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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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Sorta surprised how many people across the internet think ALIEN-era John Hurt looks like Hobbit-era Martin Freeman.

edit: Also, the shoutouts to Charley & Lucie! My wife is going to FLIP HER SHIT when she hears that.
 

Joqu

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Sorta surprised how many people across the internet think ALIEN-era John Hurt looks like Hobbit-era Martin Freeman.

edit: Also, the shoutouts to Charley & Lucie! My wife is going to FLIP HER SHIT when she hears that.

I'm more surprised that people are avoiding this thread tbh, I thought we had been doing a pretty good job at tagging spoilers. Are we at least getting a title change for DotD?
 
I'm more surprised that people are avoiding this thread tbh, I thought we had been doing a pretty good job at tagging spoilers. Are we at least getting a title change for DotD?

Yeah, I posted in the other thread - but then I realized I shouldn't have, as it's completely redundant. And it seems most of the people posting in that one are just posting in here anyway, so...

I guess people really don't trust that we're doing a good job tagging and avoiding out-in-the-open spoilers.

edit: You'd have to ask infiniteloop, but I don't think we're getting a title change.
 
About that, actually.

As was pointed out earlier in the thread - McGann made sure to qualify his comments by saying "I'm not in the 50th..." and technically, he's not. He's in the prequel mini-episode.

However, it's been proven that people will just flat out lie. Moffat has no problem doing it, and I don't think anyone else in the production does either, especially since they're really under no obligation to answer truthfully. It's not like they're under oath.

Now, this next bit is based on the spoilers that were posted earlier in the thread regarding the episode, so I guess it depends on whether or not those are true:

I know it's wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey, but how could Hurt regenerate into Eccleston at the end of the episode if, as the spoiler suggests, Hurt, Ten & Eleven negate the Time War and bring back the Time Lords? How does Eccleston (and Tennant, following him) go off and torture the shit out of himself for committing double genocide if it turns out he didn't?
 

DrForester

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Well...

All the emotion 9 had could easily be attributed to guilt over what his former self did, rather than guilt that he himself did it
 
Watched it this morning, Not had chance to come in here and SQUEEEE yet

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So amazing. Everything i could hope for in 7 mins. Also.

War Doctor. Theres a joke to be made about the geordie accent and his name.
 
Well...

All the emotion 9 had could easily be attributed to guilt over what his former self did, rather than guilt that he himself did it

Yeah, that's an option, although that's

basically where we're already at by the end of "The Name of the Doctor."

I'm wondering if Hurt regenerates before it happens, and Eccleston simply isn't told by the other two that he's THEM, and in order to preserve this retcon (which is what it is if the spoiler bears out) he can't know that this happened.

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Linked by Ian Holm!

(he'd make a great Master)

no doubt.
 

DrForester

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Sorta surprised how many people across the internet think ALIEN-era John Hurt looks like Hobbit-era Martin Freeman.

It's the hair. Also remember that to many John hurts age is a lot of his character. His face now is defined by those wrinkles.

I am someone who didn't see Alien until only a few years ago, and it wasn't until I took a long listen to his voice that I realized it was John Hurt.
 
That's fair. He's been in a TON of genre stuff recently (V for Vendetta, Harry Potter, etc) so people are really used to old, weathered, baggy-eyed John Hurt. Or at least, the people who DO recognize him. I remember "Name of the Doctor" ending and people wondering if that meant the Doctor's actual name was John Hurt.

Plus ALIEN is one of my favorite movies of all time (top 5, definitely) so I'm pretty used to the idea of what a younger John Hurt looks like, in a way a lot of viewers probably aren't.
 
I was going to go into the 50th anniversary completely in the dark but I just saw that prequel short and it was fantastic. McGann was a great surprise.

I'm glad they didn't decide to sweep him under the proverbial TV rug.
 
The minisode was great, but all it's done is made me wish we had more tv mcgann. Does that make him canon now :p (oh and yes I know and love the BF audios as well).
 
If canon is a thing that matters to you (and it really is up to you what fictional adventures "count" or not, since none of them actually happened :)) then I'd imagine the fact he's namechecked Tamsin, Charley, & Lucie as his companions makes his Big Finish adventures "canon."
 
