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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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Batigol

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Only regret is that Eccelston didn't show up. Seeing Capaldi though made up for it.

Really wasn't expecting Baker either.

Probably gonna watch again :lol
 
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Wilbur

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Really liked that. Best episode in quite a while. Hurt was great, the last 10 minutes I was smiling my head off, and nothing's really been retconned. He still needs to find Gallifrey, locked away somewhere. Every doctor up until Smith hasn't changed.

But that means Hurt's 9, Eccleston's 10, Tennant is 11 and Smith is 12 right?
 
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Joqu

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Hurt was a nice Doctor! Shame we won't get more of him.

DrForester said:
Yeah, Eccleston will forever be a black mark on an otherwise great episode. Wonderful tribute the show and was quite a bit of fun.
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I think they handled his absence well enough, but I kept imagining scenes with Eccleston in them. Oh well.
 
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ramyeon

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Wilbur said:
Really liked that. Best episode in quite a while. Hurt was great, the last 10 minutes I was smiling my head off, and nothing's really been retconned. He still needs to find Gallifrey, locked away somewhere. Every doctor up until Smith hasn't changed.

But that means Hurt's 9, Eccleston's 10, Tennant is 11 and Smith is 12 right?
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No. The numbering stays the same because Hurt's Doctor still doesn't consider himself a "Doctor".
 
Lynd7

Lynd7

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I don't think it was that hard to follow. It seemed fairly straight forward and would stand alone mostly even if you missed season 7. Which is why it obviously didn't pick up where the last ep left off.
 
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xandaca

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Wasn't mad about it other than the last fifteen minutes or so. All the Zygon stuff was completely pointless and dragged horribly, though the fanwank near the end (Capaldi!) was about right. Unless I misunderstood what happened, there seemed to be a gargantuan plothole with the Time War retcon, not to mention that it ditched perhaps the most compelling thing about New Who, the Doctor's guilt and the consequences of the Time Lords being lost. Tom Baker was god tier, though.
 
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Mushroomer25

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Anybody got a gif of the Cupaldi cameo? I want a better look at the new Tardis.

Also, how exactly is the timeline organized now? Was Hurt regenerating into the first doctor?
 
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Boogiepop

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I enjoyed it, though I now find out that I guess I should've waited till the commercial break after the credits was over on BBC America, because apparently there was a Christmas episode trailer?

Also, I'll admit it's been a while since I watched it, but how exactly does this work with the End of Time? I thought the whole thing with that was that it was the time-locked Gallifrey from the end of the Time War or whatever, which... doesn't seem to fit with this?
 
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Ripclawe

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Wilbur said:
Really liked that. Best episode in quite a while. Hurt was great, the last 10 minutes I was smiling my head off, and nothing's really been retconned. He still needs to find Gallifrey, locked away somewhere. Every doctor up until Smith hasn't changed.

But that means Hurt's 9, Eccleston's 10, Tennant is 11 and Smith is 12 right?
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I think that is correct and they put everything else back in place because 9 and 10 won't remember anything which means 11 and forever on will know what they did.

John Hurt BTW was great as the grizzled old doctor putting up with the young uns
 
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CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Htown said:
Well, Capaldi would be Thirteen, and we know for a fact that he regenerates after that thanks to the Curator.
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Well the regeneration limit has always been a story element, they were never going to not write a reason out or around it when it actually comes up. I just wondered if I missed something when someone said the regeneration limit was gone, story wise as far as I am aware it is still in place.
 
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Napoleonthechimp

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Mushroomer25 said:
Anybody got a gif of the Cupaldi cameo? I want a better look at the new Tardis.

Also, how exactly is the timeline organized now? Was Hurt regenerating into the first doctor?
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jonno394

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Hurt was phenomenal. Im not a huge Doctor Who fan but out of what I have watched (most of Matthew Smith and Tennants tennure) he is definitely the best thing I have seen in it.

Extremely enjoyable.
 
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tuffy

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It's certainly the best of the multi-Doctor stories. It also did a good job of mixing up the status quo again, a bit like how "the Three Doctors" brought time and space travel back into the show after a long absence.
 
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Stuart444

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Can someone post the preview when it's up on YT or BBC website, I turned the channel to the after party forgetting about the preview :(.

Besides that FANTASTIC episode. Loved it, fanboy'd when I saw the old doctors and even more when I saw Chris and Capaldi.

Can't wait for next month now, christmas special :D.

As for Chris not being in it, didn't he meet and in the end, it just didn't work out but Chris did meet moffat to speak about it? Rather than just a "Yo Chris, wanna be in Doctor Who 50th" "No"?

Again though, great episode.
 
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Fred Norris

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In a way-even though Eccelston wouldn't show up-I wish they had just used CGI to show Hurt regenerate into 9. Just close the book on it, you know?


That being said-now that we've seen the episode, it's very clear that Hurt Doctor was always intended to just be 9.
 
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Smelly Tramp

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All these months making this one special and all they could come up with was 3 doctors in an old wooden shack standing around a red button? And the whole ancient weapon that can destroy galaxies that was just glossed over in the beginning is some straight up deus ex machina bullshit that is straight out of mass effect's book of wonderful storytelling.

The retcon but then anti-retcon was also terrible, the zygons revealing their plans was bond villain cheesey. The only good thing i can say about this, was that there was some good dialogue between the doctors, was quite funny at parts, and the 400 year old screwdriver opening that door was clever (which clara then ruined).

Here's hoping the xmas special will be a BIG improvement.
 
