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Dota 2 |OT13| 6.86, our Pit Lord and savior
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I think this thread inflated his ego: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comm...ter_delighted_to_be_hosting/?ref=search_posts
manfestival
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shira
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manfestival
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James is an ***James is an ***
James is an ***James is an ***James is an ***
>Well Played!
I swear sheever has the ugliest freaking arms. Her arms disgust me to no end of the earth.
Jay Shadow
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That was a blanket. So HVAC must be doing their job right now.
Makes sense, nvm valve call off the dogs.
Sigismundo
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You can't just unrelease the hounds.
2GD RESPONDS https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/47tu4s/statement_from_james_to_valve_and_the_dota2/
16 pages! Oh man there's so much going on
16 pages! Oh man there's so much going on
So he just couldn't stop with the sex jokes, even after being told to stop on day 1.
This all sounds like it was super avoidable.
Also I flat out don't buy his "I did lots of preparation but I thought the best way to learn about the meta was to do it on camera". There are ways of explaining stuff on camera like has been done on newbie streams in the past, but 2gd just straight up like he didn't know about the game or the teams. This sounds like an excuse for his lack of preparation.
It's a bit of a shame though as I felt the whiteboard stuff actually worked pretty well as a discussion point.
This all sounds like it was super avoidable.
Also I flat out don't buy his "I did lots of preparation but I thought the best way to learn about the meta was to do it on camera". There are ways of explaining stuff on camera like has been done on newbie streams in the past, but 2gd just straight up like he didn't know about the game or the teams. This sounds like an excuse for his lack of preparation.
It's a bit of a shame though as I felt the whiteboard stuff actually worked pretty well as a discussion point.
Imp the Dimp
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What a mess
AnathemicOne
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Just read the statement and god damn.
I can't really blame James here, if IceFrog (the goddamn dude who made DotA into what it is now) gave the okay for James to be himself and only for James to get fired for it, really speaks of how far Gaben is detached from the Dota community, really sad to see. On top of that, all these TI's and Valve isn't even paying their damn casters/hosts, the fuck?
I can't really blame James here, if IceFrog (the goddamn dude who made DotA into what it is now) gave the okay for James to be himself and only for James to get fired for it, really speaks of how far Gaben is detached from the Dota community, really sad to see. On top of that, all these TI's and Valve isn't even paying their damn casters/hosts, the fuck?
Even after Bruno told him to cut it out after the first day? Meh. 2gd should have kept it clean.
It does sound like there was some history/bad blood that made things worse than they should have been, but keeping all the sex stuff is just so fucking obvious.
He also told Icefrog he would come prepared, and to him that meant coming up with 3 whiteboard sketches and deciding to not read up on the meta so others would have to explain it to him live.
Heavy's Sandvich
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absolutely.
he wants people to wear him like that disguise glasses with the funny nose thing.
time to dive into this 16 page post to see if james was right and gaben was left
my initial impression is that there was a huge disconnect within valve on how james was supposed to act--you got icefrog, bruno, "Ali," and apparently Gabe all with different expectations of how James is supposed to host so ofc we get a train wreck--all goes back to Valve's (pseudo? it's obvious Gabe has the final and most important say in things) corporate democracy i guess
the former two devs seem OK with and expected the crass and savage 2gd everyone knows and the latter two are obviously not fans
you probably got your wish, a shame in my book. the majors were a golden opportunity to just provide something a little different everytime--redeye for TI, chobra for a major, maybe sheever for one (topkek), and then the occasional yames clown fiesta--keep things fresh and a little taste of every one of those 31 flavors
my initial impression is that there was a huge disconnect within valve on how james was supposed to act--you got icefrog, bruno, "Ali," and apparently Gabe all with different expectations of how James is supposed to host so ofc we get a train wreck--all goes back to Valve's (pseudo? it's obvious Gabe has the final and most important say in things) corporate democracy i guess
the former two devs seem OK with and expected the crass and savage 2gd everyone knows and the latter two are obviously not fans
you probably got your wish, a shame in my book. the majors were a golden opportunity to just provide something a little different everytime--redeye for TI, chobra for a major, maybe sheever for one (topkek), and then the occasional yames clown fiesta--keep things fresh and a little taste of every one of those 31 flavors
Wok
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MurkyZebra2417
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Well my 2 cents from the other thread:
I think James was the only good host that Dota2 had, which says much about the current state of Dota hosting/casting. Because he is definetly an ass. Just because you are told to "be yourself" doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. What was James even thinking with these jokes? Valve wants to market Dota2 as a sports, for people 12years+ and James of all people should know this. Also you can't shit on players that much. He had "EternalEnvy" on the "negative" side of Team Secret, while a fun joke for the community it puts the players under pressure, especially people like Envy who tend to tilt.