Funny how the Big Finish companions were mentioned but not Grace and the Asian kid (sorry, don't remember his name at the moment)?

Fox owns them. That's why they can never use them, even if they wanted to, not even a passing clip in a flashback. That's also why there's been no Big Finish adventures with them. Fox owns all the stuff from the movie that didn't already exist in Who, basically.

Oh - this was amazing, by the way. It's so sad we'll never get more McGann properly, but at least he is legitimized in a new way now!
 
About that, actually.

As was pointed out earlier in the thread - McGann made sure to qualify his comments by saying "I'm not in the 50th..." and technically, he's not. He's in the prequel mini-episode.

However, it's been proven that people will just flat out lie. Moffat has no problem doing it, and I don't think anyone else in the production does either, especially since they're really under no obligation to answer truthfully. It's not like they're under oath.

Now, this next bit is based on the spoilers that were posted earlier in the thread regarding the episode, so I guess it depends on whether or not those are true:

I know it's wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey, but how could Hurt regenerate into Eccleston at the end of the episode if, as the spoiler suggests, Hurt, Ten & Eleven negate the Time War and bring back the Time Lords? How does Eccleston (and Tennant, following him) go off and torture the shit out of himself for committing double genocide if it turns out he didn't?

Considering we know this line from the set of that scene you're talking about, quoted in a newspaper report:

"We do what we are about to do not out of fear or hatred, but because there is no other way." (Said by the Tenth as they're about to press down on the jewel together)

I think the idea of them negating the war is probably rubbish. This is probably going to be about 10 and 11 coming to terms with what they did as the 'War Doctor' by actually helping him to do it.
 
Considering we know this line from the set of that scene you're talking about, quoted in a newspaper report:

Good point. But:

Seems like a nice little swerve to throw in RIGHT after that line to cause a momentary postponement of their decision, in which they all get the lightning bolt on how to fix everything so it doesn't have to happen.

I mean - I can see Moffat writing in a moment where you think IT HAS TO HAPPEN, THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF THIS. And then...miraculously, there's a way out.

Or... maybe the spoilers are just trash :)
 
Good point. But:

Seems like a nice little swerve to throw in RIGHT after that line to cause a momentary postponement of their decision, in which they all get the lightning bolt on how to fix everything so it doesn't have to happen.

I mean - I can see Moffat writing in a moment where you think IT HAS TO HAPPEN, THERE IS NO WAY OUT OF THIS. And then...miraculously, there's a way out.

Or... maybe the spoilers are just trash :)

I think my main reason for not believing that spoiler is that
Moffat hates the Time Lords. Despises them.
 
Watched it at 12 when it was released, just watched now again.

My god, to actually see him back, brought shivers to me.

So good, so pleased he's finally got closure as his Doctor and looking forward to what this means for all the Regeneration wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff they'll hopefully show!
 

Slowdive

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So this question is interesting in the Q & A

Q: Finally, running a show like Doctor Who is always going to be hard work… But how much fun was it? Bringing back the Eighth Doctor?

SM: Oh, it was a complete treat! It was always frustrating that we never got to see more of him! The completist in me… the ‘box set man’ in me wants every box ticked and I wanted every regeneration scene! And we get to see the Paul McGann Doctor regenerate into the John Hurt Doctor! I love regeneration episodes – there’s nothing more exciting! And in the anniversary year we get to see two regenerations… That’s pretty cool!

Really hope we see Hurt to Ecclestone or atleast Hurt to a body double of him, otherwise it'll be another McGann situation.
 

The completist in me… the ‘box set man’ in me wants every box ticked and I wanted every regeneration scene! And we get to see the Paul McGann Doctor regenerate into the John Hurt Doctor! I love regeneration episodes – there’s nothing more exciting! And in the anniversary year we get to see two regenerations… That’s pretty cool!

Hmm, not 3 then?
 

Q: Finally, running a show like Doctor Who is always going to be hard work… But how much fun was it? Bringing back the Eighth Doctor?