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Wilbur

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xandaca said:
Wasn't mad about it other than the last fifteen minutes or so. All the Zygon stuff was completely pointless and dragged horribly, though the fanwank near the end (Capaldi!) was about right. Unless I misunderstood what happened, there seemed to be a gargantuan plothole with the Time War retcon, not to mention that it ditched perhaps the most compelling thing about New Who, the Doctor's guilt and the consequences of the Time Lords being lost. Tom Baker was god tier, though.
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But you're always going to have had the guilt and the consequences in every 9/10/11 episode up until now. You haven't lost it at all.
 
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Moosichu

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Brilliant episode. Would have liked a couple more minutes of Paul McGann. Will John Hurt be in future episodes in any capacity?
 
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jj984jj

He's a pretty swell guy in my books anyway.
Wilbur said:
Really liked that. Best episode in quite a while. Hurt was great, the last 10 minutes I was smiling my head off, and nothing's really been retconned. He still needs to find Gallifrey, locked away somewhere. Every doctor up until Smith hasn't changed.

But that means Hurt's 9, Eccleston's 10, Tennant is 11 and Smith is 12 right?
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I think Moffat wanted the regeneration to count but Hurt was still The War Doctor. So the 12th will be the last even though nobody will call him the 13th.
 
Jex

Jex

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xandaca said:
Wasn't mad about it other than the last fifteen minutes or so. All the Zygon stuff was completely pointless and dragged horribly, though the fanwank near the end (Capaldi!) was about right. Unless I misunderstood what happened, there seemed to be a gargantuan plothole with the Time War retcon, not to mention that it ditched perhaps the most compelling thing about New Who, the Doctor's guilt and the consequences of the Time Lords being lost. Tom Baker was god tier, though.
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I'm, frankly, really glad that's now gone. It was becoming pretty tiresome as it had become a fixed point (no joke intended) that all the Doctors had to reference and deal with at some point. With the slate wiped clean (see how I'm trying to fit as many clichés in here as possible) they're free to create Doctors and storylines without being tied down to that plot event.

In other words, we're finally free of dark, emo, brooding Doctors. Thank god.
 
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RedShift

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xandaca said:
Wasn't mad about it other than the last fifteen minutes or so. All the Zygon stuff was completely pointless and dragged horribly, though the fanwank near the end (Capaldi!) was about right. Unless I misunderstood what happened, there seemed to be a gargantuan plothole with the Time War retcon, not to mention that it ditched perhaps the most compelling thing about New Who, the Doctor's guilt and the consequences of the Time Lords being lost. Tom Baker was god tier, though.
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They spoke about it at the end. Multi Doctor things make the younger Doctors forget everything, so the War Doctor remembers heading off into the desert with the Moment, then next thing he remembers he's Ecclestone, and the Time Lords and Daleks are all destroyed. He puts 2 and 2 together, gets 5, and carries on exactly as he did.

Or maybe he always did, maybe Gallifrey was always destroyed, and the Doctor just never knew until now.

Also I didn't quite get the implications of Tom Baker, was the point that that was a far far distant regeneration of the Doctor who decided to revisit the Baker face?
 
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evilwart

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So, the original plan was no hurt doctor and the 9th doctor playing that role? I feel if you'd make the switch, very little would change. Just no regeneration at the end.
 
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jonno394

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I had chills when all three of them were about to push the button, I thought it would be a fantastic ending but the arrival of all the doctors later on was great too.
 
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The Technomancer

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I quite enjoyed that. I liked that it didn't have the Daleks or Cybermen as the big bads and I like that it wasn't afraid to go small in scope for the "main plot". I was worried that they very nature of time and space was going to be on the line again.
 
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Napoleonthechimp

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That glimpse of Peter Capaldri as The Doctor: Exciting!

I bloody well loved this episode. In fact the only thing that let it down was Eccelston's refusal to appear. Otherwise Gallifrey's return (in non-end of time way) could spell good things for Doctor Who. Especially as it could mean a non-mopey Doctor.
 
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Fred Norris

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RedShift said:
They spoke about it at the end. Multi Doctor things make the younger Doctors forget everything, so the War Doctor remembers heading off into the desert with the Moment, then next thing he remembers he's Ecclestone, and the Time Lords and Daleks are all destroyed. He puts 2 and 2 together, gets 5, and carries on exactly as he did.

Or maybe he always did, maybe Gallifrey was always destroyed, and the Doctor just never knew until now.

Also I didn't quite get the implications of Tom Baker, was the point that that was a far far distant regeneration of the Doctor who decided to revisit the Baker face?
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Essentially, yes-but the real reason was it was just there to honor the show's legacy and pay tribute to Baker. Plus then you got to have the two best Doctors on screen together-Smith and Baker.
 
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mattx5

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so the doctor retires in the form of tom baker?

lol

those 2 seconds of Capaldi were enough to tell me he's going to be the best doctor since the reboot. those eyes. can't wait.
 
sono

sono

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That was a fantastic 50th show.

I was literally saying to my other half about 10 times I really wish they had Tom Baker in it and YES he was there.

Absolutely brilliant episode.
 
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Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
xandaca said:
Unless I misunderstood what happened, there seemed to be a gargantuan plothole with the Time War retcon, not to mention that it ditched perhaps the most compelling thing about New Who, the Doctor's guilt and the consequences of the Time Lords being lost. Tom Baker was god tier, though.
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We've had eight years of that, it's entirely fine to move on.
 
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