But Valve also handled this very bad and unprofessional.
Both sides acted stupid and this whole Major is a huge mess.
What Valve should do moving forward if they want to market Dota2 big as a sport:
Hire a good host, put him under contract, pay him much and let him study Dota 8 hours a day until the next Major to get basic knowledge about the game. This is now your Host for all Events going forward. INVEST MONEY.
Fire half of the casters and only keep the good ones. INVEST IN THEM. Teach them casting on a professional level. Hire new Casters so they are ready for TI6.
So, bottom line: INVEST MONEY into your professional Dota Valve. 1 Million+ doesn't hurt you and will do wonders for the professionalism of future Dota Events. You can't keep hiring community people and somehow think they will host/cast on a pofessional/TV level.
edit: Also people taking James statement as the absolute truth now is kinda strange... there are definetly two sides to this story.
I think James was the only good host that Dota2 had, which says much about the current state of Dota hosting/casting. Because he is definetly an ass. Just because you are told to "be yourself" doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. What was James even thinking with these jokes? Valve wants to market Dota2 as a sports, for people 12years+ and James of all people should know this. Also you can't shit on players that much. He had "EternalEnvy" on the "negative" side of Team Secret, while a fun joke for the community it puts the players under pressure, especially people like Envy who tend to tilt.
But Valve also handled this very bad and unprofessional.
Both sides acted stupid and this whole Major is a huge mess.
What Valve should do moving forward if they want to market Dota2 big as a sport:
Hire a good host, put him under contract, pay him much and let him study Dota 8 hours a day until the next Major to get basic knowledge about the game. This is now your Host for all Events going forward. INVEST MONEY.
Fire half of the casters and only keep the good ones. INVEST IN THEM. Teach them casting on a professional level. Hire new Casters so they are ready for TI6.
So, bottom line: INVEST MONEY into your professional Dota Valve. 1 Million+ doesn't hurt you and will do wonders for the professionalism of future Dota Events. You can't keep hiring community people and somehow think they will host/cast on a pofessional/TV level.
edit: Also people taking James statement as the absolute truth now is kinda strange... there are definetly two sides to this story.
Gentle Rodriguez
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Drama boys
#TeamYames
#TeamYames
Monochromaticx
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valve not giving casters a payment for ti ._.
#stillTeamValve
#stillTeamValve
Imp the Dimp
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70% of James' post had nothing to do with the matter at hand. Can't say I'm convinced.
Dreams-Visions
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tbqh, that's the most suspect shit I've ever heard of.
manfestival
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Just go with the flow bro. let it be
Gentle Rodriguez
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It's absolutely disgusting and the most Valve thing I ever heard of.
totally team james right now, valve fucked up and I dont see why James would burn this bridge if those payment stories are false. Hes giving us a bigger picture of what valve was like behind the scenes. ICEFROG, repeat, ICE FUCKING FROG THE ENIGMA HIMSELF gaves james the go ahead, yet gabe fired him, through his own best friend. The power struggle here is like zeus vs. hades type of shit right now, I cant even imagine it. Gaben himself either not knowing or going against icefrogs wishes, like WUT. There has to be some fallout from this, especially about apparently if it wasnt for james no one was gonna get fucking paid at TI2.
also LOL
also LOL
but they did in the end...and continue to?
