tho, the SX version runs even better than the PS5 Pro version in the comparison video DF did.
This is Virtuos, they just did the Oblivion remaster earlier this year which had better average performance on Xbox so I'm hoping this is the same case here.
GoldenEye98
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PS5 becoming a nice 1080p machine...
peish
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Still watching, but anyone else likes the yellow filter of the original?
The game takes place in 1964 and I recall at the time of the release, I liked the color palette because it reminded me of an old film with worn out colors.
Who is that on the right?
AGRacing
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roosnam1980
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Watching the video and this might be a contender for one of the worst Pro upgrades on a major release so far.
+ Close up things like Snake's beard and hair is covered well
- But mid /distant geometry has worse clarity than even base PS5's Performance mode
- And PSSR kinda shits the bed indoors with its coverage, notable shimmering etc
- And on top of all of the above, it runs 6, 7 fps worse than base PS5's Performance mode in comparison areas
- There's not even a choice for Pro owners to choose a Quality mode, they are given a single mode and that's all they have
Yikes.
+ Close up things like Snake's beard and hair is covered well
- But mid /distant geometry has worse clarity than even base PS5's Performance mode
- And PSSR kinda shits the bed indoors with its coverage, notable shimmering etc
- And on top of all of the above, it runs 6, 7 fps worse than base PS5's Performance mode in comparison areas
- There's not even a choice for Pro owners to choose a Quality mode, they are given a single mode and that's all they have
Yikes.
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