SM: Oh, it was a complete treat! It was always frustrating that we never got to see more of him! The completist in me… the ‘box set man’ in me wants every box ticked and I wanted every regeneration scene! And we get to see the Paul McGann Doctor regenerate into the John Hurt Doctor! I love regeneration episodes – there’s nothing more exciting! And in the anniversary year we get to see two regenerations… That’s pretty cool!

Oh shit! He really wants every regeneration on film/video.

There is hope!
 

Slime

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Like I said in the other thread, that was the most satisfying piece of Doctor Who lore I've seen in ages.

All those references to The Brain of Morbius, the Big Finish audio stories, and of course Paul McGann. Got damn.

So hyped for the Day of the Doctor now!
 

Trike

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I think my main reason for not believing that spoiler is that
Moffat hates the Time Lords. Despises them.

Well... (Day of the Doctor/Christmas Special spoilers/rumors)

Apparently they want to try and fix the Time War in the 50th. But they say that they probably fail, considering that during the Christmas special the Time War is still time locked. Most people seem to be dodgy about whether or not the Time Lords come back at the end of the Christmas special, but some mention that they do come back. And so does the Master.
 

Mariolee

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Just because he mentions theres two regenerations doesn't mean there will ONLY be two regenerations. :)

Christopher Eccleston COME ON DOWN!
 

CorvoSol

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So I've been watching the series to see the episodes I never saw and stuff, just the New Who stuff, and I just finished Eccleston's run and the first Tennant episode last night.

So here are my thoughts on that: the first few episodes make it clear that the whole staff is trying very hard to find the show's footing. Things are a wee bit wonky, so to speak, and characters are not exactly set in stone. Eventually things pan out a bit better by the end of the season, though.

In terms of episodes, I'd say that the best ones were Father's Day and The Empty Child. Boom Town was going really well, but I was severely disappointed that the writers copped out and made the villain do something evil that got her killed automatically, rather than actually have the Doctor cope with sentencing an enemy to death after dining with them. The Empty Child was great, though, because it was Sci-Fi Horror and honestly those weird Sci-Fi Horror episodes are the best part of Doctor Who for me.

Nine and Rose's relationship has a lot of creepy, abusive undertones going on, not helped by the fact that Nine is a jerk and pretty racist to boot (by which I mean his constantly calling Rose things like Stupid Ape.) This is really clear during the Father's Day episode when they have an argument and she's like "you'll be back, you always come back" and all that. Really unhealthy relationship they have going on, especially since the Doctor uses the "Get in my damn TARDIS now or I am leaving you here forever" bit on her multiple times. Makes me pretty concerned that so many young women treat this relationship as the best one in the show, but then maybe it is Rose and Tennant they look at, I dunno.

I'm not a big fan of Rose. During Eccleston's run she wasn't too bad, but I really disliked how she ditches Mickey and then keeps using him every time she pops up in the present again. Mickey I'm split on because his reactions to her abuse are great, but his never ever leaving her sorry ass is hard to watch. Anyway, she was fairly tolerable until the Christmas Invasion, when she's somehow mad at the Doctor for regenerating. Dude takes a bullet for her and she's mad at him, and all throughout the episode she waivers between whining about how she can't do crap without him and how awful and normal life is without him. Girl tells Mickey "There's nothing here for me now." Except, you know, YOUR MOTHER. I don't know, I don't think Billie Piper's performance is off, I just think Rose is a poorly written character, a fairly flat love interest, and a much weaker companion than basically all of her successors, who were very proactive women.

Daleks were sick as heck. Their episodes always had an "OH DANG STUFF IS GONNA HAPPEN" feeling to them that really sells you on the fact that these trash cans are competent foes.

I enjoyed Nine. He was much more open about his jerkass side than Ten and Eleven, who are fairly cheery guys until SUDDENLY SERIOUS from what I remember. I do think his regeneration is perhaps the least dramatic of the ones I've seen, but then, with only two that's not exactly a whole lot to say.

Captain Jack was kind of meh, but then I feel that's influenced by the fact that I did watch all of Torchwood and the longer that show went the worse his character got. Harriet Jones is pretty great, though, and Rose's mom is a good comic relief.
 
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