Wok
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IceDog?
I love how IceFrog writes properly capitalized sentences.
James cannot write though, neither in Skype, nor in Google Doc.
Edit: I wonder with whom he was supposed to share his room.
I'm hearing some slightly different interpretations of the signature thing that make it sound like it perhaps wasn't QUITE as bad as 2gd makes out (a per diem amount plus a percentage of signature sales), but still pretty strange. Feelings seem to be more that Valve was stupid/misguided than trying to be evil or anything. idk.
Still, I can't imagine they tried to pull that stunt with Kaci, and if they wouldn't do it to her, why would they do it to anyone else?
Heavy's Sandvich
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what does Valve have to do for people to question them/hold them to account?
tsunami643
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Yeaaaah, I wanted to hear his justification for the segment right before he was fired where he supposedly didn't respond to the director to go to a break. You really can't make an executive decision and hold a broadcast hostage like that, especially if he's already on thin ice. Being off-color is one thing, but hijacking production is another.
Bruno, of course. It was clearly going to be a bromantic reunion surprise but James ruined it.
steam mods, diretide, and this fiasco
People criticize them and hold them accountable all the time but in the end like ppd said, they are the all powerful overlords when it comes to their respective games. Doesn't stop a massive wave of public outcry and some bad press when people are unhappy though.
Hm. I can't help but feel like James is diverting blame from himself in the "nicest" way possible. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the whole thing.
That said, the paid in signatures thing, if structured the way James said sounds awful.
Also hey tsunami wanna play in my SFV tourney
That said, the paid in signatures thing, if structured the way James said sounds awful.
Also hey tsunami wanna play in my SFV tourney
He hardly 'hijacked' it. It's not like he's Jimmy Kimmel and refused to let an ad break happen. The stream already felt amateur as fuck to viewers. If Valve want people to feel like they want Dota to be considered a proper ESport maybe they should make sure the production companies they hire can actually produce a show.
Dota is watched by millions of people and is clearly one of Valves most important properties next to CSGO
While I think it was a dick move to fire James IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, I can respect their decision to want to keep their premier tournament family friendly and professional
Not everyone who watches the game is a 25 year old meme loving Redditor, so only catering to that demographic is very short sighted from Valves side
Hopefully this while shitstorm has shown them that they need to be more hands on and careful with their choices.
While I think it was a dick move to fire James IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, I can respect their decision to want to keep their premier tournament family friendly and professional
Not everyone who watches the game is a 25 year old meme loving Redditor, so only catering to that demographic is very short sighted from Valves side
Hopefully this while shitstorm has shown them that they need to be more hands on and careful with their choices.
WTF did I just read? Why did he start talking about his Kickstarter for a Quake-like game?
Honestly after reading it, I still feel like Valve did the right thing here.
That said, if the bits about only being paid for the signatures and not being paid for a lot of things is true, then that is extremely fucked.
A lot of the statement came off as incoherent ramblings.
Honestly after reading it, I still feel like Valve did the right thing here.
That said, if the bits about only being paid for the signatures and not being paid for a lot of things is true, then that is extremely fucked.
A lot of the statement came off as incoherent ramblings.
tsunami643
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Obviously production should take the majority of the blame but we don't really know the surrounding circumstances. Maybe they needed to restart the stream to diagnose the pause issue or give new details to panelists who didn't have earpieces or maybe they were just being incompetent and wanted to stop working for a bit.
I didn't watch the VoD but apparently 2GD flippantly said that he understood the director the whole time after his battery was replaced which just sounds like throwing fuel onto the fire. With a language barrier already being an issue, I find it difficult to justify James's action there.
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